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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 12:31:01 GMT
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Post by BexxyJ on Jul 30, 2018 14:27:09 GMT
Now we're talking. You know me all too well. That's my type of movie. Kill all the fucking cheesy costume wearing superheroes. Cut their heads off and shoot them in the head to make sure none of their superpowers help them come back. All you pillow hopping bastards need to die. When you put it that way I am actually quite surprised it hasn't already been adapted into a movie 'cause it would be a great way to make a parody movie about superheroes and there haven't been that many parodies of superhero movies which is funny 'cause you wouldn't think it would be a hard genre to make fun of with some of the funny looking costumes you are always bringing up. There was also another one called 'Evil Ernie vs the Movie Monsters.' You never showed me that one before. What Horror monsters were in that? Superhero flicks deserve to be mocked more. I gotta heap of jokes they could use. There are unrealistic and can't be taken seriously and the cheesy costumes and the megalomaniac villain trying to take over the world are just the icing on the cake.
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Post by BexxyJ on Jul 30, 2018 14:28:45 GMT
If any monster is going to take out Captain America it's going to be Frankenstein in a Nazi uniform. You know, I am surprised with the amount of Horror comic books Marvel have they haven't adapted any others outside of 'Blade' and I have said on other sections I think it would be awesome if they adapted a movie of Elsa Bloodstone and with the right writers an 'Elsa Bloodstone' movie could be Marvel's 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer', 'Resident Evil' and 'Underworld' combined.
Damn. Those are 2 I would watch. Where are the monsters and zombies in the MCU? How can you have a world with superheroes but not have monsters?
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 30, 2018 22:26:36 GMT
I know, right? Marvel needs to bring on the monsters!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 13:02:21 GMT
When you put it that way I am actually quite surprised it hasn't already been adapted into a movie 'cause it would be a great way to make a parody movie about superheroes and there haven't been that many parodies of superhero movies which is funny 'cause you wouldn't think it would be a hard genre to make fun of with some of the funny looking costumes you are always bringing up. There was also another one called 'Evil Ernie vs the Movie Monsters.' You never showed me that one before. What Horror monsters were in that? Superhero flicks deserve to be mocked more. I gotta heap of jokes they could use. There are unrealistic and can't be taken seriously and the cheesy costumes and the megalomaniac villain trying to take over the world are just the icing on the cake. There were a number of famous Horror characters that appeared in it like Freddy Krueger, Jason Vorhees, Michael Myers, Chucky, Pinhead, Dracula, the Wolfman, Frankenstein and even the Creature From the Black Lagoon and Godzilla appeared and it was very much the 'Who's who of Horror' and I don't know where it is now 'cause I haven't read it for a long time but it would be in one of the boxes.
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Post by General Kenobi on Aug 15, 2018 13:22:09 GMT
Anyone else remember the time J. Jonah Jameson yelled at Godzilla?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 13:29:59 GMT
Anyone else remember the time J. Jonah Jameson yelled at Godzilla? No. I wasn't aware that Godzilla appeared in 'Spider-Man.' Did you see the old 'Spider Woman' animated TV show? It had her fighting a number of Horror monsters like in this episode below.
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Post by BexxyJ on Aug 27, 2018 7:59:57 GMT
You never showed me that one before. What Horror monsters were in that? Superhero flicks deserve to be mocked more. I gotta heap of jokes they could use. There are unrealistic and can't be taken seriously and the cheesy costumes and the megalomaniac villain trying to take over the world are just the icing on the cake. There were a number of famous Horror characters that appeared in it like Freddy Krueger, Jason Vorhees, Michael Myers, Chucky, Pinhead, Dracula, the Wolfman, Frankenstein and even the Creature From the Black Lagoon and Godzilla appeared and it was very much the 'Who's who of Horror' and I don't know where it is now 'cause I haven't read it for a long time but it would be in one of the boxes. That should be a movie. Why is that not a movie but that Goddamn Chips remake and the Emoki movie were? Who asked for them?
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Post by General Kenobi on Aug 27, 2018 10:57:05 GMT
Marketing. Marketing thinks they know what audiences want when they don't know jack.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 12:56:03 GMT
There were a number of famous Horror characters that appeared in it like Freddy Krueger, Jason Vorhees, Michael Myers, Chucky, Pinhead, Dracula, the Wolfman, Frankenstein and even the Creature From the Black Lagoon and Godzilla appeared and it was very much the 'Who's who of Horror' and I don't know where it is now 'cause I haven't read it for a long time but it would be in one of the boxes. That should be a movie. Why is that not a movie but that Goddamn Chips remake and the Emoki movie were? Who asked for them? Marketing. Marketing thinks they know what audiences want when they don't know jack. It is sad reading about some of the movies that were supposed to go through years ago and the ones that came out in their place 'cause some of them sounded like they could have been really good and you are left wondering what the hell they were thinking releasing the others that went on to be giant flops. They often don't know what the audiences want but still claim to despite flop after flop and when one is a success they take all the credit for it and make out they knew it was going to be a big hit the whole time.
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 24, 2018 13:30:17 GMT
Yep. The film industry is littered with "What Might Have Been". Like Hammer's Vampirella movie, George Romero's Resident Evil, Tom Savini's Vampirates, or Jeffrey Combs as Doctor Strange.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 14:05:50 GMT
Yep. The film industry is littered with "What Might Have Been". Like Hammer's Vampirella movie, George Romero's Resident Evil, Tom Savini's Vampirates, or Jeffrey Combs as Doctor Strange. Sadly it is and what interests me is I have heard some of them were filmed but just weren't ever released and I wonder if some of those will see the light of day in the future 'cause they spent all that money filming them and if there are fans who are willing to pay money to see them you think they would release them on DVD or something for people to see instead of letting them go to waste or do they destroy the footage when they decide it isn't being released?
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 2, 2018 15:32:52 GMT
I think a lot of the problem with them being released on home video is copyright. Those who made the film no longer have the rights, and those who do have no interest in releasing the film. Mostly out of embarrassment. As is the case with The Star Wars Holiday Special.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 11:57:36 GMT
I think a lot of the problem with them being released on home video is copyright. Those who made the film no longer have the rights, and those who do have no interest in releasing the film. Mostly out of embarrassment. As is the case with The Star Wars Holiday Special. Yeah. You are most likely right with that. Although, there is always a chance those who own the rights might release things like that one day when new owners take over or they are taken over by other companies and I am surprised Disney doesn't want the rights for the 'Star Wars Holiday Special' just 'cause it is a 'Star Wars' program and they don't have to worry about anybody else making money on that but if a property like 'Star Wars' is owned by a company like Disney for example wouldn't a company who owned the rights for a program like that have to work with the people who own the franchise and have their permission to release it? Dazz was saying on another thread Fox and Sony can't release anything Marvel related unless they have the okay from Marvel so shouldn't it be the same with the 'Star Wars Holiday Special' or the unreleased 'Fantastic Four' movie that Marvel should have some say over?
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Post by dazz on Oct 19, 2018 23:22:21 GMT
I think Disney owns the rights to all the SW stuff except the original cut of ANH until the Fox deal is finalised, but it's they don't want the god awful holiday special out there because it was just a lazy cash grab even George Lucas regrets and he still thinks Han shouldn't have shot first so you know if Lucas can admit ok yeah that's bad you know it sucks.
As for why not release other stuff same reason really, it's all a game of gains and losses how much can releasing this film on this platform cost and how much will it earn, will what it earns out of curiosity outweigh the negative blowback?
You know Disney has a few films in their vault they never want seeing the light of day ever again just because of backlash and bad press they could generate, also there's no incentive to release stuff from decades ago if they are dogshit, which is why any films made wouldn't get released, and not releasing them doesn't hurt the companies, they already ate that loss and no new film is going to make releasing a decades old movie worthwhile really, except something like Disney getting the original SW film rights that they could repackage for 4K and stuff and sell for a mint to the hardcore film and SW nerds.
You gotta think none of those films are going to have the star of the film suddenly become a big star which they hope they can cash in on like people like J-Law or Jack Black, have had happen after they got big, they are all ancient by modern standards films and the monetary value for them is negligible, and with some attached to mega IP's that shit can be way more harmful than helpful.
Also it's not so much Marvel has to ok everything, but Marvel can veto shit if they want to, they just don't bother because it's unlikely they can veto stuff until the licensing runs out to fuck other studios into giving back the IP's, so they basically just let stuff happen that way they can collect their production split and be on their way, from what I understand atleast.
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 20, 2018 13:31:18 GMT
And if anyone wants to know what is Disney's secret shame they keep locked up in the vault it's Song of the South.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 10:43:23 GMT
I think Disney owns the rights to all the SW stuff except the original cut of ANH until the Fox deal is finalised, but it's they don't want the god awful holiday special out there because it was just a lazy cash grab even George Lucas regrets and he still thinks Han shouldn't have shot first so you know if Lucas can admit ok yeah that's bad you know it sucks. As for why not release other stuff same reason really, it's all a game of gains and losses how much can releasing this film on this platform cost and how much will it earn, will what it earns out of curiosity outweigh the negative blowback? You know Disney has a few films in their vault they never want seeing the light of day ever again just because of backlash and bad press they could generate, also there's no incentive to release stuff from decades ago if they are dogshit, which is why any films made wouldn't get released, and not releasing them doesn't hurt the companies, they already ate that loss and no new film is going to make releasing a decades old movie worthwhile really, except something like Disney getting the original SW film rights that they could repackage for 4K and stuff and sell for a mint to the hardcore film and SW nerds. You gotta think none of those films are going to have the star of the film suddenly become a big star which they hope they can cash in on like people like J-Law or Jack Black, have had happen after they got big, they are all ancient by modern standards films and the monetary value for them is negligible, and with some attached to mega IP's that shit can be way more harmful than helpful. Also it's not so much Marvel has to ok everything, but Marvel can veto shit if they want to, they just don't bother because it's unlikely they can veto stuff until the licensing runs out to fuck other studios into giving back the IP's, so they basically just let stuff happen that way they can collect their production split and be on their way, from what I understand atleast. Okay. Thanks for letting me know about that Dazz. I am kinda confused over why Fox owns the rights for the original cut of ‘A New Hope’ and not Disney after they bought ‘Star Wars’ from George ‘cause I thought George would have owned everything ‘Star Wars’ related and when it was first announced he was selling ‘Star Wars’ to Disney a lot of his fans were saying it was a mistake ‘cause the franchise was worth billions or trillions of dollars. I don’t think it was worth trillions but Disney must have paid George Lucas a lot of money to get the rights of ‘Star Wars’ off him and I am surprised he didn’t do a deal with them that allowed him to still be involved in it ‘cause he was recently saying he regretted it but he is working on a series of novels which would have been his versions of Episode 7, 8 and 9 so it could be that he still owns a small percentage of ‘Star Wars’ or Disney have done a deal with him.
It will be interesting to see what George’s versions of Episodes 7, 8 and 9 are like and it could settle a lot of the fighting between fans who think ‘The Force Awakens’ and ‘The Last Jedi’ ruined ‘Star Wars’ and things would have been better if it had been left it in the hands of George Lucas. I have seen the fights over the Special Editions of the movies in the original trilogy and to be honest I don’t see most of the complaints they are talking about especially in ‘A New Hope’ and I think the Special Editions of the movies looked better than the original versions and I liked what they did to Cloud City and how it was edited on the computer to show the city more. Yes. The whole “nooooo” part that was added to the scene where Darth Vadar turned good and saved Luke and threw the Emperor to his death might have sounded silly to some fans but it mirrored him doing it at the end of ‘Revenge of the Sith’ when he found out Padmae was dead.
The biggest thing that stands out to me in ‘Return of the Jedi’ when Luke was talking to the Emperor is why he doesn’t ask him what happened to his face ‘cause his face looks horrible and that would be one of the first things I would be thinking if I saw the Emperor. We find out what happened to his face in ‘Revenge of the Sith’ and it is Samuel L. Jackson that causes that when they were battling and the Emperor shoots lightning from his fingers and Samuel blocks him with the lightsaber and it goes back at him and disfigures his face but the whole way through the original trilogy it wasn’t answered why the Emperor was so hideous and disfigured or if he was even human. I mean I am not even sure if Snoke if an alien now or human ‘cause they said on a site a lot of his scars were a result of a battle we didn’t see and he could have been human before and the battle left him looking like that.
You are most likely right about it being a game of gains and losses and some of those things might be better off not being released now ‘cause they could do more harm than good to some franchises and make them into jokes but I don’t know, I still think there could be some unreleased movies out there that are a lot better than the studios thought they were and could be popular ‘cause it has happened with unreleased songs and novels that weren’t released until years later. I mean some of the B-sides Oasis had were good examples of this and the record label didn’t think they were good enough to be on an album and they become loved by fans and three of their B-Sides were re-released as singles a decade later and made it into the Top 10 on the charts. They do release some movies actors and actresses filmed before they died and Brittany Murphy's final film came out years later.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 10:45:26 GMT
And if anyone wants to know what is Disney's secret shame they keep locked up in the vault it's Song of the South. Is that the really racist film they won't release on DVD? I can't remember the name of it but I remember reading there was one racist movie Disney refuses to release 'cause of racism and many people who have seen it have said it should never see the light of day again but I never saw it myself so I can't comment.
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Post by dazz on Nov 11, 2018 13:30:17 GMT
And if anyone wants to know what is Disney's secret shame they keep locked up in the vault it's Song of the South. Is that the really racist film they won't release on DVD? I can't remember the name of it but I remember reading there was one racist movie Disney refuses to release 'cause of racism and many people who have seen it have said it should never see the light of day again but I never saw it myself so I can't comment. Not sure if it's racist as I cant recall if I ever saw it or not, plot seems somewhat familiar but then a lot of films back then do to me, I think it's more that the film portrays slavery in such a rose tinted manner it's offensive by modern standards even for a Disney film, then again a lot of stuff over 30 years old can be considered very racist, sexist or plain insensitive by modern standards.
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Post by dazz on Nov 11, 2018 13:58:47 GMT
I think Disney owns the rights to all the SW stuff except the original cut of ANH until the Fox deal is finalised, but it's they don't want the god awful holiday special out there because it was just a lazy cash grab even George Lucas regrets and he still thinks Han shouldn't have shot first so you know if Lucas can admit ok yeah that's bad you know it sucks. As for why not release other stuff same reason really, it's all a game of gains and losses how much can releasing this film on this platform cost and how much will it earn, will what it earns out of curiosity outweigh the negative blowback? You know Disney has a few films in their vault they never want seeing the light of day ever again just because of backlash and bad press they could generate, also there's no incentive to release stuff from decades ago if they are dogshit, which is why any films made wouldn't get released, and not releasing them doesn't hurt the companies, they already ate that loss and no new film is going to make releasing a decades old movie worthwhile really, except something like Disney getting the original SW film rights that they could repackage for 4K and stuff and sell for a mint to the hardcore film and SW nerds. You gotta think none of those films are going to have the star of the film suddenly become a big star which they hope they can cash in on like people like J-Law or Jack Black, have had happen after they got big, they are all ancient by modern standards films and the monetary value for them is negligible, and with some attached to mega IP's that shit can be way more harmful than helpful. Also it's not so much Marvel has to ok everything, but Marvel can veto shit if they want to, they just don't bother because it's unlikely they can veto stuff until the licensing runs out to fuck other studios into giving back the IP's, so they basically just let stuff happen that way they can collect their production split and be on their way, from what I understand atleast. Okay. Thanks for letting me know about that Dazz. I am kinda confused over why Fox owns the rights for the original cut of ‘A New Hope’ and not Disney after they bought ‘Star Wars’ from George ‘cause I thought George would have owned everything ‘Star Wars’ related and when it was first announced he was selling ‘Star Wars’ to Disney a lot of his fans were saying it was a mistake ‘cause the franchise was worth billions or trillions of dollars. I don’t think it was worth trillions but Disney must have paid George Lucas a lot of money to get the rights of ‘Star Wars’ off him and I am surprised he didn’t do a deal with them that allowed him to still be involved in it ‘cause he was recently saying he regretted it but he is working on a series of novels which would have been his versions of Episode 7, 8 and 9 so it could be that he still owns a small percentage of ‘Star Wars’ or Disney have done a deal with him.
It will be interesting to see what George’s versions of Episodes 7, 8 and 9 are like and it could settle a lot of the fighting between fans who think ‘The Force Awakens’ and ‘The Last Jedi’ ruined ‘Star Wars’ and things would have been better if it had been left it in the hands of George Lucas. I have seen the fights over the Special Editions of the movies in the original trilogy and to be honest I don’t see most of the complaints they are talking about especially in ‘A New Hope’ and I think the Special Editions of the movies looked better than the original versions and I liked what they did to Cloud City and how it was edited on the computer to show the city more. Yes. The whole “nooooo” part that was added to the scene where Darth Vadar turned good and saved Luke and threw the Emperor to his death might have sounded silly to some fans but it mirrored him doing it at the end of ‘Revenge of the Sith’ when he found out Padmae was dead.
The biggest thing that stands out to me in ‘Return of the Jedi’ when Luke was talking to the Emperor is why he doesn’t ask him what happened to his face ‘cause his face looks horrible and that would be one of the first things I would be thinking if I saw the Emperor. We find out what happened to his face in ‘Revenge of the Sith’ and it is Samuel L. Jackson that causes that when they were battling and the Emperor shoots lightning from his fingers and Samuel blocks him with the lightsaber and it goes back at him and disfigures his face but the whole way through the original trilogy it wasn’t answered why the Emperor was so hideous and disfigured or if he was even human. I mean I am not even sure if Snoke if an alien now or human ‘cause they said on a site a lot of his scars were a result of a battle we didn’t see and he could have been human before and the battle left him looking like that.
You are most likely right about it being a game of gains and losses and some of those things might be better off not being released now ‘cause they could do more harm than good to some franchises and make them into jokes but I don’t know, I still think there could be some unreleased movies out there that are a lot better than the studios thought they were and could be popular ‘cause it has happened with unreleased songs and novels that weren’t released until years later. I mean some of the B-sides Oasis had were good examples of this and the record label didn’t think they were good enough to be on an album and they become loved by fans and three of their B-Sides were re-released as singles a decade later and made it into the Top 10 on the charts. They do release some movies actors and actresses filmed before they died and Brittany Murphy's final film came out years later. From what I believe Fox owns the original cut of ANH because they paid for it, Lucas I think after the success of ANH and the SW franchise then funded the films himself Fox was just his distributor & partner, but Lucas owned the films himself, but he owns all the rights to the special editions and such which is why when Disney brought Lucasfilm they still got Eps 1-6.
Some of the SE changes I don't mind, I don't get the hate for the CGI monster that eats Boba Fett, I honestly don't think a pit with spikes is all that great to begin with, so it's a wash for me there, keep in mind I never have seen the OG films, I only saw them after the SE came out in 97, but a lot I kind of do get because so much of the added stuff is pointless or stupid the song and dance number in ROTJ, Han treading on Jabba's tail in ANH, guys falling off their creature in ANH, poor editing to make Greedo shoot first 20 years after everyone loved Han despite him straight up murdering Greedo anyway.
The one that's got the best treatment is ESB because yeah adding to the beauty of cloud city is a change that works and makes it all feel bigger and better, I don't get the complaints about the snow beast that catches Luke, see more of less of him I don't think it makes much difference, I think though also a lot of issues is Lucas continuously meddling over the years, he changes stuff people don't like it so he changes more in the same vein, no one likes Hayden as Anakin yet Lucas decides to switch out the original Anakin actor for Hayden in ROTJ's ending, then theres daft shit like digitally removing Anakin's eyebrows when Luke unmasks him which is just like ok whatever George you waste your money mate.
Generally though the feeling is that everytime he altered the films he turned them further away from the OT style of films and closer to the PT style and the PT are not that well loved, where as the OT is.
As for the sale it was for over $4b and Lucas gets a % of Lucasfilm profits going foward, don't know if he owns any stake in the franchises though, but iirc when he sold he had stipulations for Disney such as Kennedy being the new boss of Lucasfilm and that the SE's were the official SW films, I don't know if he legally can write his own SW stuff to sell, he could do it for free obviously but if he intends to sell the stuff either he would need to do so partnered with Lucasfilm or he would have to change things enough to make it avoid copyright issues.
As for releasing old unreleased films I just think unless you somehow have say a film from 20 years ago with a then teen Michael B Jordan or something like that who features heavily enough in the film you can sell it on that as a misdirect theres not likely going to be enough interest in it for a big release, now you could do it as like part of a collection, which honestly could be a fun thing for a studio to do, find films with established talent before they got big and release them as the unseen collection on home media or better yet on streaming, I think that maybe something we see with everyone wanting their own service now that to bulk up their libraries studios will put out unreleased films just in the hopes of maybe this will get in a % of niche fans who will sign up just for the exclusivity of seeing these films you cannot find elsewhere.
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