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Post by heeeeey on Oct 8, 2019 13:27:19 GMT
Lately, though, I think it is more likely that someday science will discover that when breaking down atomic particles into smaller and smaller units, what these units will finally break down to is a form of pure energy, which has no particles. There is literally no such thing as energy not carried by a particle. gadreel , fatpaul , FilmFlaneur, Eva Yojimbo, @lowjacktack86 Rather than reply to every post one by one, I'll just ask all of you at the same time: Why do you think you should know everything God knows? You are the size of a dust particle by comparison. If anyone can create a material world out of consciousness, it's God. I suspect 'waves into particles' might have something to do with it though.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 8, 2019 13:30:25 GMT
There is literally no such thing as energy not carried by a particle. gadreel , fatpaul , @lowtack Rather than reply to every post one by one, I'll just ask all of you at the same time: Why do you think you should know everything God knows? You are the size of a dust particle by comparison. If anyone can create a material world out of consciousness, it's God. I suspect 'waves into particles' might have something to do with it though. "Why do you think you should know everything God knows?" As a nonbeliever, that's just a loaded question. That would be like me asking you "Why do you think you should know everything Zeus knows?". That's just silly. Now if you were to reframe it as "Why do you think you should know all the mysteries of the universe?", well short answer much of the information could be useful for curing diseases, increasing life span, ending world starvation, combating global warming, improving technology, etc.
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Post by heeeeey on Oct 8, 2019 13:33:13 GMT
gadreel , fatpaul , @lowtack Rather than reply to every post one by one, I'll just ask all of you at the same time: Why do you think you should know everything God knows? You are the size of a dust particle by comparison. If anyone can create a material world out of consciousness, it's God. I suspect 'waves into particles' might have something to do with it though. "Why do you think you should know everything God knows?" As a nonbeliever, that's just a loaded question. That would be like me asking you "Why do you think you should know everything Zeus knows?". That's just silly. My position is more based on reality though. It's silly to believe that we know all that there is to know, when it's more than likely we don't.
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Post by The Lost One on Oct 8, 2019 13:49:11 GMT
"Why do you think you should know everything God knows?" As a nonbeliever, that's just a loaded question. That would be like me asking you "Why do you think you should know everything Zeus knows?". That's just silly. My position is more based on reality though. It's silly to believe that we know all that there is to know, when it's more than likely we don't. But aren't you claiming knowledge? You seem pretty certain in your opening post.
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Post by heeeeey on Oct 8, 2019 14:13:52 GMT
My position is more based on reality though. It's silly to believe that we know all that there is to know, when it's more than likely we don't. But aren't you claiming knowledge? You seem pretty certain in your opening post. Yes, but I'm not claiming to know everything like Faustus. Even though I know consciousness creates the material world and exists apart from it, I'm not claiming to know exactly how it forms materiality.
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Post by faustus5 on Oct 8, 2019 14:43:20 GMT
But aren't you claiming knowledge? You seem pretty certain in your opening post. Yes, but I'm not claiming to know everything like Faustus. Knowing more than you, which doesn't take much, is not the same thing as claiming to know everything. This completely unjustified certainty is what The Lost One is referring to when saying that you claim knowledge.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Oct 8, 2019 14:55:11 GMT
There is literally no such thing as energy not carried by a particle. Why do you think you should know everything God knows? You are the size of a dust particle by comparison. I suspect 'waves into particles' might have something to do with it though. Taking "God" in the metaphoric "hypothetical omniscient being" sense, I don't think I should know everything God knows, nor did I suggest I did. If anything, I suggested the opposite, that we should be skeptical of claims that fall outside the purview of our senses, precisely because that limits our ability to make shit up. Wave-Particle duality isn't magic and has nothing to do with creating anything.
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Post by The Lost One on Oct 8, 2019 15:35:37 GMT
Even though I know consciousness creates the material world and exists apart from it But how do you know this?
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Post by heeeeey on Oct 8, 2019 16:46:46 GMT
Even though I know consciousness creates the material world and exists apart from it But how do you know this? There are things you can only know by experiencing it yourself. Science is lacking and limited, so it can't prove everything. They don't know how the mind works. They don't know how the imagination works or even what it is.
They talk about 'God of the gaps', yet they use that themselves with their 'brain of the gaps' and use that to explain every phenomena that they can't explain.
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Post by faustus5 on Oct 8, 2019 17:29:33 GMT
There are things you can only know by experiencing it yourself. You've never once in your life experienced one damn thing that indicates that consciousness creates matter. YOU don't know how the mind works, Petunia, because you are an uneducated loon. The scientific community, on the other hand, knows quite a lot about how the mind works and how even imagination works. You have just never bothered to study the subject. You won't be able to cite a single scientist saying any such thing in their own words, since you just pulled all of this out of your ass.
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Post by Catman on Oct 8, 2019 17:58:25 GMT
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Oct 8, 2019 18:37:51 GMT
But how do you know this? There are things you can only know by experiencing it yourself.
You have created matter by just using your brain power?
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Post by Catman on Oct 8, 2019 18:40:12 GMT
There are things you can only know by experiencing it yourself.
You have created matter by just using your brain power? If Catman had known this was possible, just think of all the money he could have saved by doing that instead of buying all those cat treats!
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Post by gadreel on Oct 8, 2019 19:40:17 GMT
There is literally no such thing as energy not carried by a particle. gadreel , fatpaul , FilmFlaneur , Eva Yojimbo , @lowjacktack86 Rather than reply to every post one by one, I'll just ask all of you at the same time: Why do you think you should know everything God knows? You are the size of a dust particle by comparison. If anyone can create a material world out of consciousness, it's God. I suspect 'waves into particles' might have something to do with it though. Why are you not able to help me see what you think is wrong with my reasoning, I outlined what I thought you were trying to say, what did I get wrong?
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 8, 2019 21:03:06 GMT
You have created matter by just using your brain power? Only thing that might possibly be created by that particular method would be microscopic dust bunnies under her bed !
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Post by goz on Oct 8, 2019 21:12:31 GMT
How is that absurd? It's one thing to say: "there are probably things that exist that we can't sense." That's actually true as we've developed devices that can measure things (sights, sounds, etc.) outside of our perceptual range; for example, there are frequencies higher than 20kHz that we can't hear, but dogs can. But it's another thing entirely to say: "THIS thing that we can't sense exists." When you say that, what evidence are you relying on? In the case with higher frequencies, we can measure them, and thus see them on measurement devices. People rely on the testimony of others much of the time. It can be efficient. Do you deny you have? ^ ^ ...yet YOU don't when it comes to science and medicine!
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Post by goz on Oct 8, 2019 21:32:01 GMT
There is literally no such thing as energy not carried by a particle. gadreel , fatpaul , FilmFlaneur , Eva Yojimbo , @lowjacktack86 Rather than reply to every post one by one, I'll just ask all of you at the same time: Why do you think you should know everything God knows? You are the size of a dust particle by comparison. If anyone can create a material world out of consciousness, it's God. I suspect 'waves into particles' might have something to do with it though. I have thus far avoided this repetitious stupid thread, however, just a few comments on this particularly stupid post: Another example of you thinking you know what other people think, as well as everything you think people DON'T think. Tres amusant! Simple answer to a stupid question. To know what God does or doesn't think, there would have to be a God and especially one who 'thinks'. DUH! Since there is zero evidence of either phenomenon, you are wasting yours and everyone else's time with this stupidity. Once again you are taking great liberties with logic here and an even greater presumption of the size of 'God' relative to humans. You know this how? Oh really? and how would 'he' do that? In other words what is the mechanism even for God to create a material world out of consciousness. Whose consciousness and where did it come from? BTW It is noted that you have lately been claiming that you are not religious, yet clearly here in this thread you have a belief in God, so that is an inconsistent bullshit claim. You can believe what you like, however claiming all this shit about God and saying you are not religions, is lying ( what else is new for you?) Belief in God = religious by definition. WTF is a 'wave particle', and how does it get from being one thing to another?
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 8, 2019 21:33:28 GMT
People rely on the testimony of others much of the time. It can be efficient. Do you deny you have? First hand accounts (anecdotal evidence) are ok for criminal investigations (if that's what you're referring to) but things like DNA and fingerprints evidence (scientific/objective data) are far preferable as witnesses are often prone to making mistakes (or even flat out lying). But even then that isn't really comparable to first accounts of the supernatural, we know people get murdered/robbed/etc (there's plenty of video footage of that ), it's been known to happen so there's actual plausibility on murder and robbery claims, there's no solid concrete evidence for the supernatural/metaphysical/etc so the plausibility of such claims is no where no near comparable. It's why "I saw that person get murdered" is far more believable than "I saw that person vanish into thin air". One is far more plausible than the other. Your thoughts on Hindu philosophy?
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Post by heeeeey on Oct 8, 2019 21:38:18 GMT
gadreel , fatpaul , FilmFlaneur , Eva Yojimbo , @lowjacktack86 Rather than reply to every post one by one, I'll just ask all of you at the same time: Why do you think you should know everything God knows? You are the size of a dust particle by comparison. If anyone can create a material world out of consciousness, it's God. I suspect 'waves into particles' might have something to do with it though. I have thus far avoided this repetitious stupid thread, however, just a few comments on this particularly stupid post: Another example of you thinking you know what other people think, as well as everything you think people DON'T think. Tres amusant! Simple answer to a stupid question. To know what God does or doesn't think, there would have to be a God and especially one who 'thinks'. DUH! Since there is zero evidence of either phenomenon, you are wasting yours and everyone else's time with this stupidity. Once again you are taking great liberties with logic here and an even greater presumption of the size of 'God' relative to humans. You know this how? Oh really? and how would 'he' do that? In other words what is the mechanism even for God to create a material world out of consciousness. Whose consciousness and where did it come from? WTF is a 'wave particle'? I know your concept of God is limited, so I'll just say again, how do you know there is no intelligent creator? And why do think I or anyone should know how that intelligent creator created the material world?
Just because science hasn't yet discovered that 'mechanism' you referred to doesn't mean it doesn't exist and that an intelligent creator wouldn't know how to use it. If you think humanity is the most intelligent species in the entire cosmos, I would argue that a most intelligent species wouldn't be destroying its own planet.
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 8, 2019 21:40:23 GMT
Thanks for that. Oh, here we go. It's not like you get it right all the time, is it?
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