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Post by pk9 on May 14, 2018 8:15:57 GMT
So she's paranoid enough to worry that the Park staff would send her a host disguised as a guest, which is understandable. But if she's that paranoid, why doesn't she worry that they might have rigged the shooting test too (i.e. make the guy read as "guest" for her weapon)?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 16, 2018 3:09:07 GMT
Well, it'd take a hell of a lot of forethought on theur part to expert her to shoot at a guest to see if he's real.
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Post by pk9 on May 16, 2018 6:58:09 GMT
Uh, did they present the scene like it was the first time she's shot someone to test their humanness?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 22, 2018 4:49:33 GMT
There is no point testing the logic of this show, it doesn't exist.
If firearms cannot kill humans, how come they can when the hosts somehow revolt?
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Post by Marv on May 22, 2018 17:55:59 GMT
There is no point testing the logic of this show, it doesn't exist. If firearms cannot kill humans, how come they can when the hosts somehow revolt? Because of Fords sabotage. There are several instance of the main hub being able to control the various aspects to the show. I assume he turned the lethality meter all the way up. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 23, 2018 2:35:35 GMT
There is no point testing the logic of this show, it doesn't exist. If firearms cannot kill humans, how come they can when the hosts somehow revolt? Because of Fords sabotage. There are several instance of the main hub being able to control the various aspects to the show. I assume he turned the lethality meter all the way up. Then Grace should have killed the guy she was testing. |
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Post by Marv on May 23, 2018 2:40:23 GMT
Because of Fords sabotage. There are several instance of the main hub being able to control the various aspects to the show. I assume he turned the lethality meter all the way up. Then Grace should have killed the guy she was testing. Graces test doesn’t happen before the sabotage by Ford. Fords Death is the night Grace spent with the other guest, the following morning is when Safari World goes to hell because that’s after the revolt in Westworld. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 23, 2018 2:43:56 GMT
Then Grace should have killed the guy she was testing. Graces test doesn’t happen before the sabotage by Ford. Fords Death is the night Grace spent with the other guest, the following morning is when Safari World goes to hell because that’s after the revolt in Westworld. I guess the switch could have happened in between but this "Ford does it all" explanation got old really early. I stopped trying to find any complex logic in this after the Bernard reveal, understanding that this show would throw it to the wind for the sake of drama and "the acting olympics" this thing actually wants to be. I won't even start with the dirt cheap "philosophical" implications it throws at fools. I like it because it's mindlessly fun. Sizemore and Maeve make me laugh. Wiliam's "fuck you Robert" was all I ever wanted  And I like the music, of course. |
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Post by Marv on May 23, 2018 3:09:30 GMT
Graces test doesn’t happen before the sabotage by Ford. Fords Death is the night Grace spent with the other guest, the following morning is when Safari World goes to hell because that’s after the revolt in Westworld. I guess the switch could have happened in between but this "Ford does it all" explanation got old really early. I stopped trying to find any complex logic in this after the Bernard reveal, understanding that this show would throw it to the wind for the sake of drama and "the acting olympics" this thing actually wants to be. I won't even start with the dirt cheap "philosophical" implications it throws at fools. I like it because it's mindlessly fun. Sizemore and Maeve make me laugh. Wiliam's "fuck you Robert" was all I ever wanted And I like the music, of course. Truth be told we are just never really told how the mechanics of it work. All we’re shown early on is that Guests can shoot hosts but hosts can’t shoot guests, fatally. Then all the sudden the hosts have guns that can. Whether they are different altogether or just some kind of a setting within the parks world...we don’t really know. I think back to The MiBs explosion in season 1 to get out of a cell somewhere and how the operators were able to control it via their computers. So I assume the same situation exists for the guns. But I really don’t spent a lot of time thinking about it when I’m watching. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 23, 2018 3:18:53 GMT
I guess the switch could have happened in between but this "Ford does it all" explanation got old really early. I stopped trying to find any complex logic in this after the Bernard reveal, understanding that this show would throw it to the wind for the sake of drama and "the acting olympics" this thing actually wants to be. I won't even start with the dirt cheap "philosophical" implications it throws at fools. I like it because it's mindlessly fun. Sizemore and Maeve make me laugh. Wiliam's "fuck you Robert" was all I ever wanted And I like the music, of course. Truth be told we are just never really told how the mechanics of it work. All we’re shown early on is that Guests can shoot hosts but hosts can’t shoot guests, fatally. Then all the sudden the hosts have guns that can. Whether they are different altogether or just some kind of a setting within the parks world...we don’t really know. I think back to The MiBs explosion in season 1 to get out of a cell somewhere and how the operators were able to control it via their computers. So I assume the same situation exists for the guns. But I really don’t spent a lot of time thinking about it when I’m watching. The show breaks its own rules. It told us how time consuming it is to train hosts (and even showed it with Elsie and that water pouring guy) then wants us to accept that Ford could build and train his own, much more advanced Bernard undetected. Since the writing will cheat to get its twists down, theorising is pointless. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 23, 2018 14:53:07 GMT
Just started watching S2E04. When Bernard comes to Elsie with a rifle to shoot hosts, Elsie picks it up and points it at him as if she knew it could work even though she thinks him human.
More nonsense…
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Post by Marv on May 23, 2018 23:43:21 GMT
Just started watching S2E04. When Bernard comes to Elsie with a rifle to shoot hosts, Elsie picks it up and points it at him as if she knew it could work even though she thinks him human. More nonsense… Elsie doesn’t think Bernard is human. She had already been attacked by him and they even have a dialog about Ford controlling him or something. She knows he’s a host. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 24, 2018 2:59:25 GMT
Just started watching S2E04. When Bernard comes to Elsie with a rifle to shoot hosts, Elsie picks it up and points it at him as if she knew it could work even though she thinks him human. More nonsense… Elsie doesn’t think Bernard is human. She had already been attacked by him and they even have a dialog about Ford controlling him or something. She knows he’s a host. She just realised he was one. She didn't seem too surprised but I suppose that's just how they portray programmers. That episode cruelly lacked humour. Not a good one. When they found Delos at the end, they suddenly knew exactly what they had to do without question then wondered who it was afterwards. The writing keeps getting worse. |
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Post by Marv on May 24, 2018 3:12:30 GMT
Elsie doesn’t think Bernard is human. She had already been attacked by him and they even have a dialog about Ford controlling him or something. She knows he’s a host. She just realised he was one. She didn't seem too surprised but I suppose that's just how they portray programmers. That episode cruelly lacked humour. Not a good one. When they found Delos at the end, they suddenly knew exactly what they had to do without question then wondered who it was afterwards. The writing keeps getting worse. I think she knew already. But I’d have to rewatch it again to see if anything sticks out. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 24, 2018 3:15:40 GMT
She just realised he was one. She didn't seem too surprised but I suppose that's just how they portray programmers. That episode cruelly lacked humour. Not a good one. When they found Delos at the end, they suddenly knew exactly what they had to do without question then wondered who it was afterwards. The writing keeps getting worse. I think she knew already. But I’d have to rewatch it again to see if anything sticks out. She didn't. She had a very quick moment of realisation when she said "but you rotated out, had a family to go to, a wife… you had a backstory!" |
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Post by Marv on May 24, 2018 3:39:12 GMT
I think she knew already. But I’d have to rewatch it again to see if anything sticks out. She didn't. She had a very quick moment of realisation when she said "but you rotated out, had a family to go to, a wife… you had a backstory!" I remember that now. |
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Post by Morgana on Jun 28, 2018 10:56:24 GMT
Graces test doesn’t happen before the sabotage by Ford. Fords Death is the night Grace spent with the other guest, the following morning is when Safari World goes to hell because that’s after the revolt in Westworld. I guess the switch could have happened in between but this "Ford does it all" explanation got old really early. I stopped trying to find any complex logic in this after the Bernard reveal, understanding that this show would throw it to the wind for the sake of drama and "the acting olympics" this thing actually wants to be. I won't even start with the dirt cheap "philosophical" implications it throws at fools. I like it because it's mindlessly fun. Sizemore and Maeve make me laugh. Wiliam's "fuck you Robert" was all I ever wanted And I like the music, of course. I agree with you about the Ford thing. It's just too much. I also found it ridiculous that the man in black, who was shot five or six times, was still able to talk, walk and crawl around, and even shoot others. When I saw at the end that he was still alive, and a human, (because I thought it would make sense if he turned out to be a host) that was where I rolled my eyes at the show. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Jun 28, 2018 11:37:51 GMT
I guess the switch could have happened in between but this "Ford does it all" explanation got old really early. I stopped trying to find any complex logic in this after the Bernard reveal, understanding that this show would throw it to the wind for the sake of drama and "the acting olympics" this thing actually wants to be. I won't even start with the dirt cheap "philosophical" implications it throws at fools. I like it because it's mindlessly fun. Sizemore and Maeve make me laugh. Wiliam's "fuck you Robert" was all I ever wanted And I like the music, of course. I agree with you about the Ford thing. It's just too much. I also found it ridiculous that the man in black, who was shot five or six times, was still able to talk, walk and crawl around, and even shoot others. When I saw at the end that he was still alive, and a human, (because I thought it would make sense if he turned out to be a host) that was where I rolled my eyes at the show. Except he is a host, as you can see by the after credits scene. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 28, 2018 11:52:02 GMT
I agree with you about the Ford thing. It's just too much. I also found it ridiculous that the man in black, who was shot five or six times, was still able to talk, walk and crawl around, and even shoot others. When I saw at the end that he was still alive, and a human, (because I thought it would make sense if he turned out to be a host) that was where I rolled my eyes at the show. Except he is a host, as you can see by the after credits scene. Oh, they did that too? Yes, that scene in which everyone gets shot and no one dies was too much. Hosts are programmed to "die" realistically when shot so they should. So when was he swapped? When did Host-William appear? Where is the real one? Or is the host just a backup who goes to work while real William enjoys himself? Where can I get my work-host? |
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Post by Morgana on Jun 28, 2018 13:15:24 GMT
I agree with you about the Ford thing. It's just too much. I also found it ridiculous that the man in black, who was shot five or six times, was still able to talk, walk and crawl around, and even shoot others. When I saw at the end that he was still alive, and a human, (because I thought it would make sense if he turned out to be a host) that was where I rolled my eyes at the show. Except he is a host, as you can see by the after credits scene. I saw a review of the finale, and regarding the after credits scenes, they said that the man in black was a host, but not the one through the series. So I'm confused. |
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