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Post by connork1011 on Feb 10, 2017 13:54:29 GMT
Superman returned to the silver screen in Bryan Singer's 2006 epic.... then he left for another seven years. Needless to say, this soft-reboot of the Superman franchise wasn't as successful as WB was hoping it would be. Does that make it a bad movie though? In my honest opinion, no. I firmly believe Superman Returns is one of the most underrated superhero films of all time. It was more character-driven, less action-packed, and somber. Audiences who saw it in Summer 2006 weren't looking for that, and as a result, it underperformed. Still a good movie though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 15:32:10 GMT
It's not a bad movie. It was just the wrong movie to make. They needed a clean reboot. And it definitely needed more action.
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Post by becauseiambatmanoffg on Feb 10, 2017 15:43:57 GMT
I really dislike Superman Returns. Found it a poor rehash of the Donner film with Lex again having a land plot. The movie overall was rather dull. It should have tried to be its own thing instead of being a love letter to the Donner film.
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Post by srb3 on Feb 10, 2017 21:01:37 GMT
Superman returned to the silver screen in Bryan Singer's 2006 epic.... then he left for another seven years. Needless to say, this soft-reboot of the Superman franchise wasn't as successful as WB was hoping it would be. Does that make it a bad movie though? In my honest opinion, no. I firmly believe Superman Returns is one of the most underrated superhero films of all time. It was more character-driven, less action-packed, and somber. Audiences who saw it in Summer 2006 weren't looking for that, and as a result, it underperformed. Still a good movie though. Agreed. One of the best, if not the best Superman film. |
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Post by brownstones on Feb 11, 2017 3:20:40 GMT
I got to disagree, personally it didn't work for me, and rather than going into a full on rant, I will simply say it seemed indecisive in what it wanted to be.
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Post by connork1011 on Feb 11, 2017 18:41:46 GMT
I find it ironic that one of the reasons Superman Returns was so loathed by the fanbase was the lack of action. Then we get Man of Steel, which is nothing but action, and people still don't seem to like it. WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE WANT!?
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Post by connork1011 on Feb 11, 2017 21:34:47 GMT
I find it ironic that one of the reasons Superman Returns was so loathed by the fanbase was the lack of action. Then we get Man of Steel, which is nothing but action, and people still don't seem to like it. WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE WANT!? I had no idea how much I didn't want Man of Steel until I saw it. The thing about Superman Returns is, it was clearly made with a lot of care and love for the character and mythology. That cannot be said about Man of Steel. In my opinion. I agree completely. I view Superman Returns as a love letter to Superman in general, instead of just the Donner Films. I see a lot of the classic Fleischer Bros. cartoons in the design and nostalgic feel of the film. Man of Steel was just uninspired. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 3:26:26 GMT
Plus, there's also the fact the film asserts Superman knocked up Lois and then skipped town for a few years.
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Post by brownstones on Feb 12, 2017 14:25:39 GMT
Plus, there's also the fact the film asserts Superman knocked up Lois and then skipped town for a few years. another aspect that bothered me |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 20:35:48 GMT
What's even more baffling about that decision is Singer ADORES Superman. I know he was just trying to do something different, but someone really needed to second guess some of his decisions. This is why I'm not an avid fan of the "filmmaker-driven approach" to superhero films.
"No, Mr. Singer, Superman is NOT going to knock up Lois and then skip town for a few years."
"No, Mr. Singer, we are not going to rehash Luthor's scheme from the 1978 Donner film. Scaling it up to a whole continent of Kryptonite still doesn't make it different enough."
"No, Mr. Singer, the fans are tired of Kryptonite. Now, there is a whole line-up of super villains in Superman's Rogue's Gallery that are a physical match for him. Pick one. No, we're not using Zod again!"
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Feb 13, 2017 0:56:32 GMT
What's even more baffling about that decision is Singer ADORES Superman. I know he was just trying to do something different, but someone really needed to second guess some of his decisions. This is why I'm not an avid fan of the "filmmaker-driven approach" to superhero films. "No, Mr. Singer, Superman is NOT going to knock up Lois and then skip town for a few years." "No, Mr. Singer, we are not going to rehash Luthor's scheme from the 1978 Donner film. Scaling it up to a whole continent of Kryptonite still doesn't make it different enough." "No, Mr. Singer, the fans are tired of Kryptonite. Now, there is a whole line-up of super villains in Superman's Rogue's Gallery that are a physical match for him. Pick one. No, we're not using Zod again!" "No, Mr. Singer, Superman is NOT going to be in a comma for the whole third act of the movie." It was a tough sell. Singer wanted the audiences to love and remember Donner's Superman but at the time Smallville was a massive hit on TV. Singer is the kind of asshole who thinks he knows better than the audience and ends up making piss poor decisions (X-Men: Apocalypse aka X-Men: The Mockingjay). He's a Russian Roulette, you can get good or bad material from him. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 1:11:06 GMT
"Or least find a better reason for him to be IN a comma. Like, you know, he and the villain BOTH took massive damage during the final act."
His writing crew should have been the Bruce Timm and his regulars.
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Post by brownstones on Feb 13, 2017 1:48:44 GMT
What's even more baffling about that decision is Singer ADORES Superman. I know he was just trying to do something different, but someone really needed to second guess some of his decisions. This is why I'm not an avid fan of the "filmmaker-driven approach" to superhero films. "No, Mr. Singer, Superman is NOT going to knock up Lois and then skip town for a few years." "No, Mr. Singer, we are not going to rehash Luthor's scheme from the 1978 Donner film. Scaling it up to a whole continent of Kryptonite still doesn't make it different enough." "No, Mr. Singer, the fans are tired of Kryptonite. Now, there is a whole line-up of super villains in Superman's Rogue's Gallery that are a physical match for him. Pick one. No, we're not using Zod again!" "No, Mr. Singer, Superman is NOT going to be in a comma for the whole third act of the movie." It was a tough sell. Singer wanted the audiences to love and remember Donner's Superman but at the time Smallville was a massive hit on TV. Singer is the kind of asshole who thinks he knows better than the audience and ends up making piss poor decisions (X-Men: Apocalypse aka X-Men: The Mockingjay). He's a Russian Roulette, you can get good or bad material from him. I honestly doubt Smallville had an effect on anything other than viewers saying "make Tom Welling superman!!!!" the movie fell on its own merits, being indecisive. and Singer isn't a great director. |
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Feb 13, 2017 1:52:48 GMT
"No, Mr. Singer, Superman is NOT going to be in a comma for the whole third act of the movie." It was a tough sell. Singer wanted the audiences to love and remember Donner's Superman but at the time Smallville was a massive hit on TV. Singer is the kind of asshole who thinks he knows better than the audience and ends up making piss poor decisions (X-Men: Apocalypse aka X-Men: The Mockingjay). He's a Russian Roulette, you can get good or bad material from him. I honestly doubt Smallville had an effect on anything other than viewers saying "make Tom Welling superman!!!!" the movie fell on its own merits, being indecisive. and Singer isn't a great director. Yeah, I agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 2:10:37 GMT
Singer could with a good director with the right management of a good script and a savvy producer. He's just not someone you can let off the chain.
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Post by brownstones on Feb 13, 2017 2:38:23 GMT
Singer could with a good director with the right management of a good script and a savvy producer. He's just not someone you can let off the chain. personally I think he's only done 3 good films, X2, Valkyrie, and DOFP, I've tried to get through The Usual Suspects so many times, but his direction is so dry, even on X2. |
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Feb 13, 2017 2:44:33 GMT
I will never forgive Singer the fact we never saw Gambit in the first Trilogy.
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Post by connork1011 on Feb 13, 2017 2:58:52 GMT
I will never forgive Singer the fact we never saw Gambit in the first Trilogy. He was going to introduce Gambit in X3 before he left. Keanu Reeves was even being considered for the role (no joke). |
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Feb 13, 2017 3:01:29 GMT
Too late I think
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Post by connork1011 on Feb 13, 2017 3:03:27 GMT
Nah. I'm sure they would have found a good way to fit him in. |
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