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Post by merh on May 1, 2018 0:07:58 GMT
It is pretty amazing how Fox was never able to realize the potential of the X-men. It would look even worse if Ryan Reynolds hadn't made Deadpool for them. Fox actually started out with a known franchise that was the top selling comic post 1980 while Marvel had to build up B list characters into the MCU. Marvel then proceeded to lap Fox.  $ =/= quality. Plus, paid critics and artificial boosters invalidate any direct comparisons anyway. Because they did so well with Deadpool mach 1, didnt they? Merc with a mouth couldn't talk. Dude, if they were doing it right, the sales would be similar or more Adjusted for inflation Thor-$206,246,700 Captain America: The First Avenger -$204,271,500 Ant-Man -$200,382,200 The Incredible Hulk -$172,357,600 -origin movies for characters few knew or cared about outside fanboys. (Ok Hulk had a tv show in the 1970s)- Come in ahead of X-Men: First Class- $166,937,000 X-Men: Apocalypse- $163,532,300 The Wolverine-$155,104,400 Thor: The Dark World-$227,121,100, a movie usually rated the worst of the MCU titles-beats X-Men Origins: Wolverine-$221,357,500. The Most Popular X-Man second to a character non comicbook fans were not aware of prior to the MCU movies. A character deep in the Marvel roster beat the movie you all rave about- Doctor Strange-$242,945,100 Logan -$234,717,000 Again, the MOST POPULAR CHARACTER ridden into the ground by Fox. Infinity War beat him in 3 days. No one was supposed to care Captain America, a dated WWII propoganda character to many modern minds but Captain America: The Winter Soldier -$286,373,800 X-Men $267,905,600 X-Men: Days of Future Past-$258,260,900 The best grossing title Fox has- Deadpool-$388,249,600 Comes in behind- Marvel's The Avengers- $705,769,500 Black Panther -$688,009,500 Avengers: Age of Ultron $491,377,100 Iron Man 3-$448,436,600 Captain America: Civil War-$429,213,000 Iron Man -$407,095,000 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 -$399,848,900 The anti MCU crowd likes to say Disney has ruined Marvel. It seems more like Fox is the one that doesn't get the characters |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 1, 2018 1:38:13 GMT
$ =/= quality. Plus, paid critics and artificial boosters invalidate any direct comparisons anyway. Because they did so well with Deadpool mach 1, didnt they? Merc with a mouth couldn't talk. Dude, if they were doing it right, the sales would be similar or more Adjusted for inflation Thor-$206,246,700 Captain America: The First Avenger -$204,271,500 Ant-Man -$200,382,200 The Incredible Hulk -$172,357,600 -origin movies for characters few knew or cared about outside fanboys. (Ok Hulk had a tv show in the 1970s)- Come in ahead of X-Men: First Class- $166,937,000 X-Men: Apocalypse- $163,532,300 The Wolverine-$155,104,400 Thor: The Dark World-$227,121,100, a movie usually rated the worst of the MCU titles-beats X-Men Origins: Wolverine-$221,357,500. The Most Popular X-Man second to a character non comicbook fans were not aware of prior to the MCU movies. A character deep in the Marvel roster beat the movie you all rave about- Doctor Strange-$242,945,100 Logan -$234,717,000 Again, the MOST POPULAR CHARACTER ridden into the ground by Fox. Infinity War beat him in 3 days. No one was supposed to care Captain America, a dated WWII propoganda character to many modern minds but Captain America: The Winter Soldier -$286,373,800 X-Men $267,905,600 X-Men: Days of Future Past-$258,260,900 The best grossing title Fox has- Deadpool-$388,249,600 Comes in behind- Marvel's The Avengers- $705,769,500 Black Panther -$688,009,500 Avengers: Age of Ultron $491,377,100 Iron Man 3-$448,436,600 Captain America: Civil War-$429,213,000 Iron Man -$407,095,000 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 -$399,848,900 The anti MCU crowd likes to say Disney has ruined Marvel. It seems more like Fox is the one that doesn't get the characters Nah, they're all D-listers. They'll always be D-listers, unless I say they're not. |
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Post by harpospoke on May 1, 2018 6:13:12 GMT
It is pretty amazing how Fox was never able to realize the potential of the X-men. It would look even worse if Ryan Reynolds hadn't made Deadpool for them. Fox actually started out with a known franchise that was the top selling comic post 1980 while Marvel had to build up B list characters into the MCU. Marvel then proceeded to lap Fox. $ =/= quality. Plus, paid critics and artificial boosters invalidate any direct comparisons anyway. Different subject. Fox was never able to realize the box office potential of the X-men. That was the subject. The X-men were a known property that Fox never got above 250m domestic. I think a lot of the Fox movie suck and hate their Wolverine and Friends approach, but others like them. Obviously not as many as liked the MCU movies though. Somehow Marvel made Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Black Panther more popular than the X-men. The X-men deserve better. They should be huge. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 1, 2018 6:24:59 GMT
$ =/= quality. Plus, paid critics and artificial boosters invalidate any direct comparisons anyway. Different subject. Fox was never able to realize the box office potential of the X-men. That was the subject. The X-men were a known property that Fox never got above 250m domestic. I think a lot of the Fox movie suck and hate their Wolverine and Friends approach, but others like them. Obviously not as many as liked the MCU movies though. Somehow Marvel made Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Black Panther more popular than the X-men. The X-men deserve better. They should be huge. How do you think the MCU's approach will differ with what Fox has done? |
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Post by harpospoke on May 1, 2018 7:04:30 GMT
Different subject. Fox was never able to realize the box office potential of the X-men. That was the subject. The X-men were a known property that Fox never got above 250m domestic. I think a lot of the Fox movie suck and hate their Wolverine and Friends approach, but others like them. Obviously not as many as liked the MCU movies though. Somehow Marvel made Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Black Panther more popular than the X-men. The X-men deserve better. They should be huge. How do you think the MCU's approach will differ with what Fox has done? Well my hope is they do it like they do in the comics where all the X-men get a chance to shine. Would especially love to see Storm and Rogue done properly. Can't wait to see the MCU Cyclops either. I'm also wondering if they will ditch the "male model" version of Logan that Fox used. Jackman is awesome and all, but not so true to the spirit of the character. Too bad the MCU can't use McKellen and Stewart (too old  )....Fox nailed that casting. |
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Post by merh on May 1, 2018 7:17:14 GMT
Because they did so well with Deadpool mach 1, didnt they? Merc with a mouth couldn't talk. Dude, if they were doing it right, the sales would be similar or more Adjusted for inflation Thor-$206,246,700 Captain America: The First Avenger -$204,271,500 Ant-Man -$200,382,200 The Incredible Hulk -$172,357,600 -origin movies for characters few knew or cared about outside fanboys. (Ok Hulk had a tv show in the 1970s)- Come in ahead of X-Men: First Class- $166,937,000 X-Men: Apocalypse- $163,532,300 The Wolverine-$155,104,400 Thor: The Dark World-$227,121,100, a movie usually rated the worst of the MCU titles-beats X-Men Origins: Wolverine-$221,357,500. The Most Popular X-Man second to a character non comicbook fans were not aware of prior to the MCU movies. A character deep in the Marvel roster beat the movie you all rave about- Doctor Strange-$242,945,100 Logan -$234,717,000 Again, the MOST POPULAR CHARACTER ridden into the ground by Fox. Infinity War beat him in 3 days. No one was supposed to care Captain America, a dated WWII propoganda character to many modern minds but Captain America: The Winter Soldier -$286,373,800 X-Men $267,905,600 X-Men: Days of Future Past-$258,260,900 The best grossing title Fox has- Deadpool-$388,249,600 Comes in behind- Marvel's The Avengers- $705,769,500 Black Panther -$688,009,500 Avengers: Age of Ultron $491,377,100 Iron Man 3-$448,436,600 Captain America: Civil War-$429,213,000 Iron Man -$407,095,000 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 -$399,848,900 The anti MCU crowd likes to say Disney has ruined Marvel. It seems more like Fox is the one that doesn't get the characters Nah, they're all D-listers. They'll always be D-listers, unless I say they're not. The X-Men are overrated The comic shop ehere i bought my comics in the 80s wss always pushing them on me, saying they would be worth money some day. I'd buy a few, but could never find any character to latch onto, to care about. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 1, 2018 7:22:56 GMT
Nah, they're all D-listers. They'll always be D-listers, unless I say they're not. The X-Men are overrated The comic shop ehere i bought my comics in the 80s wss always pushing them on me, saying they would be worth money some day. I'd buy a few, but could never find any character to latch onto, to care about. You being a contemptible rube doesn't make them "overrated." |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on May 1, 2018 7:27:46 GMT
The X-Men are overrated The comic shop ehere i bought my comics in the 80s wss always pushing them on me, saying they would be worth money some day. I'd buy a few, but could never find any character to latch onto, to care about. You being a contemptible rube doesn't make them "overrated." So basically you’re an X-Men fanboy. |
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Post by merh on May 1, 2018 13:24:21 GMT
The X-Men are overrated The comic shop ehere i bought my comics in the 80s wss always pushing them on me, saying they would be worth money some day. I'd buy a few, but could never find any character to latch onto, to care about. You being a contemptible rube doesn't make them "overrated." How does liking a stupid comic book make one sophisticated? I tended to go for the smaller books. Ka-Zar Defenders Thor Dr Strange Ghost Rider The only X-Man I liked the stupid writers could never figure out-Angel. Cut his damned wings off to make him tough! Jerks. But go on & suckle at that mass market teat. Settle for the pap they sell to the masses. I always felt the smaller titles were more personal. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 1, 2018 14:17:32 GMT
You being a contemptible rube doesn't make them "overrated." So basically you’re an X-Men fanboy. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 1, 2018 14:18:47 GMT
You being a contemptible rube doesn't make them "overrated." How does liking a stupid comic book make one sophisticated? I tended to go for the smaller books. Ka-Zar Defenders Thor Dr Strange Ghost Rider The only X-Man I liked the stupid writers could never figure out-Angel. Cut his damned wings off to make him tough! Jerks. But go on & suckle at that mass market teat. Settle for the pap they sell to the masses. I always felt the smaller titles were more personal. You're attempting some degree of coolness or authority and then recommending I read Ka-Zar and other shitty obscure Marvel books? Okay, grandma. Thanks for the tip. |
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Post by merh on May 1, 2018 15:41:10 GMT
How does liking a stupid comic book make one sophisticated? I tended to go for the smaller books. Ka-Zar Defenders Thor Dr Strange Ghost Rider The only X-Man I liked the stupid writers could never figure out-Angel. Cut his damned wings off to make him tough! Jerks. But go on & suckle at that mass market teat. Settle for the pap they sell to the masses. I always felt the smaller titles were more personal. You're attempting some degree of coolness or authority and then recommending I read Ka-Zar and other shitty obscure Marvel books? Okay, grandma. Thanks for the tip. Ooo. Its not coolness. I like a Denny's Grand Slam Slugger. I do not plan on ever trying their spagetti as I assume I can get much better at the hole-in-the-wall Italian joint I go to. I like the smaller titles because they don't have to appeal to the masses. Ka-Zar was having something of a mid-life crisis in the 80s book I read which appealed to my 20-something head. I found it relatable You might as well. Up to you. I preferred the Defenders because it leaned supernatural (Valkyrie, Son of Satan, etc). The Avengers were day to the Defenders' night. They were flawed. Nighthawk was a Cap villain at one time. I didn't care for the X-Men fake racism theme they beat us over the head with. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 1, 2018 15:48:01 GMT
You're attempting some degree of coolness or authority and then recommending I read Ka-Zar and other shitty obscure Marvel books? Okay, grandma. Thanks for the tip. Ooo. Its not coolness. I like a Denny's Grand Slam Slugger. I do not plan on ever trying their spagetti as I assume I can get much better at the hole-in-the-wall Italian joint I go to. I like the smaller titles because they don't have to appeal to the masses. Ka-Zar was having something of a mid-life crisis in the 80s book I read which appealed to my 20-something head. I found it relatable You might as well. Up to you. I preferred the Defenders because it leaned supernatural (Valkyrie, Son of Satan, etc). The Avengers were day to the Defenders' night. They were flawed. Nighthawk was a Cap villain at one time. I didn't care for the X-Men fake racism theme they beat us over the head with. If you like "smaller titles" that "don't have to appeal to the masses," why are you buying Marvel comic books? Seriously. Go read Image or like some local stuff or something. There's prolly local cons in your area to connect with these types of people and books. |
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Post by merh on May 1, 2018 17:41:15 GMT
Ooo. Its not coolness. I like a Denny's Grand Slam Slugger. I do not plan on ever trying their spagetti as I assume I can get much better at the hole-in-the-wall Italian joint I go to. I like the smaller titles because they don't have to appeal to the masses. Ka-Zar was having something of a mid-life crisis in the 80s book I read which appealed to my 20-something head. I found it relatable You might as well. Up to you. I preferred the Defenders because it leaned supernatural (Valkyrie, Son of Satan, etc). The Avengers were day to the Defenders' night. They were flawed. Nighthawk was a Cap villain at one time. I didn't care for the X-Men fake racism theme they beat us over the head with. If you like "smaller titles" that "don't have to appeal to the masses," why are you buying Marvel comic books? Seriously. Go read Image or like some local stuff or something. There's prolly local cons in your area to connect with these types of people and books. You mean like E-Man, Jon Sable & DNAgents? Yeah, I read those as well in the 80s. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 1, 2018 17:48:22 GMT
If you like "smaller titles" that "don't have to appeal to the masses," why are you buying Marvel comic books? Seriously. Go read Image or like some local stuff or something. There's prolly local cons in your area to connect with these types of people and books. You mean like E-Man, Jon Sable & DNAgents? Yeah, I read those as well in the 80s. Nah, those are trash. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 1, 2018 18:06:32 GMT
$ =/= quality. Plus, paid critics and artificial boosters invalidate any direct comparisons anyway. Different subject. Fox was never able to realize the box office potential of the X-men. That was the subject. The X-men were a known property that Fox never got above 250m domestic. I think a lot of the Fox movie suck and hate their Wolverine and Friends approach, but others like them. Obviously not as many as liked the MCU movies though. Somehow Marvel made Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Black Panther more popular than the X-men. The X-men deserve better. They should be huge. 13/19 MCU movies have gotten over $250 million domestically. That's 68% of the MCU. Only 1/10 X-Men films made it over $250 million domestic, and that's Deadpool. 10% of X-Men grossed over $250 million. The second highest grossing X-Men film (Days of Future Past) was $16 million short of $250 million. |
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Post by merh on May 2, 2018 0:05:20 GMT
You mean like E-Man, Jon Sable & DNAgents? Yeah, I read those as well in the 80s. Nah, those are trash. Dude, the E-Man X-Men spoof rocked. What was wrong with Sable? Or Judge Dredd, for that matter. Wanna discuss manga? |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 2, 2018 0:20:32 GMT
Dude, the E-Man X-Men spoof rocked. What was wrong with Sable? Or Judge Dredd, for that matter. Wanna discuss manga? I don't read manga. |
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Post by merh on May 2, 2018 0:54:00 GMT
Dude, the E-Man X-Men spoof rocked. What was wrong with Sable? Or Judge Dredd, for that matter. Wanna discuss manga? I don't read manga. Aw. I read comics in the 60s & the 90s. I read manga around the 00s. |
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