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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 28, 2024 20:20:30 GMT
formersamhmd - Kelly Sue DeConnick is a better writer than Chris Claremont, Kurt Busiek, Brian Michael Bendis, and Brian Reed?
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 29, 2024 0:26:56 GMT
formersamhmd - Kelly Sue DeConnick is a better writer than Chris Claremont, Kurt Busiek, Brian Michael Bendis, and Brian Reed? They were the ones who had control of Carol for 30 years and did nothing but make her a punching bag character, so even if she's not a better writer she certainly gave more of a darn about Carol than any of them ever did. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 29, 2024 3:45:18 GMT
formersamhmd - Kelly Sue DeConnick is a better writer than Chris Claremont, Kurt Busiek, Brian Michael Bendis, and Brian Reed? They were the ones who had control of Carol for 30 years and did nothing but make her a punching bag character, so even if she's not a better writer she certainly gave more of a darn about Carol than any of them ever did. Technically, Marvel had (and still has) control over the character, writers have to submit their story and get approval first before the artist illustrates it, they approve the artwork, and finally publish it. So technically speaking, your comment should be more directed at the executives instead. |
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Post by pennypacker on Mar 30, 2024 18:35:59 GMT
There is a lot we won’t be getting, and maybe even completed products which may get Batgirled. Just my guess. Disney really screwed up, well and truly. The MCU brand is in the toilet. They do not want any more embarrassing, costly flops. I love how fickle you are, they have one failure which quickly got vindicated on streaming meaning it was external factors that caused the theatrical failure and you're all "it's in the toilet!" Was it really vindicated though? 🤨 |
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 4, 2024 12:11:39 GMT
They were the ones who had control of Carol for 30 years and did nothing but make her a punching bag character, so even if she's not a better writer she certainly gave more of a darn about Carol than any of them ever did. Technically, Marvel had (and still has) control over the character, writers have to submit their story and get approval first before the artist illustrates it, they approve the artwork, and finally publish it. So technically speaking, your comment should be more directed at the executives instead. The editors and such are also to blame, but the lame writing didn't help.
Honestly, are you saying you were fine with Avengers 200?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 4, 2024 20:59:52 GMT
Technically, Marvel had (and still has) control over the character, writers have to submit their story and get approval first before the artist illustrates it, they approve the artwork, and finally publish it. So technically speaking, your comment should be more directed at the executives instead. The editors and such are also to blame, but the lame writing didn't help.
Honestly, are you saying you were fine with Avengers 200?
What suggests that I was? My point was that writers submit their scripts to their superiors for approval, unless the writer or artist is at the very top of the ladder, they don't submit their draft and declare it as the final one. However, this comes across as troll bait, which you have also done before in this topic. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 9, 2024 12:40:19 GMT
I think that's a bit of a stretch. At best you could say it's similar to rape in that it was invasive and traumatic, but it was also dissimilar in that there was nothing sexual to it. The comics also did not make out it was like rape or that Carol considered herself raped by Rogue. It was a big story in Carol's past with her losing her powers and much of her personality and having to rebuild herself physically and mentally and emerge stronger from it, and I think it's that aspect fans want to see in a movie, rather than wanting some sort of perverted enjoyment from her suffering. Of course the comics never pointed out how invasive and deeply violating it was, because then it would be impossible to see Rogue as a heroic character. Doesn't change what it was.
What Rogue did to Carol was the beginning of 30 years of terrible writing that made Carol a punching bag by incompetent writers until she was revived as Captain Marvel in 2012. The only reason fans want to see it is because they want Rogue to get powers and to see Carol destroyed forever and to never return, that's all there is to it.
Nope. She was great as Warbird. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 9, 2024 12:42:26 GMT
There is a lot we won’t be getting, and maybe even completed products which may get Batgirled. Just my guess. Disney really screwed up, well and truly. The MCU brand is in the toilet. They do not want any more embarrassing, costly flops. I love how fickle you are, they have one failure which quickly got vindicated on streaming meaning it was external factors that caused the theatrical failure and you're all "it's in the toilet!" 😂 |
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 15, 2024 20:16:18 GMT
Of course the comics never pointed out how invasive and deeply violating it was, because then it would be impossible to see Rogue as a heroic character. Doesn't change what it was.
What Rogue did to Carol was the beginning of 30 years of terrible writing that made Carol a punching bag by incompetent writers until she was revived as Captain Marvel in 2012. The only reason fans want to see it is because they want Rogue to get powers and to see Carol destroyed forever and to never return, that's all there is to it.
Nope. She was great as Warbird. Not really, all Kurt Busiek could do with her was make her an alcoholic.
It never occurred to any writer to try and do something about Carol getting back the mental essence Rogue stole from her, especially after Rogue lost the Ms Marvel powers in the first place
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 15, 2024 20:16:49 GMT
I love how fickle you are, they have one failure which quickly got vindicated on streaming meaning it was external factors that caused the theatrical failure and you're all "it's in the toilet!" 😂 It is, The Marvels was the only financial failure and even that recouped itself on streaming |
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 15, 2024 20:17:18 GMT
The editors and such are also to blame, but the lame writing didn't help.
Honestly, are you saying you were fine with Avengers 200?
What suggests that I was? My point was that writers submit their scripts to their superiors for approval, unless the writer or artist is at the very top of the ladder, they don't submit their draft and declare it as the final one. However, this comes across as troll bait, which you have also done before in this topic. Well fine then, Jim Shooter is to blame for the beginning of Carols' awful 30 years. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 16, 2024 4:20:59 GMT
What suggests that I was? My point was that writers submit their scripts to their superiors for approval, unless the writer or artist is at the very top of the ladder, they don't submit their draft and declare it as the final one. However, this comes across as troll bait, which you have also done before in this topic. Well fine then, Jim Shooter is to blame for the beginning of Carols' awful 30 years. Do you also blame Tom DeFalco, Bob Harras, also? Thoughts on Joe Quesada, who was editor-in-chief from 2000 to 2011 when the character was reworked to your liking? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 16, 2024 12:37:27 GMT
Well fine then, Jim Shooter is to blame for the beginning of Carols' awful 30 years. Do you also blame Tom DeFalco, Bob Harras, also? Thoughts on Joe Quesada, who was editor-in-chief from 2000 to 2011 when the character was reworked to your liking? Bob Harras was a real buffoon with his constant meddling, he was the one who demanded that Magneto be made into a madman again and ruined a decade of hard work and he was the one who forced the extended Clone Saga and ruined the perfectly good solution that it was Harry Osborn behind it all. So yes, no love for him.
Tom DeFalco, I have more affection for.
Joe Queseda I was fine with until One More Day, which made him a write-off.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 17, 2024 0:02:38 GMT
Do you also blame Tom DeFalco, Bob Harras, also? Thoughts on Joe Quesada, who was editor-in-chief from 2000 to 2011 when the character was reworked to your liking? Bob Harras was a real buffoon with his constant meddling, he was the one who demanded that Magneto be made into a madman again and ruined a decade of hard work and he was the one who forced the extended Clone Saga and ruined the perfectly good solution that it was Harry Osborn behind it all. So yes, no love for him.
Tom DeFalco, I have more affection for.
Joe Queseda I was fine with until One More Day, which made him a write-off.
So, you blame Bob Harras as well for the mishandling of Carol Danvers? From your response regarding DeFalco, did he approve of anything in regard to Danvers that you liked? What about Quesada being who approved Kelly Sue DeConnick's new take on the character? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 19, 2024 3:07:15 GMT
Bob Harras was a real buffoon with his constant meddling, he was the one who demanded that Magneto be made into a madman again and ruined a decade of hard work and he was the one who forced the extended Clone Saga and ruined the perfectly good solution that it was Harry Osborn behind it all. So yes, no love for him.
Tom DeFalco, I have more affection for.
Joe Queseda I was fine with until One More Day, which made him a write-off.
So, you blame Bob Harras as well for the mishandling of Carol Danvers? From your response regarding DeFalco, did he approve of anything in regard to Danvers that you liked? What about Quesada being who approved Kelly Sue DeConnick's new take on the character? I blame Bob Harras for the cesspool that 90s X-Men became, I blame him for the stupidity of the 90s Clone Saga and most of the other nonsense Spider-Man was inflicted with in the 90s like Norman Osborn coming back, and if he was part of Carols' 30 years of darkness then that's just another thing to blame him for. Man may have been a good writer on some stuff but that sure doesn't mean was a good creative head.
I'd need to know more about what DeFalco did in association with things I disliked.
Queseda was key in making the Avengers a proper A-Lister team in the mid 2000s and he did do a successful shake up of the X Books with Decimation which led to things like Utopia but....he was a Perlmutter yes-man and did One More Day. So I count his successes as more of a "A Broken Clock is right two times a day" thing.
Don't ask me about that buffoon Jeph Loeb...
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 19, 2024 22:08:30 GMT
So, you blame Bob Harras as well for the mishandling of Carol Danvers? From your response regarding DeFalco, did he approve of anything in regard to Danvers that you liked? What about Quesada being who approved Kelly Sue DeConnick's new take on the character? I blame Bob Harras for the cesspool that 90s X-Men became, I blame him for the stupidity of the 90s Clone Saga and most of the other nonsense Spider-Man was inflicted with in the 90s like Norman Osborn coming back, and if he was part of Carols' 30 years of darkness then that's just another thing to blame him for. Man may have been a good writer on some stuff but that sure doesn't mean was a good creative head.
I'd need to know more about what DeFalco did in association with things I disliked.
Queseda was key in making the Avengers a proper A-Lister team in the mid 2000s and he did do a successful shake up of the X Books with Decimation which led to things like Utopia but....he was a Perlmutter yes-man and did One More Day. So I count his successes as more of a "A Broken Clock is right two times a day" thing.
Don't ask me about that buffoon Jeph Loeb... Well, you *are* on the internet, so you can find out what DeFalco had done in his time as editor-in-chief at the company. Curious, but may I ask your opinions concerning Stan Lee, Roy Thomas, Gerry Conway, Len Wein, Archie Goodwin, Marv Wolfman, Axel Alonso, and their time as editor-in-chief of Marvel? Opinions on how C.B. Cebulski is handling things currently? Jeph Loeb has never been an editor-in-chief at Marvel. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 20, 2024 1:19:30 GMT
I blame Bob Harras for the cesspool that 90s X-Men became, I blame him for the stupidity of the 90s Clone Saga and most of the other nonsense Spider-Man was inflicted with in the 90s like Norman Osborn coming back, and if he was part of Carols' 30 years of darkness then that's just another thing to blame him for. Man may have been a good writer on some stuff but that sure doesn't mean was a good creative head.
I'd need to know more about what DeFalco did in association with things I disliked.
Queseda was key in making the Avengers a proper A-Lister team in the mid 2000s and he did do a successful shake up of the X Books with Decimation which led to things like Utopia but....he was a Perlmutter yes-man and did One More Day. So I count his successes as more of a "A Broken Clock is right two times a day" thing.
Don't ask me about that buffoon Jeph Loeb... Well, you *are* on the internet, so you can find out what DeFalco had done in his time as editor-in-chief at the company. Curious, but may I ask your opinions concerning Stan Lee, Roy Thomas, Gerry Conway, Len Wein, Archie Goodwin, Marv Wolfman, Axel Alonso, and their time as editor-in-chief of Marvel? Opinions on how C.B. Cebulski is handling things currently? Jeph Loeb has never been an editor-in-chief at Marvel. Hmmm, I'd need to do more research on the exact things Thomas, Conway, Wein, Goodwin, Wolfman and those others did. Really, the ones I'm more pissed at are the ones in charge during the 90s Dark Ages |
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