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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 4, 2018 1:17:45 GMT
" "No, it would not be statable," or anything roughly equivalent to either. You instead talked about other differences. But I didn't ask you about that. I asked if the different understanding would be statable. That's a very specific issue. And no, I wasn't actually comparing football and sex. Apparently you didn't understand that comment. IF YOU WEREN'T COMPARING FOORBALL TO SEX.... THEN IT WOULD BE POINTLESS TO TALK ABOUT CONSENTING TO FOOTBALL IN A CONVERSATION ABOUT CONSENTING TO SEX. WHY BRING UP FOOTBALL IN THE FIRST PLACE? YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY COMPARING THE TWO.. Explained for the 5th time. I did answer it. My answer was that the difference should be obvious to any sane person. You know who doesn't worry about whether or not 8-year olds can or can not consent to sex? Sane people who aren't pedophiles.
Also... I was setting up my next response to merely be "I said 'good day, sir.".... but, your response proved to be more stupid than I could have imagined and I thought I needed to counter that stupidity with an actual response.
My bad. "The difference should be obvious" tells us nothing about whether you think that the difference in understanding is statable. You could think that the difference in understanding is obvious but ineffable, for example.
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Post by Vegas on Jun 4, 2018 1:35:01 GMT
Better late than never....
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 4, 2018 1:44:02 GMT
Better late than never.... Cool.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jun 4, 2018 3:41:25 GMT
dear lord, is the pro-pedo pontificator at it again? i imagine this will go on for sixty or seventy posts until someone gets a semi and walks off cock in hand. Which one were you betting on to 'win'?
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Post by thefleetsin on Jun 4, 2018 15:09:45 GMT
dear lord, is the pro-pedo pontificator at it again? i imagine this will go on for sixty or seventy posts until someone gets a semi and walks off cock in hand. Which one were you betting on to 'win'? i would compare these to a tempest in a teapot. but the teapot exploded years ago!
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Post by Lugh on Jun 6, 2018 14:22:59 GMT
Zen ferret was entertaining.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 7, 2018 9:16:33 GMT
Today at work something reminded me of Ishishi-Simburgh, and I can't believe I forgot to include her in my earlier post. She was such a nice lady, although it was difficult to understand her sometimes. I think she spoke only French and used a translator when she posted in English, and the translator didn't always translate exactly.
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Post by islandmur on Jun 7, 2018 10:22:15 GMT
IF YOU WEREN'T COMPARING FOORBALL TO SEX.... THEN IT WOULD BE POINTLESS TO TALK ABOUT CONSENTING TO FOOTBALL IN A CONVERSATION ABOUT CONSENTING TO SEX. WHY BRING UP FOOTBALL IN THE FIRST PLACE? YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY COMPARING THE TWO.. Explained for the 5th time. I did answer it. My answer was that the difference should be obvious to any sane person. You know who doesn't worry about whether or not 8-year olds can or can not consent to sex? Sane people who aren't pedophiles.
Also... I was setting up my next response to merely be "I said 'good day, sir.".... but, your response proved to be more stupid than I could have imagined and I thought I needed to counter that stupidity with an actual response.
My bad. "The difference should be obvious" tells us nothing about whether you think that the difference in understanding is statable. You could think that the difference in understanding is obvious but ineffable, for example. Physically a child can play the flute, play football, there is nothing about his / her body that is not prepared for those type of activities. With children his / her own age. You would not place a kid in an adult football team. Physically and mentally a child is not ready for sexual intercourse. Even with the onset of puberty children are not ready to deal with sex, they can't even handle the changes in their bodies and minds for the most part. And while they might test those feelings with their peers on an even playing field with an adult they are at a disadvantage and in a position of being abused and used.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 7, 2018 13:25:09 GMT
"The difference should be obvious" tells us nothing about whether you think that the difference in understanding is statable. You could think that the difference in understanding is obvious but ineffable, for example. Physically a child can play the flute, play football, there is nothing about his / her body that is not prepared for those type of activities. With children his / her own age. You would not place a kid in an adult football team. Physically and mentally a child is not ready for sexual intercourse. Even with the onset of puberty children are not ready to deal with sex, they can't even handle the changes in their bodies and minds for the most part. And while they might test those feelings with their peers on an even playing field with an adult they are at a disadvantage and in a position of being abused and used. Aren't there emotional aspects to playing music?
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 7, 2018 13:26:48 GMT
At least you're admitting that it's purely emotional there. People are going to naturally be emotional over something they would understandably feel upset by though. That is just how people operate. Although you have also made a valid and rational argument about the concept of consent, and the selective reasoning behind it, children are going to be protected no matter what. We know most people have children born out of their emotional neediness and self-fulfillment, so it's then all emotion. Unless someone is Christ and can transcend this, it's not going to be escaped. Yeah, I'm not saying that they shouldn't have the views they do or that they shouldn't have a stance on something that's purely emotional. Just admit what it is, though (and be self-aware enough to realize what it is).
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Post by Vegas on Jun 7, 2018 13:35:01 GMT
People are going to naturally be emotional over something they would understandably feel upset by though. That is just how people operate. Although you have also made a valid and rational argument about the concept of consent, and the selective reasoning behind it, children are going to be protected no matter what. We know most people have children born out of their emotional neediness and self-fulfillment, so it's then all emotion. Unless someone is Christ and can transcend this, it's not going to be escaped. Yeah, I'm not saying that they shouldn't have the views they do or that they shouldn't have a stance on something that's purely emotional. Just admit what it is, though (and be self-aware enough to realize what it is). It's not just emotion... Do you honestly not see a difference between an 18-year old and an 8-year old? Are there any differences in your head? I'm gonna assume yes... because... You can't be that fucking stupid: Do you not understand that those differences have significance? People change as they mature both physically and mentally. You not being able to understand this basic concept is mind boggling... and a little creepy.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 7, 2018 13:38:24 GMT
Yeah, I'm not saying that they shouldn't have the views they do or that they shouldn't have a stance on something that's purely emotional. Just admit what it is, though (and be self-aware enough to realize what it is). It's not just emotion... Do you honestly not see a difference between an 18-year old and an 8-year old? Are there any differences in your head? I'm gonna assume yes... because... You can't be that fucking stupid: Do you not understand that those differences have significance? People change as they mature both physically and mentally. You not being able to understand this basic concept is mind boggling... and a little creepy. No two numerically distinct things are the same. Realism about universals/types is a mistaken view. Nominalism is rather the accurate view. So an 18-year-old and an 8-year-old are different, just as two 8-year-olds are different.
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Post by Vegas on Jun 7, 2018 13:39:51 GMT
No two numerically distinct things are the same. Realism about universals/types is a mistaken view. So an 18-year-old and an 8-year-old are different, just as two 8-year-olds are different. Good. Now shut the fuck up and keep your dick away from 8-year olds. Glad we finally sorted this out.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 7, 2018 13:41:38 GMT
No two numerically distinct things are the same. Realism about universals/types is a mistaken view. So an 18-year-old and an 8-year-old are different, just as two 8-year-olds are different. Good. Now shut the fuck up and keep your dick away from 8-year olds. Glad we finally sorted this out. Which is a purely emotional response. It's worth you realizing that.
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Post by islandmur on Jun 7, 2018 13:43:51 GMT
Physically a child can play the flute, play football, there is nothing about his / her body that is not prepared for those type of activities. With children his / her own age. You would not place a kid in an adult football team. Physically and mentally a child is not ready for sexual intercourse. Even with the onset of puberty children are not ready to deal with sex, they can't even handle the changes in their bodies and minds for the most part. And while they might test those feelings with their peers on an even playing field with an adult they are at a disadvantage and in a position of being abused and used. Aren't there emotional aspects to playing music? Emotions are part of the make up of being human. However one must learn to deal with different types of emotions and certain emotions can be handled early and others not. A child can not handle the emotions that comes from sex too early because just as his/her body is not ready for it, neither is her/his mind. It is the role of parents and society / community to prepare a child for life as an adult. Adults do not let children overindulge in food because they would get sick (even if the child consented), you steer them away from all types of danger whether they want it or not. It is your job as an adult to make certain they interact with things when they are ready for it and not before.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 7, 2018 13:45:48 GMT
Aren't there emotional aspects to playing music? Emotions are part of the make up of being human. However one must learn to deal with different types of emotions and certain emotions can be handled early and others not. A child can not handle the emotions that comes from sex too early because just as his/her body is not ready for it, neither is her/his mind. It is the role of parents and society / community to prepare a child for life as an adult. Adults do not let children overindulge in food because they would get sick (even if the child consented), you steer them away from all types of danger whether they want it or not. It is your job as an adult to make certain they interact with things when they are ready for it and not before. Can kids handle the emotions involved with playing music?
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Post by Vegas on Jun 7, 2018 13:46:22 GMT
Good. Now shut the fuck up and keep your dick away from 8-year olds. Glad we finally sorted this out. Which is a purely emotional response. It's worth you realizing that. As far as this topic is concerned: You are a fucking idiot. Not emotion.... Pure fact.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 7, 2018 13:48:38 GMT
Which is a purely emotional response. It's worth you realizing that. As far as this topic is concerned: You are a fucking idiot. Not emotion.... Pure fact. Obviously that's emotional, since there aren't facts re whether people are idiots.
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Post by Vegas on Jun 7, 2018 13:51:44 GMT
Emotions are part of the make up of being human. However one must learn to deal with different types of emotions and certain emotions can be handled early and others not. A child can not handle the emotions that comes from sex too early because just as his/her body is not ready for it, neither is her/his mind. It is the role of parents and society / community to prepare a child for life as an adult. Adults do not let children overindulge in food because they would get sick (even if the child consented), you steer them away from all types of danger whether they want it or not. It is your job as an adult to make certain they interact with things when they are ready for it and not before. Can kids handle the emotions involved with playing music? Are you seriously comparing playing music to sex? No.... Of course you aren't ..... but we all know that you are. How the hell are you so stupid that you can't tell the difference between basic concepts? A child having the ability to dress himself doesn't mean that he has the mental ability to make life-changing decisions or actions.
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Post by Vegas on Jun 7, 2018 13:53:07 GMT
As far as this topic is concerned: You are a fucking idiot. Not emotion.... Pure fact. Obviously that's emotional, since there aren't facts re whether people are idiots. Oh... Your posts are factual enough to make that fact a fact.
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