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Post by Admin on May 11, 2023 7:00:21 GMT
It's highly improbable, but not impossible, even scientifically. In fact, this article states: I don't know how the math breaks down, but an estimated 120 billion people have been born on this planet. Here's vice.com: A 1 in 120 billion chance is indeed a long shot. Maybe that's why Jesus is said to be the only one. Do you suppose the odds are better that Mary got stabbed after blowing some dude? Either way, it's not impossible. js.
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Post by The Lost One on May 11, 2023 9:55:09 GMT
It's highly improbable, but not impossible, even scientifically. In fact, this article states: I don't know how the math breaks down, but an estimated 120 billion people have been born on this planet. Here's vice.com: A 1 in 120 billion chance is indeed a long shot. Maybe that's why Jesus is said to be the only one. Do you suppose the odds are better that Mary got stabbed after blowing some dude? Either way, it's not impossible. js. I don't really get why Christians would be interested in showing a virgin pregnancy is scientifically possible. Surely the whole point is that it's a miracle?
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Post by Arlon10 on May 11, 2023 9:57:18 GMT
It's highly improbable, but not impossible, even scientifically. In fact, this article states: I don't know how the math breaks down, but an estimated 120 billion people have been born on this planet. Here's vice.com: A 1 in 120 billion chance is indeed a long shot. Maybe that's why Jesus is said to be the only one. Do you suppose the odds are better that Mary got stabbed after blowing some dude? Either way, it's not impossible. js.
An important thing to remember about "science" is that it is often not possible to conduct it on human populations. With cockroaches or perhaps mice it is possible to "control" (an important scientific term) every detail of their lives in order to measure the effects of a single adjustment. That is known as "science ceteris paribus." Rather obviously that is not possible with human populations. It is illegal to experiment on prisoners for example. More than the numerous factors beyond the control of researchers is the fact that they often have to depend on reports from the subjects. Some people complain they are sick when are not, and some people claim they are not sick when they are. The truth of the matter can be rather expensive or in some cases impossible to find. A current problem especially in the United States today is that people who really have no business discussing science believe medicine is science. Of course medical professionals use science as far as possible, but they understand the limits of science, the masses do not. What medical professionals (and journalists) often use where science fails is "statistical analysis." The masses think of it as "science" but it is just a matter of more or less educated guesses, usually less. It does have standards and methods of some modicum of dependability though. A bad habit of too many people is accepting numbers without a clear idea how that number was found or in the case of statistical analysis how it was estimated. How for example would a chance of "one in a billion" be found or estimated? First of all you need a billion data points. Then you need dependable reports that show one example of the event in question. There of course is the dilemma. The reports do not have the precision necessary to obtain any "one in a billion" number. As is often the case with internet sources of "science" there is colluding on results in order to create the impression of higher precision than is realistically possible. Those people believe they can get away with it because they never learned the standards and methods of the discipline (if not science ceteris paribus) of statistical analysis.
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Post by Arlon10 on May 11, 2023 10:06:31 GMT
It's highly improbable, but not impossible, even scientifically. In fact, this article states: I don't know how the math breaks down, but an estimated 120 billion people have been born on this planet. Here's vice.com: A 1 in 120 billion chance is indeed a long shot. Maybe that's why Jesus is said to be the only one. Do you suppose the odds are better that Mary got stabbed after blowing some dude? Either way, it's not impossible. js. I don't really get why Christians would be interested in showing a virgin pregnancy is scientifically possible. Surely the whole point is that it's a miracle?
When people discuss the probability of human virgin birth they generally do not admit having either a Christian or non-Christian bias. Some people are more honest.
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Post by Admin on May 11, 2023 10:43:09 GMT
It's highly improbable, but not impossible, even scientifically. In fact, this article states: I don't know how the math breaks down, but an estimated 120 billion people have been born on this planet. Here's vice.com: A 1 in 120 billion chance is indeed a long shot. Maybe that's why Jesus is said to be the only one. Do you suppose the odds are better that Mary got stabbed after blowing some dude? Either way, it's not impossible. js. I don't really get why Christians would be interested in showing a virgin pregnancy is scientifically possible. Surely the whole point is that it's a miracle? Indeed, most Christians do believe it to be divine, but I was addressing the statement that it is "scientifically impossible."
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Post by The Lost One on May 11, 2023 10:43:18 GMT
I don't really get why Christians would be interested in showing a virgin pregnancy is scientifically possible. Surely the whole point is that it's a miracle?
When people discuss the probability of human virgin birth they generally do not admit having either a Christian or non-Christian bias. Some people are more honest.
Just seems weird to me. The debate is as to whether God miraculously caused a virgin to be pregnant, not about whether a virgin could become pregnant by non-miraculous means.
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Post by monicah on May 11, 2023 13:40:39 GMT
It's highly improbable, but not impossible, even scientifically. In fact, this article states: I don't know how the math breaks down, but an estimated 120 billion people have been born on this planet. Here's vice.com: A 1 in 120 billion chance is indeed a long shot. Maybe that's why Jesus is said to be the only one. Do you suppose the odds are better that Mary got stabbed after blowing some dude? Either way, it's not impossible. js. Show if possible do you think it might have happened more than once?
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Post by monicah on May 11, 2023 13:43:27 GMT
It's highly improbable, but not impossible, even scientifically. In fact, this article states: I don't know how the math breaks down, but an estimated 120 billion people have been born on this planet. Here's vice.com: A 1 in 120 billion chance is indeed a long shot. Maybe that's why Jesus is said to be the only one. Do you suppose the odds are better that Mary got stabbed after blowing some dude? Either way, it's not impossible. js. I don't really get why Christians would be interested in showing a virgin pregnancy is scientifically possible. Surely the whole point is that it's a miracle? I just think if it’s happened before it’s very likely it has happened in other times in history too. It weird to think something only happens one time to one person
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Post by The Lost One on May 11, 2023 14:39:09 GMT
I don't really get why Christians would be interested in showing a virgin pregnancy is scientifically possible. Surely the whole point is that it's a miracle? I just think if it’s happened before it’s very likely it has happened in other times in history too. It weird to think something only happens one time to one person But isn't the idea that Jesus isn't like any other person?
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Post by Admin on May 11, 2023 22:05:45 GMT
It's highly improbable, but not impossible, even scientifically. In fact, this article states: I don't know how the math breaks down, but an estimated 120 billion people have been born on this planet. Here's vice.com: A 1 in 120 billion chance is indeed a long shot. Maybe that's why Jesus is said to be the only one. Do you suppose the odds are better that Mary got stabbed after blowing some dude? Either way, it's not impossible. js. Show if possible do you think it might have happened more than once? I suppose it's not impossible, but even less likely than 1.
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Post by monicah on May 12, 2023 16:06:10 GMT
I just think if it’s happened before it’s very likely it has happened in other times in history too. It weird to think something only happens one time to one person But isn't the idea that Jesus isn't like any other person? The idea, yes.
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Post by monicah on May 12, 2023 16:06:51 GMT
Show if possible do you think it might have happened more than once? I suppose it's not impossible, but even less likely than 1. Less likely how?
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Post by Admin on May 12, 2023 20:39:19 GMT
I suppose it's not impossible, but even less likely than 1. Less likely how? If there's a one in a billion chance for something to happen, the odds of it happening twice are one in quintillion.
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Post by monicah on May 13, 2023 6:26:37 GMT
If there's a one in a billion chance for something to happen, the odds of it happening twice are one in quintillion. It’s also extremely likely to have never happened at all 🤷♀️
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Post by Admin on May 13, 2023 6:37:51 GMT
If there's a one in a billion chance for something to happen, the odds of it happening twice are one in quintillion. It’s also extremely likely to have never happened at all 🤷♀️ Indeed. But it's also not scientifically impossible.
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Post by monicah on May 13, 2023 6:39:37 GMT
It’s also extremely likely to have never happened at all 🤷♀️ Indeed. But it's also not scientifically impossible. I guess it remains a mystery lol 😂
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Post by Admin on May 13, 2023 6:57:10 GMT
Indeed. But it's also not scientifically impossible. I guess it remains a mystery lol 😂 I rectum sore.
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Post by amyghost on May 13, 2023 11:57:03 GMT
It certainly wouldn't be from you .
How many Socratic gadflies did you have for lunch today?
The value-sized, with honey Dijon mustard. Yum.
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Post by amyghost on May 13, 2023 12:01:26 GMT
Unfortunately, there is. But as you continue to back up that assertion with only links to religiously--specifically RCC--backed sources, and shy away from non-affiliated (or even non-Catholic) independent scholarly research on the topic, you continue to provide the same response. As I'm not moved by RCC agenda-driven arguments on this issue, the argument becomes circular and goes absolutely nowhere. No there isn't, amyghost . Nowhere does the Gospels mention Our Lady having anymore children after the Christ. The words "brother" and/or "sister" is used in more than simply children of the same parents, in the Bible.This is tenuous, debated by a number of scholars, and not proven contextually in the scriptural passages cited. And even if one accepts the ambiguous multi-meanings, that does not 'prove' Mary had no other biological children than Jesus. It makes it a linguistic/translational quibble and nothing more. It is a pet theory of the RCC, put forward for obvious reasons, and the RCC choice of interpretation simply isn't any more valid than another, except for the biased.
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Post by monicah on May 13, 2023 13:32:49 GMT
I guess it remains a mystery lol 😂 I rectum sore. ? 😂
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