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Post by Eλευθερί on Jun 1, 2018 0:48:11 GMT
Which of the following statements comes closest to your own feelings?
(a) The Bible is the Word of God and should be taken literally, word for word
(b) The Bible is the Word of God as God inspired men to write it; it contains some human errors and some imagery that is not to be taken literally, word for word
(c) The Bible is NOT the word of God
(d) I don't know
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Post by gadreel on Jun 1, 2018 0:53:30 GMT
Which of the following statements comes closest to your own feelings? (a) The Bible is the Word of God and should be taken literally, word for word (b) The Bible is the Word of God as God inspired men to write it; it contains some human errors and some imagery that is not to be taken literally, word for word (c) The Bible is NOT the word of God (d) I don't know I voted not the word of God™. I was going to vote inspired but with human error, but I believe that some things were put in intentionally for the purposes of control. To be clear, I also believe parts are inspired by God™. |
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Post by redhorizon on Jun 1, 2018 1:07:41 GMT
It's just a book.
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Post by drystyx on Jun 1, 2018 1:19:59 GMT
For me, the closest answer was "inspired mostly with human errors", not so much for mistakes in translation, although the very Tower of Babel proves that has to be the case if we believe the Bible, but mostly because the good God puts them in the garden, tells them not to partake of a tree, and they do.
After which, they are confronted by someone claiming to be the good God, but this character doesn't act like the good God. In fact, he is more of a second devil, blaming those most helpless for what those with more power did. He even persuades them that it is a "tree of knowledge", instead of the obvious "tree of confusion".
And logic dictates that if the Bible correctly stated this fruit from the tree would make them fall, then the fact is that Adam and Eve couldn't possibly identify God correctly later, and the fact is that this devil would pretend to be God. That's just a fact. Sherlock Holmes would have to deduce this. Of course every time Sherlock played deduce, Watson would cover it up with "de trey" and take the trick.
Therefore, all souls and flesh are born of a devil. We're actually created by a devil, and that's why Jesus had to "ransom" us.
That's the puzzle of the Bible, but if that's true, it means the Devil has the authority and resources to confuse us when we get close to the truth, so a "Gnostic Church" is impossible to organize. Therefore, Gnostics have to settle for more fundamental churches to be a part of.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jun 1, 2018 1:20:41 GMT
In the United States Pew Research 2014Overall (35,000 surveyed) 31% Word of God; should be taken literally 27% Word of God; not everything taken literally 33% Not the word of God 3% Word of God; other/don't know 7% Other/don't know Evangelical Protestants (8,600 surveyed) 55% Word of God; should be taken literally 9% Word of God; not everything taken literally 8% Not the word of God 4% Word of God; other/don't know 4% Other/don't know Catholic (7,200 surveyed) 26% Word of God; should be taken literally 36% Word of God; not everything taken literally 28% Not the word of God 3% Word of God; other/don't know 8% Other/don't know Mainline Protestant (6,100 surveyed) 24% Word of God; should be taken literally 35% Word of God; not everything taken literally 28% Not the word of God 3% Word of God; other/don't know 9% Other/don't know Black Protestant (1,900 surveyed) 59% Word of God; should be taken literally 23% Word of God; not everything taken literally 9% Not the word of God 3% Word of God; other/don't know 6% Other/don't know Jewish (850 surveyed) The Hebrew scriptures are ... 11% Word of God; should be taken literally 24% Word of God; not everything taken literally 55% Not the word of God 2% Word of God; other/don't know 8% Other/don't know The Bible is the Word of God; should be taken literally35% of Baby Boomers agree 29% of Gen X'ers agree 10% of Millennials agree The Bible is NOT the word of God27% of Baby Boomers agree 27% of Gen X'ers agree 19% of Millennials agree www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/interpreting-scripture/ NORC General Social Survey 2016 (2,900 surveyed)
32% The Bible is the actual word of God and is to be taken literally, word for word 44% The Bible is the inspired word of God but not everything in it should be taken literally, word for word 22% The Bible is an ancient book of fables, legends, history, and moral precepts written by men 14% Other (volunteered) 1% Don't know 0% No answer/no applicable library.uvm.edu/sites/default/files/gss/2016_GSS_Codebook.pdf |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 1, 2018 1:31:19 GMT
The important thing to understand about whether the Bible is "inerrant" is that many people do appear to be able to read it differently if not thus incorrectly. The Bible might be perfect, but people are not. The question then becomes what difference does it make how perfect the Bible is if you are not? My answer to your question is a bit different than you expected. No, there is no way for imperfect human beings to be certain what the Bible means within the Bible itself. It requires guidance by a perfect Holy Spirit and that is rather difficult to identify as well. Nowhere in the Bible does it claim to be "inerrant." Nowhere in the Bible does God promise to send a book for the salvation of anyone. God promises to send a "prophet" (or prophets) who will speak God's words. Some people believe only the Pope can do that. Others believe that the Holy Spirit is evident in various preachers and teachers. Again it's difficult to know what or whom to trust. When you sit down and relax and think about it, it's really a very stupid question whether the Bible is inerrant. How to Read Holy Scriptures |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jun 1, 2018 1:44:38 GMT
The important thing to understand about whether the Bible is "inerrant" is that many people do appear to be able to read it differently if not thus incorrectly. The Bible might be perfect, but people are not. The question then becomes what difference does it make how perfect the Bible is if you are not? My answer to your question is a bit different than you expected. No, there is no way for imperfect human beings to be certain what the Bible means within the Bible itself. It requires guidance by a perfect Holy Spirit and that is rather difficult to identify as well. Nowhere in the Bible does it claim to be "inerrant." Nowhere in the Bible does God promise to send a book for the salvation of anyone. God promises to send a "prophet" (or prophets) who will speak God's words. Some people believe only the Pope can do that. Others believe that the Holy Spirit is evident in various preachers and teachers. Again it's difficult to know what or whom to trust. When you sit down and relax and think about it, it's really a very stupid question whether the Bible is inerrant. How to Read Holy Scriptures Why would the omniscient and omnibenevolent God, with every possible means of communication at His disposal, allow for there to be any impediments in people's being able to understand His Word? You do not really have Choice if you cannot understand what the options are. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 1, 2018 1:56:11 GMT
The important thing to understand about whether the Bible is "inerrant" is that many people do appear to be able to read it differently if not thus incorrectly. The Bible might be perfect, but people are not. The question then becomes what difference does it make how perfect the Bible is if you are not? My answer to your question is a bit different than you expected. No, there is no way for imperfect human beings to be certain what the Bible means within the Bible itself. It requires guidance by a perfect Holy Spirit and that is rather difficult to identify as well. Nowhere in the Bible does it claim to be "inerrant." Nowhere in the Bible does God promise to send a book for the salvation of anyone. God promises to send a "prophet" (or prophets) who will speak God's words. Some people believe only the Pope can do that. Others believe that the Holy Spirit is evident in various preachers and teachers. Again it's difficult to know what or whom to trust. When you sit down and relax and think about it, it's really a very stupid question whether the Bible is inerrant. How to Read Holy Scriptures Why would the omniscient and omnibenevolent God, with every possible means of communication at His disposal, allow for there to be any impediments in people's being able to understand His Word? You do not really have Choice if you cannot understand what the options are. God might have been "omnibenevolent," whatever that means, in the Garden of Eden. Clue for you, you are not in the Garden of Eden. My answer is the right answer. Your poll is the problem. |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jun 1, 2018 2:11:59 GMT
Clue for you, you are not in the Garden of Eden. My answer is the right answer. Your poll is the problem. Not lacking in confidence, are you? |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 1, 2018 2:22:12 GMT
Clue for you, you are not in the Garden of Eden. My answer is the right answer. Your poll is the problem. Not lacking in confidence, are you? There are people whose criticism I take very seriously. You are not among them yet. |
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Jun 1, 2018 5:54:56 GMT
It is not. I cant even imagine thinking that it was.
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 1, 2018 6:10:56 GMT
That's the correct one. so naturally, I did not vote in the poll since that option is not listed.
basically the Catholic church interprets the bible correctly since it's the church Jesus Christ started and the one He guides.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jun 1, 2018 10:01:51 GMT
Not lacking in confidence, are you? There are people whose criticism I take very seriously. You are not among them yet. The feeling is mutual.  |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 1, 2018 10:18:49 GMT
There are people whose criticism I take very seriously. You are not among them yet. The feeling is mutual. I'm sure it is. To be fair, I'm old and probably had a lot more practice than you. |
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Post by Morgana on Jun 1, 2018 10:44:07 GMT
Which of the following statements comes closest to your own feelings? (a) The Bible is the Word of God and should be taken literally, word for word (b) The Bible is the Word of God as God inspired men to write it; it contains some human errors and some imagery that is not to be taken literally, word for word (c) The Bible is NOT the word of God (d) I don't know I voted not the word of God™. I was going to vote inspired but with human error, but I believe that some things were put in intentionally for the purposes of control. To be clear, I also believe parts are inspired by God™. I was going to vote the same, but scrolled down and read your post. I'm glad I did, because that's how I feel. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 1, 2018 12:03:58 GMT
The important thing to understand about whether the Bible is "inerrant" is that many people do appear to be able to read it differently if not thus incorrectly. The Bible might be perfect, but people are not... When you sit down and relax and think about it, it's really a very stupid question whether the Bible is inerrant. It is not such a stupid question though, especially given its complex textual history and transmission by these same imperfect people, to ask where exactly the Bible is errant. Don't all shout at once, now... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 12:23:43 GMT
The bible is a book written by humans and inspired by humans. It has nothing to do with God.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jun 1, 2018 18:36:59 GMT
No, and no 'ifs, ands or buts'.
Neither is the Bhagavad Gita, the Torah, the Quran or any other human written document.
And, to be crystal clear, there is no god to say words.
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 1, 2018 21:41:29 GMT
No, and no 'ifs, ands or buts'. Neither is the Bhagavad Gita, the Torah, the Quran or any other human written document. And, to be crystal clear, there is no god to say words. Bhagvad Gita ( which is actually just a chapter inside the epic Mahabharata) should actually be a book to tell how people create gods. In the early parts of Mahabharata, the sun (God Surya) was the most powerful entity. Then Shaivites interpolated it and for that reasons there are many chapters in Mahabharata which says Shiva is all in all everything. Then Vaisjnavites interpolated it and added their own stuff. They made an otherwise normal character of the book - krishna - into an incarnation of Vishnu. Finally, the deity called Krishna became the central character of the book and became so famous that some Vaishnavites then started claiming Krishna is the god and Vishnu is his incarnation. I believe anyone with interest should read Mahabharata as to learn how the legends of gods were created. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 22:17:23 GMT
I voted that I don't know, since I don't.
I rather doubt it, though.
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