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Post by novastar6 on Mar 21, 2017 13:01:15 GMT
Evidently Jack wasn't the only one slashing up girls in Whitechapel at the time. Makes you wonder why he stands out the most. No evidence he had sex with his victims but given how mutilated they were especially in the genital region, who can be sure? I believe that John Douglas profiled him as being disorganized which would explain an inconsistent pattern, but I suppose there's also the issue of being interrupted given they were done on public streets and somebody could've come up. I wonder how much influence the press had at the time of these incidents? It must of been a big seller and when one paper is doing great on a story, the other's must surely follow and add to it, the standards for publishing were 'anything that sells- goes, even liable if you could get away with it.' There were recent reports of Jack the Ripper's identity having been solved through DNA fingerprinting but those tests were later proved inconclusive. The more that you start to dig into this case, the more the evidence sends you into a hundred different directions, no wonder people have been talking about this case for years and years. Will have to see how many 'Jack the Ripper' books and novels have been sold over the years, would probably be astonished. Too many to count, that's for sure. On the subject of DNA...I started reading a book about Thomas Jefferson, and it talks about the myth that he impregnated his 14 year old slave and was the father of 1 or all of her children. In 1998 there was a report it was proven by DNA. Now I'm reading this, and I'm saying to myself they couldn't even prove Jack the Ripper's ID with DNA, and Jefferson would be going a lot further back than Whitechapel...well it turns out it was a false report because all his male offspring were dead, so there was no direct DNA to take from his bloodline, only an uncle's, which showed SOME Jackson DNA with one child, not all, not the first, and given there were 10 Jackson male relatives in the vicinity at the time, does not conclude it was Thomas that was responsible. But of course most people are still going to believe 'DNA doesn't lie', even though the report was apparently retracted, but no public attention was paid to that so it might as well never been printed. I've noticed people tried the same thing with Jack the Ripper 'the DNA doesn't lie, it has to be true', and then they conclude it's actually inconclusive and we're all back to square one. |
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Post by tarathian123 on Mar 21, 2017 13:43:38 GMT
novastra said...That DNA attempt was during Patricia Cornwall's ludicrous and now totally debunked televised investigation naming the artist Walter Sickert as Jack. It was called "Stalking the Ripper". www.imdb.com/title/tt0395597/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1It was the silliest effort of all, and apparently cost her $6M. She herself even admitted later that she had got it wrong. For what it's worth my review at the time (under benbrae) was www.imdb.com/title/tt0395597/reviews?ref_=tt_urvI think the details of Cornwall's investigation are on the "Casebook". (see links in the OP). |
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Post by Morgana on Mar 25, 2017 9:15:53 GMT
I think the greatest possibility is of it being one of these two people: Aaron Kosminski Or |
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Post by tarathian123 on Mar 25, 2017 9:58:55 GMT
Aaron is certainly one of most Ripperologist's front-runners, and high on the police list too. But not on mine. I think the police at the time were looking for a "quick fix", and he was one of them.
Haven't gone into Marriott's ideas of "no single Jack", nor his suspect Carl Feigenbaum. I shall do so forthwith. He's not listed in the Casebook suspects as far as I can see. Thanks for the head's up on that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 2:16:56 GMT
He was surgeon named John Leslie Stevenson. The reason he stopped killing is because he travelled forward in time to the 70s by stealing a friends time machine. Nope... wait, my mistake. That was the plot of Time After Time. Never mind. I kinda liked that movie. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 15:10:49 GMT
You know there's a TV show now, right?
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Post by hi224 on Mar 26, 2017 19:24:33 GMT
A dude as well.
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Post by hi224 on Mar 27, 2017 3:33:34 GMT
He was OJ actually.
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Post by theravenking on Apr 5, 2017 19:02:18 GMT
He was an alien entity that took over human bodies and committed the murders. " Who ever he is, he sure talks gloomy!" There is actually a short story about this. Sherlock Holmes investigates the Ripper killings and it turns out the victims were killed by a xenomorph from the Alien universe. Sounds terrible and I didn't care much for the story, but at least the theory isn't lacking in imagination. |
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 9, 2017 23:34:35 GMT
Some planets in the galaxy of Andromeda must be just about seeing the first Holmes movies made. So maybe the little green men with two heads are turning him into one of theirs. Elementary my dear Watsons.
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Post by lunda2222 on Aug 2, 2017 12:10:57 GMT
My best guess was someone tied to the medical profession, a surgeon or a doctor. Dr Frederick Gordon Brown, the City of London Police Surgeon, stated that the person who inflicted the wounds on Catherine Eddowes would have required a good deal of knowledge as to the position of the organs in the abdominal cavity and the way of removing them. Best clue. Or a butcher. A butcher knows the position of organs in animals, but that don't translate very well into humans (well, except for pigs, but nobody knew that at the time) |
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Post by novastar6 on Aug 2, 2017 12:50:11 GMT
A butcher knows the position of organs in animals, but that don't translate very well into humans (well, except for pigs, but nobody knew that at the time) If he was a butcher and butchered hogs, and if he'd killed before, he would've known. |
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Post by lunda2222 on Aug 2, 2017 12:51:28 GMT
At least one of those are rumors of killings that may never have happened. Several are victims that survived attacks by knives to the abdomen and speculated or claimed to have been attacked by the ripper. If they genuinely thought so or they wanted to sell their story (not a new phenomenon) is unknown. One or more was bodies that was dismembered and some people thought so at the time. And so on. The place was a hotbed of rumors at the time. Even among "the canonical five" there are some dispute, but at least three of them (Nichols, Chapman, and Eddowes) are most likely done by The Ripper.
The victims where prostitutes, so one can safely assume they had sex with most likely more than one people quite recently. With the Ripper? The police at the time had no way of knowing. Most modern criminal pshycholists seem to doubt it, at least according to the 5-6 documentaries I've seen on the subject (don't quote me on that though). But it doesn't exclude it.
Which is one of the reasons there is dispute on whether all the bodies are linked to the same killer. But there are othere circumstances as well, such as time restraints and one may have been interrupted.
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Post by lunda2222 on Aug 2, 2017 13:08:19 GMT
A butcher knows the position of organs in animals, but that don't translate very well into humans (well, except for pigs, but nobody knew that at the time) If he was a butcher and butchered hogs, and if he'd killed before, he would've known. You are right. I was under the impression that the physical similarities was fairly recent knowledge, but it seems I confused a few articles I read a few years ago about DNA similarities and the structure of the organs. The organ thing has been known since ancient Rome. |
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Aug 2, 2017 19:21:44 GMT
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Post by maya55555 on Aug 7, 2017 0:01:58 GMT
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 13, 2017 13:34:46 GMT
He was an alien entity that took over human bodies and committed the murders. " Who ever he is, he sure talks gloomy!" There is actually a short story about this. Sherlock Holmes investigates the Ripper killings and it turns out the victims were killed by a xenomorph from the Alien universe. Sounds terrible and I didn't care much for the story, but at least the theory isn't lacking in imagination. I was going to say the same thing, in fact—I also read that story. And did anyone here read John Sladek's Black Aura? A hilarious Holmes-Ripper "theory" there, with a most unlikely culprit... |
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 13, 2017 13:38:57 GMT
My thoughts have always centered around the notion that Jack was a back-alley abortionist, which seems to make sense under the circumstances.
Or that there was more than one "Jack" in the area. But I confess I'm not as well-read in the case as I probably should be; the Ripper has been investigated so much, and so often, that I prefer to look into less-heralded cases.
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