Post by goz on Jun 13, 2018 22:33:52 GMT
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It's not "putting aside" how humans view things. It's locating phenomena accurately. In a typical kitchen, beers don't cool outside of the refrigerator. They cool inside the refrigerator. It's pegging the location of a phenomenon.
And in our universe, purposes do not occur outside of persons' minds. They are a phenomenon of persons' minds. We're simply locating things accurately.
Honestly I am totally lost in your argument.
I have no idea what you mean by locating things accurately, however since that is the term you used, how do you locate breasts accurately? in layman's terms please I am not a scholar.
If i were to follow your argument "typically breast do not produce milk until a body has gone trough pregnancy" "pregnancy does not occur until a body has gone through puberty"
My stance is simple and you can label it however you like.
Just because you can force a penis through a vagina at any age, does not mean the vagina is prepared for it.
There are reasons why a body matures and grows (wheter it's nature or my perception or my emotions) and that body goes through changes, through different stages and each stages has the ability for more complex behavior (that includes mentally). The age at which a body is judged to have reached final maturity is the early 20's, the stage which the body is judged to have passed puberty is 15-18.
Puberty is a process which converts the body from childhood to adulthood, capable of procreation.
Yes one can have sex with a body before during and after puberty, however what one thinking person can do and should do are not the same thing.
And i'm done with this topic, because there is no way for me to follow your thinking as I think it's needlessly convoluted.
I couldn't agree more. I am done with this now too. I am finding it increasingly difficult to make any sense of the arguments, nor see any benefit to society or more particularly the people involved, from this ridiculous faux theoretical viewpoint. Any system involved to take into account a competency base over age base would be too cumbersome, expensive and in my opinion is filled with minefields in its impracticability. Whilst I believe in individual differences, we all live in a society which requires some consistency in the application of laws and societal responsibilities.
Contrary to other posters, I see consent to sex as a different category from such things as getting a driving licence, drinking alcohol, joining the military etc. There are levels of understanding, physical mental and emotional maturity involved which are IMHO particular and peculiar to consenting to have sex. I agree with you that the age of consent laws currently in use in most Western societies do an adequate if nor perfect job. Of course there will be exceptional circumstances in some cases, butt laws are for the benefit of and protection of the averages in the population of a society. That is just the way it is, and IMHO should remain. The end.
I understand that you believe it's not just your thinking that there are purposes, but nevertheless, there are no purposes in the world outside of us thinking in terms of purposes. There's nothing that a breast or anus or anything else can do or that can be done to it that's not its "function" if you want to use that term. You're thinking about it in terms of some subset of the things that a body part can do--so that you're excluding the body part itching, getting cancer, bouncing, being an entryway for various things etc.--and seeing that as the "function." But everything that a body part can do, including all of the stuff that I mentioned, would be its "function" if you want to call it that.
It's not "putting aside" how humans view things. It's locating phenomena accurately. In a typical kitchen, beers don't cool outside of the refrigerator. They cool inside the refrigerator. It's pegging the location of a phenomenon.
And in our universe, purposes do not occur outside of persons' minds. They are a phenomenon of persons' minds. We're simply locating things accurately.
Nothing has a function, but everything it can do is its function.
We are locating things accurately
We are locating things accurately
If i were to follow your argument "typically breast do not produce milk until a body has gone trough pregnancy" "pregnancy does not occur until a body has gone through puberty"
My stance is simple and you can label it however you like.
Just because you can force a penis through a vagina at any age, does not mean the vagina is prepared for it.
There are reasons why a body matures and grows (wheter it's nature or my perception or my emotions) and that body goes through changes, through different stages and each stages has the ability for more complex behavior (that includes mentally). The age at which a body is judged to have reached final maturity is the early 20's, the stage which the body is judged to have passed puberty is 15-18.
Puberty is a process which converts the body from childhood to adulthood, capable of procreation.
Yes one can have sex with a body before during and after puberty, however what one thinking person can do and should do are not the same thing.
And i'm done with this topic, because there is no way for me to follow your thinking as I think it's needlessly convoluted.
Contrary to other posters, I see consent to sex as a different category from such things as getting a driving licence, drinking alcohol, joining the military etc. There are levels of understanding, physical mental and emotional maturity involved which are IMHO particular and peculiar to consenting to have sex. I agree with you that the age of consent laws currently in use in most Western societies do an adequate if nor perfect job. Of course there will be exceptional circumstances in some cases, butt laws are for the benefit of and protection of the averages in the population of a society. That is just the way it is, and IMHO should remain. The end.