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Post by dazz on Jun 6, 2018 18:44:56 GMT
It was in the shitter long before hand, just it used to be a floater bobbing along oblivious to it's own smell, now it's a sinking log, leaving it's dirty skids down the pan as it scrapes the bowl on it's journey to lay along the porcelain floor.
What? Too descriptive? hehehehe.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 12:08:13 GMT
It was in the shitter long before hand, just it used to be a floater bobbing along oblivious to it's own smell, now it's a sinking log, leaving it's dirty skids down the pan as it scrapes the bowl on it's journey to lay along the porcelain floor. What? Too descriptive? hehehehe. Yeah. True. 'Supergirl' was never perfect from day one and there were a lot of other fans apart from myself that didn't like that the show strayed so much away from the comic book series and the version of Supergirl we had on 'Smallville' which lead to the show losing a lot of ratings after the first episode and while it was never as bad as the awful 'Birds of Prey' TV adaption or got the strips torn out of it by comic book writers it did make a lot of the same mistakes copying too much from 'Superman.' I mean the scene at the end of the first episode where Kara confronted Maxwell Lord was almost a direct copy of Superman confronting Lex Luthor at the end of the pilot episode of 'Lois and Clark.' I think it still wouldn't have been great if they had made it like the comic books 'cause the writers would have ruined it and we have had this conversation on here before but I still think they should have gone with a proper adaption and not made Kara into Clark Kent.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jun 20, 2018 12:46:29 GMT
Yes! Agreed 100%! Kara is an interesting character in and of herself. She doesn't need to be turned into her cousin to be successful. But too often this show borrows from Superman, even using the same supporting cast!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 13:45:50 GMT
Yes! Agreed 100%! Kara is an interesting character in and of herself. She doesn't need to be turned into her cousin to be successful. But too often this show borrows from Superman, even using the same supporting cast! Yeah. She is. Both Kara Zor-El and Linda Danvers are interesting characters and it was the Linda Danvers/ Supergirl series by Peter David that got me into comic books and I had read a number of comic books before that but it wasn't until I read that series and 'Witchblade' I really took a liking to comic books and collected a lot of different series. I pretty much own every single 'Supergirl' series there is to own in comic book and graphic novel form and that is why I know more than others that haven't read the comic books that the show is a pale reflection of it. A proper adaption of 'Supergirl' with Kara Zor-El or Linda Danvers could be an awesome movie or TV show with the right writers and directors but sadly this show doesn't have those things. I was glad in a way they decided to use Reign (a Supergirl villain) even though their version was very disappointing and didn't look or have the same backstory as the real Reign but now they are back to Superman villains and clearly have no direction.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jun 25, 2018 22:47:25 GMT
Yeah Supergirl is a wonderful character. One of my favorites. With a rich history and supporting cast of her own. This show has been very disappointing in the choices they've made, as if they don't want to commit completely to adapting Supergirl and her world properly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 12:44:27 GMT
Yeah Supergirl is a wonderful character. One of my favorites. With a rich history and supporting cast of her own. This show has been very disappointing in the choices they've made, as if they don't want to commit completely to adapting Supergirl and her world properly. Looking at all the things they have done with the show so far going back to the first episode I don't think they ever wanted to adapt Supergirl and their first choice was Superman but Warner Bros wouldn't let them make another 'Superman' TV show while the character was getting his own movies in the DCEU so they used 'Supergirl' instead of 'Superman' and did all the things they were planning on doing with a 'Superman' TV show with Kara. It explains why they made Kara so much like Clark down to the very bottom details like the nerdy personality, the glasses, her growing up with a human family and her working at Cat Co which is just their equivalent of the Daily Planet but by doing so they just stripped the character of everything that made her different except for her gender and the addition of a Sister that Superman didn't have. While I like Katie McGrath it sadly looks like they are just setting Lena up to be 'Supergirl's' version of Lex and she will find out Kara is Supergirl and become a villain. This is one of the main reasons I would have preferred Laura's show more 'cause it would have been more of a proper 'Supergirl' TV show and they had the personality far closer to the comic books in that and the backstory right. I have said it before but the biggest mistake this show made was humanising Kara and giving her a human family who she spent years on earth with before the show started.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 6, 2018 13:21:45 GMT
I think you'e onto something. It explains the direction of this show very well.
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Post by dazz on Jul 6, 2018 15:33:16 GMT
Yeah that's kind of obvious that or they wanted to do Supergirl but DC or CBS or someone said eh Supermans a bigger name though, and to do Supergirl they had to basically copy Superman, but that's giving them a little too much credit imo, also seeing how Arrow is basically or was atleast just Batman in a green hoody seems like they have a history of this shit.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 7, 2018 14:56:39 GMT
Lack of respect and appreciation for the character they have, so they turn them into somebody else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 12:52:47 GMT
Yeah that's kind of obvious that or they wanted to do Supergirl but DC or CBS or someone said eh Supermans a bigger name though, and to do Supergirl they had to basically copy Superman, but that's giving them a little too much credit imo, also seeing how Arrow is basically or was atleast just Batman in a green hoody seems like they have a history of this shit. I agree with you about the Green Arrow being somewhat of a copy of a 'Batman' show which is amusing in a way since the main reason Green Arrow come to such prominence was 'cause the writers of 'Smallville' chose to use him in their show when they found out they weren't allowed to use Batman but at the same time I think they have done more Green Arrow things in 'Arrow' than they have done Supergirl things in 'Supergirl' and we have had a lot of Green Arrow villains appear in 'Arrow' but only a few Supergirl villains in 'Supergirl.' It is disappointing that the two closest versions we have had of the characters was in a Superman show and their actual shows don't have much in common with the characters.
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Post by dazz on Jul 19, 2018 15:10:49 GMT
Yeah but that's because they weren't the selling point of that show, so they could be more accurate because if they don't go over well then they just write them off, with it being their own shows they need to appeal to the masses best they can, the characters failing to connect or gain an audience in these cases doesn't cost an actor their job but an entire cast and crew theirs.
Silver lining though as I think I have said before these shows do put the characters more into the mainstream as did their runs on Smallville which led to them being viable enough to sell as shows even if in name only, but now their even more mainstream so maybe we'll be getting more accurate and unique GA or SG animated films or shows or some live action films, and maybe in a decade we will have a accurate show for these characters.
I mean think about it Batman only really became as well known as he did to the world thanks to the Adam West show, it gave the character a foothold in pop culture that allowed for it to still be recognisable even when nothing from that show remains in the character today, we cant have everything we want all the time, so lets just be thankful we haver something I guess.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 20, 2018 14:17:38 GMT
Another thing to take into consideration when dealing with characters who are 70 years old. What is the correct interpretation?
And who decides which one is the correct one?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 11:48:12 GMT
Yeah but that's because they weren't the selling point of that show, so they could be more accurate because if they don't go over well then they just write them off, with it being their own shows they need to appeal to the masses best they can, the characters failing to connect or gain an audience in these cases doesn't cost an actor their job but an entire cast and crew theirs. Silver lining though as I think I have said before these shows do put the characters more into the mainstream as did their runs on Smallville which led to them being viable enough to sell as shows even if in name only, but now their even more mainstream so maybe we'll be getting more accurate and unique GA or SG animated films or shows or some live action films, and maybe in a decade we will have a accurate show for these characters. I mean think about it Batman only really became as well known as he did to the world thanks to the Adam West show, it gave the character a foothold in pop culture that allowed for it to still be recognisable even when nothing from that show remains in the character today, we cant have everything we want all the time, so lets just be thankful we haver something I guess. You have a good point there with the characters but in the case of the Green Arrow he was already a popular character who appeared in a lot of episodes of the second half of ‘Smallville’ and the reason ‘Arrow’ even got greenlighted was ‘cause of Justin Hartley’s version of the Green Arrow which is why many of his fans thought he was robbed of the role when they first announced Stephen Amell would be playing the Green Arrow in the ‘Arrow’ show. It also didn’t help that a number of previous reports including one in ‘Smallville’ magazine had it penned as a ‘Smallville’ spinoff with Justin returning and while I can understand why they had a change of mind ‘cause being tied down to ‘Smallville’s history would have made things difficult for them like they would have had to use the same actress for Black Canary and they wouldn’t have been able to have ‘The Flash’ ‘cause Impulse was in the ‘Smallville universe.’
I don’t think they needed to change Oliver Queen’s personality and background so much though and they could have had him as the multibillionaire and CEO of Queen Industries that arrives at places in limos and has his own private jets ‘cause a lot of ‘Smallville’ fans already knew Oliver Queen/ Green Arrow that way not to mention ‘Smallville’ was on the same network as ‘Arrow’ and it is likely most fans who tuned in to watch ‘Arrow’ watched ‘Smallville’ before it. With ‘Supergirl’ she wasn’t in as many episodes of ‘Smallville’ as some other characters were but in the second half of ‘Smallville’ it was impossible to watch the show and not see him. I just don't understand why they decided to change a character so dramatically when they were already established in live action and make them like another superhero (Batman) but perhaps that was Warner Bros' decision and they didn't think a 'Green Arrow' show could work unless they made him more like Batman and the same went with the 'Supergirl' show being more like Superman 'cause Warner Bros have a long history of only focusing on Batman and Superman.
I totally agree with you about 'Batman' and the Adam West show making the character more well known and it also made Batgirl and Robin and a number of Batman villains like the Joker, the Penguin, Catwoman and the Riddler into household names. A lot of people who argue that lesser known superheroes shouldn't be given a chance on screen forget that there was a time when Batman and Superman were lesser known and a lot of Superman's popularity came from the George Reeves TV show and the 1940s Animations.
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Post by BexxyJ on Jul 30, 2018 14:11:31 GMT
Yeah but that's because they weren't the selling point of that show, so they could be more accurate because if they don't go over well then they just write them off, with it being their own shows they need to appeal to the masses best they can, the characters failing to connect or gain an audience in these cases doesn't cost an actor their job but an entire cast and crew theirs. Silver lining though as I think I have said before these shows do put the characters more into the mainstream as did their runs on Smallville which led to them being viable enough to sell as shows even if in name only, but now their even more mainstream so maybe we'll be getting more accurate and unique GA or SG animated films or shows or some live action films, and maybe in a decade we will have a accurate show for these characters. I mean think about it Batman only really became as well known as he did to the world thanks to the Adam West show, it gave the character a foothold in pop culture that allowed for it to still be recognisable even when nothing from that show remains in the character today, we cant have everything we want all the time, so lets just be thankful we haver something I guess. You have a good point there with the characters but in the case of the Green Arrow he was already a popular character who appeared in a lot of episodes of the second half of ‘Smallville’ and the reason ‘Arrow’ even got greenlighted was ‘cause of Justin Hartley’s version of the Green Arrow which is why many of his fans thought he was robbed of the role when they first announced Stephen Amell would be playing the Green Arrow in the ‘Arrow’ show. It also didn’t help that a number of previous reports including one in ‘Smallville’ magazine had it penned as a ‘Smallville’ spinoff with Justin returning and while I can understand why they had a change of mind ‘cause being tied down to ‘Smallville’s history would have made things difficult for them like they would have had to use the same actress for Black Canary and they wouldn’t have been able to have ‘The Flash’ ‘cause Impulse was in the ‘Smallville universe.’
I don’t think they needed to change Oliver Queen’s personality and background so much though and they could have had him as the multibillionaire and CEO of Queen Industries that arrives at places in limos and has his own private jets ‘cause a lot of ‘Smallville’ fans already knew Oliver Queen/ Green Arrow that way not to mention ‘Smallville’ was on the same network as ‘Arrow’ and it is likely most fans who tuned in to watch ‘Arrow’ watched ‘Smallville’ before it. With ‘Supergirl’ she wasn’t in as many episodes of ‘Smallville’ as some other characters were but in the second half of ‘Smallville’ it was impossible to watch the show and not see him. I just don't understand why they decided to change a character so dramatically when they were already established in live action and make them like another superhero (Batman) but perhaps that was Warner Bros' decision and they didn't think a 'Green Arrow' show could work unless they made him more like Batman and the same went with the 'Supergirl' show being more like Superman 'cause Warner Bros have a long history of only focusing on Batman and Superman.
I totally agree with you about 'Batman' and the Adam West show making the character more well known and it also made Batgirl and Robin and a number of Batman villains like the Joker, the Penguin, Catwoman and the Riddler into household names. A lot of people who argue that lesser known superheroes shouldn't be given a chance on screen forget that there was a time when Batman and Superman were lesser known and a lot of Superman's popularity came from the George Reeves TV show and the 1940s Animations.
Justin was all around a better actor than Stephen Amell. You could tell by his scenes in Smallville he was classically trained because he brought a depth to his performance that Stephen Amell is lacking in Arrow as well as a sense of humour that Stephen doesn’t have.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jul 30, 2018 14:56:10 GMT
Let's not conflate character with actor, Stephen clearly has a sense of humor, if you've ever seen his posts on social media. He's much more laid back than his character. It all comes down to the writing, and the show runners obviously don't know how to balance humor and drama - case in point, The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow.
And it's a shame too. One of the most not able characteristics about Oliver Queen is how much of a philandering Playboy he is, which hasn't really been explored, with possible exception of his one night stand with Isabel Rochev; a plot point that was soon ignored. I believe Stephen has even lamented this, noting how Oliver is supposed to be a billionaire playboy, but is no longer a billionaire and hardly ever sleeps with anyone.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 30, 2018 22:04:46 GMT
We can't have him sleeping around when he's married to Felicity! The Earth would spin off its axis into the sun if that were to happen.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jul 31, 2018 0:02:26 GMT
We can't have him sleeping around when he's married to Felicity! The Earth would spin off its axis into the sun if that were to happen. Sounds like something that might happen anyway, on account of Barry, his daughter or the Keystone Time Cops....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 7:20:33 GMT
You have a good point there with the characters but in the case of the Green Arrow he was already a popular character who appeared in a lot of episodes of the second half of ‘Smallville’ and the reason ‘Arrow’ even got greenlighted was ‘cause of Justin Hartley’s version of the Green Arrow which is why many of his fans thought he was robbed of the role when they first announced Stephen Amell would be playing the Green Arrow in the ‘Arrow’ show. It also didn’t help that a number of previous reports including one in ‘Smallville’ magazine had it penned as a ‘Smallville’ spinoff with Justin returning and while I can understand why they had a change of mind ‘cause being tied down to ‘Smallville’s history would have made things difficult for them like they would have had to use the same actress for Black Canary and they wouldn’t have been able to have ‘The Flash’ ‘cause Impulse was in the ‘Smallville universe.’
I don’t think they needed to change Oliver Queen’s personality and background so much though and they could have had him as the multibillionaire and CEO of Queen Industries that arrives at places in limos and has his own private jets ‘cause a lot of ‘Smallville’ fans already knew Oliver Queen/ Green Arrow that way not to mention ‘Smallville’ was on the same network as ‘Arrow’ and it is likely most fans who tuned in to watch ‘Arrow’ watched ‘Smallville’ before it. With ‘Supergirl’ she wasn’t in as many episodes of ‘Smallville’ as some other characters were but in the second half of ‘Smallville’ it was impossible to watch the show and not see him. I just don't understand why they decided to change a character so dramatically when they were already established in live action and make them like another superhero (Batman) but perhaps that was Warner Bros' decision and they didn't think a 'Green Arrow' show could work unless they made him more like Batman and the same went with the 'Supergirl' show being more like Superman 'cause Warner Bros have a long history of only focusing on Batman and Superman.
I totally agree with you about 'Batman' and the Adam West show making the character more well known and it also made Batgirl and Robin and a number of Batman villains like the Joker, the Penguin, Catwoman and the Riddler into household names. A lot of people who argue that lesser known superheroes shouldn't be given a chance on screen forget that there was a time when Batman and Superman were lesser known and a lot of Superman's popularity came from the George Reeves TV show and the 1940s Animations.
Justin was all around a better actor than Stephen Amell. You could tell by his scenes in Smallville he was classically trained because he brought a depth to his performance that Stephen Amell is lacking in Arrow as well as a sense of humour that Stephen doesn’t have. Let's not conflate character with actor, Stephen clearly has a sense of humor, if you've ever seen his posts on social media. He's much more laid back than his character. It all comes down to the writing, and the show runners obviously don't know how to balance humor and drama - case in point, The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow. And it's a shame too. One of the most not able characteristics about Oliver Queen is how much of a philandering Playboy he is, which hasn't really been explored, with possible exception of his one night stand with Isabel Rochev; a plot point that was soon ignored. I believe Stephen has even lamented this, noting how Oliver is supposed to be a billionaire playboy, but is no longer a billionaire and hardly ever sleeps with anyone. I have to go with Beccy here in thinking Justin Hartley was better as Oliver Queen/ the Green Arrow' in 'Smallville' than Stephen Amell in 'Arrow' but in saying that you are completely right about conflating characters with actors and Stephen Amell does have a sense of humour as I have seen in interviews with him and the problem is not Stephen Amell but the writers who have been writing his character this way and they could have easily wrote him to be more like the Green Arrow is in the comic books and in 'Smallville' but they chose to write him differently and in doing so they ended up with a character that has been referred to as 'Batman Light' by many fans. It is a shame 'cause you bring up a lot of good points and I think a show about Green Arrow would have been the better option and could have worked but much like I have said on here before with 'Supergirl' they have a problem with adapting characters to screen the way they are in comic books and Evelyn was by far one of the worst examples and I have no idea why they thought a teenage girl would a good choice to play this character. She was too young, she didn't have the tattoos, she wasn't a heavy drinker and her personality was nothing like her
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Post by stargazer1682 on Aug 20, 2018 12:41:34 GMT
I mean... Green Arrow has always been "Batman-lite" - right from the start he was clearly modeled on the mold of Bruce Wayne/Batman; starting with being a rich playboy with no family and a penchant for naming everything after his nom de plume, including arrow-plane and even an arrow-plane.
The comics eventually managed to find a unique voice for Oliver; and I also felt the early seasons of Arrow worked at setting him apart.
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Post by deembastille on Aug 20, 2018 13:10:43 GMT
Worst...Jimmy leaving the DP and metropolis. Why?
Kara is too trusting. Far too many people at work know who she is.
Best: the realism in the beginning. How she was questioned when she caused damage to the bridge with the plane. It's good to see some realism in an otherwise unrealistic show.
Dean Cain as papa. Shit: he's like never in it.
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