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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 6, 2018 19:04:31 GMT
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Post by audiosane on Jun 6, 2018 20:43:58 GMT
I wonder what Episode IX's box office returns will be. Will Kennedy be fired before or after it releases?
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jun 6, 2018 22:24:44 GMT
How'd that TFA boycott go? Or the RO one.? Or the TLJ one? And yes, the MRAs and I'm-not-racists did boycott those movies.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 6, 2018 22:27:13 GMT
Let's be real though, subtract the fanboys' tantrums, were audiences really excited for this? Was the press as kind reporting progress on the production compared with earlier films?
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 7, 2018 17:44:13 GMT
How'd that TFA boycott go? Or the RO one.? Or the TLJ one? And yes, the MRAs and I'm-not-racists did boycott those movies. There was no (real) TFA boycott. It was just something a few sparingly voiced about. The only people who attempted to boycott Rogue One were genuine misogynists masquerading as Star Wars fans. I know this to be a fact because I was on the old, original IMDb (Rogue One) message boards. They were partially flooded with misogynists posts who were normally on the 'Politics' board. All they did was talk about why Jyn shouldn't be a lead character or action heroine because she was a woman... and it was unrealistic for a woman to be one... her being one emasculated male characters and male society. It was the same argument over and over again. Never anything as pertains to SW. And they were the only ones threatening to boycott. Very few had intended to boycott TLJ because no one knew what to expect. But after a month of really strong numbers at the box office, fanbase displeasure started to have an effect. TLJ finished $200 million shy of expectations. That was the start of things. And now it's continuing over into Solo: A Star Wars Story.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 7, 2018 17:53:19 GMT
Let's be real though, subtract the fanboys' tantrums, were audiences really excited for this? Was the press as kind reporting progress on the production compared with earlier films? I see your point but Rogue One didn't receive kind press when it came to production either. At least partly. There was a lot made about that films massive reshoots. Also, NO Star Wars film has ever tanked at the box office before. Not even the "hated" prequels. That's saying something considering that the fanbase still supported that trilogy at the box office despite the polarizing feelings that were going on towards them.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 7, 2018 18:45:08 GMT
I wonder what Episode IX's box office returns will be. Will Kennedy be fired before or after it releases? There's a rumor going around that Kay Kennedy is going to be fired but seems to be invalid gossip. I haven't seen anything that substantiates it yet. I still have my doubts she will before episode IX. She has a year and a half - (longer than any of the other Disney SW films since TFA) - to tweak things. That longer period could help cool some of the backlash. But I also can't help feeling that at this late stage into the trilogy they're going to "shove all of their chips to the middle of the table." It's going to be a MarySue montage!... a Rey hi-light reel with ROTJ rehash as a backdrop. All the signals point to this is what they've been working towards anyway. I think episode IX is going to do less at the box office than TLJ. How they do the story is probably going to remind fans who didn't like TLJ why they didn't like it. And there's really nothing left to tell except for Reylo.
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Post by audiosane on Jun 7, 2018 19:26:17 GMT
I wonder what Episode IX's box office returns will be. Will Kennedy be fired before or after it releases? There's a rumor going around that Kay Kennedy is going to be fired but seems to be invalid gossip. I haven't seen anything that substantiates it yet. I still have my doubts she will before episode IX. She has a year and a half - (longer than any of the other Disney SW films since TFA) - to tweak things. That longer period could help cool some of the backlash. But I also can't help feeling that at this late stage into the trilogy they're going to "shove all of their chips to the middle of the table." It's going to be a MarySue montage!... a Rey hi-light reel with ROTJ rehash as a backdrop. All the signals point to this is what they've been working towards anyway. I think episode IX is going to do less at the box office than TLJ. How they do the story is probably going to remind fans who didn't like TLJ why they didn't like it. And there's really nothing left to tell except for Reylo. Yeah. I'm sure things will cool to some degree, but there will always be a hardcore group of fans who will try to stir things up again. I'm also not sure that fans disappointed with TLJ will have much to get them excited for IX. For example, I no longer have anything to look forward to with Finn. He's stuck in the bumbling comic relief sidekick role. Will he now get it on both ends from Rey and Rose? I heard that Abrams is going to rehash moments from Episodes I-VI in order to "tie the trilogies together". I would be amazed if they pushed Rey further into being a Mary Sue. That would be crazy if IX did worse than TLJ because ROTJ and ROTS did better than the middle trilogy film, respectively. Fans were curious to see how things ended. Maybe not so much this time. I'm certainly not planning on seeing IX in theaters, especially if Kennedy's still around.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 7, 2018 21:10:29 GMT
There's a rumor going around that Kay Kennedy is going to be fired but seems to be invalid gossip. I haven't seen anything that substantiates it yet. I still have my doubts she will before episode IX. She has a year and a half - (longer than any of the other Disney SW films since TFA) - to tweak things. That longer period could help cool some of the backlash. But I also can't help feeling that at this late stage into the trilogy they're going to "shove all of their chips to the middle of the table." It's going to be a MarySue montage!... a Rey hi-light reel with ROTJ rehash as a backdrop. All the signals point to this is what they've been working towards anyway. I think episode IX is going to do less at the box office than TLJ. How they do the story is probably going to remind fans who didn't like TLJ why they didn't like it. And there's really nothing left to tell except for Reylo. Yeah. I'm sure things will cool to some degree, but there will always be a hardcore group of fans who will try to stir things up again. I'm also not sure that fans disappointed with TLJ will have much to get them excited for IX. For example, I no longer have anything to look forward to with Finn. He's stuck in the bumbling comic relief sidekick role. Will he now get it on both ends from Rey and Rose? I agree. There's nothing to look forward to with the arc of any these characters. It only seems to be a matter of answering what's going to happen with Reylo. Unless that makes you drool I can't see what would be appealing about episode IX. Interesting. But his track record has me expecting he will mostly rehash ROTJ. He has to prove to me that he will break the mold. Unfortunately I wouldn't. I just can't see them working this hard to establish Rey as a MarySue only to abandon it now. > Not needing training or Kylo to be injured to defeat Kylo in the mind probe. > Not needing training to defeat Kylo in the duel in the forest. > Flying as good or better than Poe in TFA despite only having taken a few trips up in a ship. > Being chosen by Leia to go alone to find Luke. > Not needing any training from Luke in TLJ. (Yes, she got one lesson from him. But it proved to be virtually unnecessary). > Gunning down ships better than Poe, Han, or Luke; and it was her first time. > Writing Luke as a cowardly hermit who is worthless as a mentor. And then dies without ever really using his skills, just being a momentary distraction. Why work that hard to establish Rey as an incomparable MarySue to abandon it or suppress it now? I just can't see it. In fact I think they're going to cut loose and have her be more MarySue than ever before. I guess we'll see. Well I think you just pointed to part of it right there. There's nothing left to be curious about... except for how Reylo turns out. And I think episode IX is also going to drive away fans sick of the MarySue, since I'm actually expecting that to happen, believe it or not. Although I admit hardcore Rey fans are going to go bananas over it.
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Post by MooseNugget on Jun 8, 2018 5:33:56 GMT
I think it was the terrible timing that killed this movie.
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Post by alpha128 on Jun 8, 2018 11:47:06 GMT
I think it was the terrible timing that killed this movie. It's true that competition from "Infinity War" and "Deadpool 2" hurt the performance of "Solo" during its opening weekend. But during its second weekend, "Solo" was unopposed by major new releases and still suffered a 65% decline. As Box Office Prophets notes:
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Post by MooseNugget on Jun 8, 2018 11:50:08 GMT
I think it was the terrible timing that killed this movie. It's true that competition from "Infinity War" and "Deadpool 2" hurt the performance of "Solo" during its opening weekend. But during its second weekend, "Solo" was unopposed by major new releases and still suffered a 65% decline. As Box Office Prophets notes: I meant releasing another Star Wars film several months after the last installment.
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Post by alpha128 on Jun 8, 2018 12:19:34 GMT
I meant releasing another Star Wars film several months after the last installment. Thank you for the clarification. Close spacing hasn't been a negative factor for Marvel. The top two grossing films of 2018 are both Marvel Studios films, and they were released 10 weeks apart. I think the difference is that "Black Panther" was good and left audiences wanting more Marvel, while "The Last Jedi" was bad and left audiences unenthusiastic (to say the least) to see more Star Wars.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 8, 2018 16:36:53 GMT
I meant releasing another Star Wars film several months after the last installment. Thank you for the clarification. Close spacing hasn't been a negative factor for Marvel. The top two grossing films of 2018 are both Marvel Studios films, and they were released 10 weeks apart. I think the difference is that "Black Panther" was good and left audiences wanting more Marvel, while "The Last Jedi" was bad and left audiences unenthusiastic (to say the least) to see more Star Wars. Great statistics! Excellent point! You could even take it a step further than that. Deadpool 2 is a third Marvel movie not suffering from franchise exhaustion. It's making $100 million more domestic than Solo and almost 2 and a half times as much worldwide. The stats tell the story. Despite the other arguments and excuses, it's obvious that the most valid explanation to Solo flopping at the box office is fanbase alienation and backlash.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 8, 2018 16:37:47 GMT
I'm probably a 6/10 on the SW fandom scale. I don't need SW to be great to like it. It does scuk though that The Last Jedi & Solo are better than only The Phantom Menace.
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