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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 30, 2018 22:30:14 GMT
Pros: 1. It took 19 movies, but for the 1st time ever MCU finally has a villain who isn't awful or lame. A "former" MCU fan (who has been invited to never come back to this forum) used to say MCU is better than DC because MCU always makes the heroes the main character while DC makes the villain the main character. Well, Infinity War takes a page out of DC's playbook and makes the villain the main character and it's the 1st time in 19 movies that the villain of an MCU movie isn't awful or lame. 2. Loki repeating Tony Stark's line from the 1st Avengers movie ("We have a Hulk") and then Thanos proceeding to give Hulk such a severe beatdown that Hulk turned into a 1000-pound coward and was too scared to show up for the rest of the movie. 3. Loki finally getting killed. Loki ("I'm evil because I was adopted and Daddy Odin loved Thor more than me") has always been an awful, lame, and useless villain. Cons: 1. This movie was a big mess, constantly jumping all over the place from 1 location to another. 2. Drax claiming to be "invisible". Stupid scene that added nothing to the movie. 3. MCU ripping off The Illiad with Thanos sacrificing his daughter to get the soul stone. 4. Too many MCU characters were ready and willing to put half the universe at risk for their own selfish needs: a. Starlord - threw a hissy fit and helped Thanos to break free b. Doctor Strange - gave Thanos the time stone (which Thanos used to reverse time and get the mind stone from Vision's forehead later) just to save Iron Man and sacrifice half the universe; also knew which of the 14 million possible paths was the only path to defeat Thanos but took that secret to the grave and let Thanos kill half the universe rather than tell anyone else the winning path (MCU fans made the dumb excuse that telling others the winning path would bias their decisions. Of course, it's supposed to bias their decisions - so they can make the right decisions to defeat Thanos! If you're given the correct answers to a test BEFORE the test, of course you're going to write down those correct answers when you take the test. Who would be so stupid to NOT write down the correct answers if they're given the correct answers BEFORE the test?) c. Scarlet Witch - made an entire country fight Thanos just so she can keep her robot sex toy 5. Spider-Sense not working properly again as Spider-Man gets ambished and taken hostage by a guy with no superpowers. 6. An ending that will probably be reversed in Avengers 4, resulting in this movie having no stakes and basically being a waste of 2 and 1/2 hours since 90% of what happened in this movie will have been reversed in Avengers 4. Also, why is there even a need for Avengers 4? If Strange can use the time stone to see how to defeat Thanos, then Thanos should be able to do the same thing and see which is the only possible way he could be defeated and prevent that from ever happening. So it should now be impossible to defeat Thanos and there's no need for an Avengers 4 since it's now impossible for the Avengers to win.Rating: My ratings for movies and TV shows are always fair and objective and without any bias. Currently, 8 voters have rated Infinity War a zero out of 10 here: Rate AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR (2018). But despite the many flaws, I don't think Infinity War was as awful as most of MCU's other movies, especially the recent ones which have been really awful (e.g. Civil War, Doctor Strange, GotG2, SMH, Ragnarok, and Black Panther). So I'll rate Infinity War a 4 out of 10.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Apr 30, 2018 22:33:39 GMT
Pros: 1. It took 19 movies, but for the 1st time ever MCU finally has a villain who isn't awful or lame. A "former" MCU fan (who has been invited to never come back to this forum) used to say MCU is better than DC because MCU always makes the heroes the main character while DC makes the villain the main character. Well, Infinity War takes a page out of DC's playbook and makes the villain the main character and it's the 1st time in 19 movies that the villain of an MCU movie isn't awful or lame. 2. Loki repeating Tony Stark's line from the 1st Avengers movie ("We have a Hulk") and then Thanos proceeding to give Hulk such a severe beatdown that Hulk turned into a 1000-pound coward and was too scared to show up for the rest of the movie. 3. Loki finally getting killed. Loki ("I'm evil because I was adopted and Daddy Odin loved Thor more than me") has always been an awful, lame, and useless villain. Cons: 1. MCU retconning Rhodey's injury that paralyzed him in Civil War so that it never happened and Rhodey can stand up and walk again. 2. Drax claiming to be "invisible". Stupid scene that added nothing to the movie. 3. MCU ripping off The Illiad with Thanos sacrificing his daughter to get the soul stone. 4. Too many MCU characters were ready and willing to put half the universe at risk for their own selfish needs: a. Starlord - threw a hissy fit and helped Thanos to break free b. Doctor Strange - gave Thanos the time stone (which Thanos used to reverse time and get the mind stone from Vision's forehead later) just to save Iron Man and sacrifice half the universe; also knew which of the 14 million possible paths was the only path to defeat Thanos but took that secret to the grave and let Thanos kill half the universe rather than tell anyone else the winning path (MCU fans made the dumb excuse that telling others the winning path would bias their decisions. Of course, it's supposed to bias their decisions - so they can make the right decisions to defeat Thanos! If you're given the correct answers to a test BEFORE the test, of course you're going to write down those correct answers when you take the test. Who would be so stupid to NOT write down the correct answers if they're given the correct answers BEFORE the test?) c. Scarlet Witch - made an entire country fight Thanos just so she can keep her robot sex toy 5. An ending that will probably be reversed in Avengers 4, resulting in this movie having no stakes and basically being a waste of 2 and 1/2 hours since 90% of what happened in this movie will have been reversed in Avengers 4. 6. Captain Marvel MIA again. Her movie supposedly takes place in the 1990s so she already exists in the MCU timeline, yet she was MIA for the battles against the Chitauri, Ultron, and now Thanos. 7. This movie was a big mess, jumping all over the place from 1 location to another. Rating: My ratings for movies and TV shows are always fair and objective and without any bias. Currently, 6 voters have rated Infinity War a zero out of 10 here: Rate AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR (2018). But despite the many flaws, I don't think Infinity War was as awful as most of MCU's other movies, especially the recent ones which have been really awful (e.g. Civil War, Doctor Strange, GotG2, SMH, Ragnarok, and Black Panther). So I'll rate Infinity War a 4 out of 10. Just one note- Rhodes was already learning to walk again at the end of Civil War, and still was wearing the tech aids on his legs in IW.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 30, 2018 22:34:09 GMT
Outstanding review -- one of the best I've ever read. Anyone else tryna petition Rotten Tomatoes to include DC-Fan's reviews in their scores? I say we all get a campaign going in time for the next McMarvel "gem" to be reviewed and rated accurately!
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on May 1, 2018 0:02:57 GMT
1. Vulture, Red Skull, Loki, Crossbones, Alexander Pierce, Bucky (At least in Winter Soldier when he's the "villain"), Zemo, all been great villains. The DCEU only have Zod going for them right now. Doomsday, pfft, not even a proper character, just Zod incarcerated if anything. Lex Luthor, even you agreed he sucked. Enchantress, likewise, you agreed she sucked. Steppenwolf, a poor man's version cardboard cutout of Thanos if anything with little to none characterization without the build up like the MCU has done. There's a fine line between bad and memorable. The MCU villains aren't all perfect, so they're not that memorable, but they're still damn good compared to Enchantress and Doomsday. And Thanos is just about better than any DCEU character.
2. Your complaint against Loki has been countered more than once. It's your opinion, sure, but doesn't make it a fact in anyway and certainly not implausible as there are many historical figures who had sibley rivalry or trying to win over a parent, and Hiddleson is a great performer who gave a powerhouse performance up against a Shakespearean actor like Hopkins in the first Thor film. The DCEU is yet to really capture a good performance like that other than Shannon's Zod.
3. They didn't retcon anything you dumbass. If you're going to nitpick, at least watch the movie first. You clearly see Rhodey has bionic support on his legs, which was shown at the end of Civil War. And given that Infinity War takes place two years after Civil War and Rhodey has been in physical therapy with the bionic legs, yeah, he's going to be walking again.
4. Opinion, not fact. Sure it probably didn't add to the film, but it was a funny joke. Sorry the MCU films aren't dour and depressing like BvS.
5. You realize how ingrained Greek Mythology is in film and pop culture is!?!? Its not a rip off. A homage if anything. Either way, it's been a while since I read it myself, so how about you elaborate on which specific part of the Iliad someone sacrificed their child. I know it kinda happens in the Bible, which again, who's themes are very ingrained in film and pop culture today. Superman the Movie takes huge inspiration from the Bible with portraying Superman as a Christ figure. So this opinion is merely just a nitpick for the sake of nitpicking.
6. That's Quill's character, dude. You can hate, as I'm sure you're supposed to hate it, but that's just his character. Nitpicking.
7. I already countered your argument about Doctor Strange and you just refuse to accept it. Just a nitpick from you for the sake of nitpicking because this is a MCU film.
8. You must be truly a lonely person in life if you don't understand the concept of love and relationships. I wouldn't expect you to understand something like this, but imagine having someone you love who's "death" -in a way- could save the universe, but there is also an alternative to it where you can still save the universe but still save your loved one. If you can't understand that, then that's not even an opinion or a criticism on your part, it's just nitpicking,... again, for the sake of nitpicking. Oh, also, jumping onto someone else's joke about Vision being a "boy/sex toy" and using it yourself... not very original.
9. You mean like how we were supposed to believe that Superman was really dead in BvS even though we saw the dirt rise from the grave?!? But sure, I'll give you some credit as yeah, BP 2 and Spiderman 2 have been confirmed to come out and does undermine it a little, but there are still high stakes as not everything is going to get completely reversed in the next one and the world will still have to deal with the consequences. And honestly, even though we know some stuff will be reversed, that's the point as now we have to wait and figure out how they're going to do that while we're watching the rest of the world deal with it until it can be reverse. Those are the stakes. Now you don't have to agree with that, but at least I was able to elaborate on the effectiveness of the ending while you din't with your point against it. And the film still managed to subverts a lot of expectations of what you might expect from it, and Holland performance as he's dying and RDJ's reaction as Tony unable to do anything is more powerful than any performance in the DCEU.
10. I'm sure it will be explained in her own film like it was explained in BvS that Wonder Woman supposedly "left man's world a 100yrs ago" so that's why she couldn't help Superman fight Zod even though she's living the fancy life in Paris.
11. Well look at how many characters they have in this. Yeah, expect a lot of jumping back and forth, but it was a monumental feat if anything that shouldn't have worked balancing the screen time and the tone, but the Russo brothers really pulled it off. No, it's not perfect, but no other studio has been able to do it with any kind of cinematic universe and speaks to Kevin Feige's genius of building this entire universe up for 10 years, and quite frankly, DC decided to take the easy way out of not doing that, and look where they are today and you can't doubt that.
As usual, this is just a biased review because you're jealous of the MCU's success.
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Post by sostie on May 1, 2018 0:11:21 GMT
I'm confused....a worryingly committed troll or never saw the film. Or both
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Post by scabab on May 1, 2018 0:13:42 GMT
Huh? Wasn't Rhodey still paralysed? I thought he was using some hi tech braces on his legs to help him walk like he was practicing to do in Civil War.
Also Con #6 shouldn't even be included. Nobody has any idea what is going on with Captain Marvel. She could be on another planet, in cryosleep, trapped in another dimension etc.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on May 1, 2018 0:14:55 GMT
Huh? Wasn't Rhodey still paralysed? I thought he was using some hi tech braces on his legs to help him walk like he was practicing to do in Civil War. Also Con #6 shouldn't even be included. Nobody has any idea what is going on with Captain Marvel. She could be on another planet, in cryosleep, trapped in another dimension etc. Good luck getting him to admit he was mistaken on that part about Rhodes
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Post by sostie on May 1, 2018 0:34:25 GMT
Huh? Wasn't Rhodey still paralysed? I thought he was using some hi tech braces on his legs to help him walk like he was practicing to do in Civil War. Also Con #6 shouldn't even be included. Nobody has any idea what is going on with Captain Marvel. She could be on another planet, in cryosleep, trapped in another dimension etc. Good luck getting him to admit he was mistaken on that part about Rhodes Or about The version of the film I saw (one that exists) it was Steve Rogers that suggested they take Vision to Wakanda. You see what he did there was saw moviebuffbrad's earlier post with a pretty funny description of Vision as a sentient vibrator, thought it was funny, and needed an excuse to repeat it (a few times now) in an attempt himself to try and be funny.
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Post by sostie on May 1, 2018 1:03:12 GMT
6. Captain Marvel MIA again. Her movie supposedly takes place in the 1990s so she already exists in the MCU timeline, yet she was MIA for the battles against the Chitauri, Ultron, and now Thanos. So they should just introduce, out of the blue, a major player in the film, and have to explain who she is etc, in an already lengthy film. And you accuse MCU of bad writing. Christ, according to you the film would have been better if there was a lengthy scene where Doctor Strange explained to everyone why he is giving up the time stone and what they should do in the interim period and after, and then have a character unknown to many just appear from nowhere and kick ass! Didn't you see the post credits sequence..or was it cut out of the online copy you watched...if you watched it at all.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 1, 2018 1:46:56 GMT
Okay, I’ll admit, the “robot sex toy” but got a chuckle out of me. I thought it was a solid movie, but Wanda and Vision’s relationship didn’t interest me in the slightest.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 1, 2018 2:06:08 GMT
Wow, 4/10 is still a step up from 1/10.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2018 2:59:47 GMT
Vulture, Red Skull, Loki, Crossbones, Alexander Pierce, Bucky (At least in Winter Soldier when he's the "villain"), Zemo All awful and lame villains. it's been a while since I read it myself, so how about you elaborate on which specific part of the Iliad someone sacrificed their child. Agamemnon sacrificed his daughter Iphigenia. I already countered your argument about Doctor Strange and you just refuse to accept it. Just a nitpick from you for the sake of nitpicking because this is a MCU film. And I countered your weak argument by pointing out that it's not nitpicking but bad writing. "I know how to defeat this madman who wants to kill half of the universe, but I'm not going to tell anyone how to do it and I'm going to take that secret to the grave and let half the universe die because I'm a selfish asshole who doesn't give a shit about the rest of the universe. Good luck defeating Thanos on your own!" There's just no defense for that. It's just really awful writing. Holland performance as he's dying and RDJ's reaction as Tony unable to do anything is more powerful than any performance in the DCEU. Holland's performance was weak and made Spider-Man look like a wimp. "Mr. Stark, you saved my ass TWICE against Vulture. Please save my ass again now. Please do something. I'm begging you." Speaking of Spider-Man, added another Con to my OP: Spider-Man's SPider-Sense not working properly again! the Russo brothers really pulled it off. The Russo brothers didn't pull anything off. The movie is a big mess, constantly jumping around from 1 location to another. As usual, this is just a biased review No, this isn't biased at all. I even listed 3 Pros for this movie.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2018 3:01:42 GMT
Nobody has any idea what is going on with Captain Marvel. She could be on another planet, in cryosleep, trapped in another dimension etc. Nick Fury has her pager number. But he didn't call her during the battles against the Chitauri and Ultron and waited until Thanos killed half the universe before finally calling her.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2018 3:08:14 GMT
Wow, 4/10 is still a step up from 1/10. This should put an end to all the bullshit talk about me being biased against MCU. I gave Infinity War a fair rating.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on May 1, 2018 3:19:00 GMT
Wow, 4/10 is still a step up from 1/10. This should put an end to all the bullshit talk about me being biased against MCU. I gave Infinity War a fair rating. The only reason why you didn’t give it 1/10 is because you knew people were expecting it and it would make you lose even more credibility.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on May 1, 2018 3:21:13 GMT
Wow, 4/10 is still a step up from 1/10. This should put an end to all the bullshit talk about me being biased against MCU. I gave Infinity War a fair rating.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on May 1, 2018 3:44:24 GMT
Also what was the point of including that in your review? It literally has nothing to do with anything.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2018 3:47:28 GMT
Also what was the point of including that in your review? It literally has nothing to do with anything. To demonstrate that my rating is fair. Currently, 6 voters voted zero out of 10 and 1 voter voted 3 out of 10 so several voters have rated Infinity War lower than I did, which proves that my rating is fair.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on May 1, 2018 3:50:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 3:53:19 GMT
A perfectly humble, non biased, thurough, and perfectly fair review, DC-Fan. As always, your knowledgeable insight is much appreciated You are truly the Good Samaritan of this cesspool of a board.
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