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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 28, 2018 13:17:05 GMT
I'm curious if after The Death of Superman and the upcoming Reign of the Supermen, with they make animated movies based on Knightfall? Because that would be awesome!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 11:52:38 GMT
I'm curious if after The Death of Superman and the upcoming Reign of the Supermen, with they make animated movies based on Knightfall? Because that would be awesome! It is funny you say that 'cause I believe that is one of the movies I read is in development. There was a number of 'Batman' animated movies that were revealed to be in development last year and 'Knightfall', 'The Long Halloween', 'The Death of the Family' and 'Hush' were some of them and then there was 'Superman: Flyby' which was a script JJ Abrams wrote back in 2002 for a live action 'Superman' movie that never happened and they are said to be adapting it as an animated movie now.
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Post by dazz on Nov 8, 2018 13:16:04 GMT
I'm curious if after The Death of Superman and the upcoming Reign of the Supermen, with they make animated movies based on Knightfall? Because that would be awesome! It is funny you say that 'cause I believe that is one of the movies I read is in development. There was a number of 'Batman' animated movies that were revealed to be in development last year and 'Knightfall', 'The Long Halloween', 'The Death of the Family' and 'Hush' were some of them and then there was 'Superman: Flyby' which was a script JJ Abrams wrote back in 2002 for a live action 'Superman' movie that never happened and they are said to be adapting it as an animated movie now.
DITF should have been part of the Killing Joke movie, as both events happen within a year of each other real time wise had they incorporated both stories into one film they could have cut out the stupid Batgirl fucking Bruce bullshit and Batgirl being a brat which fucks up the story a little because it makes her less likable prior to her injury which is the opposite of what you want, had they killed Robin in the first act, spent the 2nd act showing Barbara & Bruce dealing with the pain, maybe you do a moment where they kiss one time before she hangs up the cape, the kiss being treated as being very taboo and wrong for both of them, then this makes her getting hurt even more tragic, she see's the dangers of this life, she see's what Jason's death is doing to Bruce what it has done to her, and she doesn't want to do that to her father, only for then the why she gets hurt is because of something unconnected to her role as Batgirl, it's only tied to her fathers choices, but still what she tried to avoid happens regardless, and all throughout you make Barbara likeable, and sympathetic I think would have made for a lot better film imo.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Nov 8, 2018 14:57:28 GMT
It is funny you say that 'cause I believe that is one of the movies I read is in development. There was a number of 'Batman' animated movies that were revealed to be in development last year and 'Knightfall', 'The Long Halloween', 'The Death of the Family' and 'Hush' were some of them and then there was 'Superman: Flyby' which was a script JJ Abrams wrote back in 2002 for a live action 'Superman' movie that never happened and they are said to be adapting it as an animated movie now.
DITF should have been part of the Killing Joke movie, as both events happen within a year of each other real time wise had they incorporated both stories into one film they could have cut out the stupid Batgirl fucking Bruce bullshit and Batgirl being a brat which fucks up the story a little because it makes her less likable prior to her injury which is the opposite of what you want, had they killed Robin in the first act, spent the 2nd act showing Barbara & Bruce dealing with the pain, maybe you do a moment where they kiss one time before she hangs up the cape, the kiss being treated as being very taboo and wrong for both of them, then this makes her getting hurt even more tragic, she see's the dangers of this life, she see's what Jason's death is doing to Bruce what it has done to her, and she doesn't want to do that to her father, only for then the why she gets hurt is because of something unconnected to her role as Batgirl, it's only tied to her fathers choices, but still what she tried to avoid happens regardless, and all throughout you make Barbara likeable, and sympathetic I think would have made for a lot better film imo. You're thinking of Death in the Family, Deb referenced Death of the Family, a different comic storyline; which I personally wasn't a fan of. I thought I read "in" instead of "of" too at first. I feel like they've already adapted that though, but I'm not positive on that. It wouldn't have been a terrible combo in the Killing Joke adaptation; although that's a lot for the Joker to get away with. I suppose it makes what's-his-name's intended end of the Killing Joke of Batman snapping the Joker's neck more fitting...
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Post by dazz on Nov 8, 2018 18:27:19 GMT
Yeah I assumed Deb mistyped because DOTF hasn't been something I have heard getting kicked around for adaptation, DITF however has been kicked around and teased for the last few years.
Hamil & Conroy have both spoke or teased coming back for a Death in the family adaptation, I agree it might be a bit much Joker but then you can just cut it back a little, truncate the death in the family bit into more just the endgame of the story so it fits into a single act, then Joker is not in Act 2 which is more about Bruce & Barbara and even Alfred dealing with the death maybe an appearance of Dick also, make it more about that, then do the last half of Killing Joke the way they did it, that way like Superman's death if they want they still have the full Death In The Family story to go back to in a few years and flesh it out properly like they did Superman: Doomsday a decade ago and now with the Death & Reign movies.
That or they could have simply paired the two films up like they have Death & Reign.
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Post by General Kenobi on Nov 10, 2018 13:35:48 GMT
I don't think A Death in the Family would have much emotional impact, not with Jason Todd being back. It's hard to care about what happens to him when you know he gets better. Which is probably why they adapted Behind the Red Hood long before this story. It covers the same ground in the first third and the rest of it deals with his return.
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Post by dazz on Nov 10, 2018 14:32:01 GMT
That's in the continuity of things though, if you isolate it and focus on other things it can be whatever you need it to be, it can be a nasty look at the dangers of the hero life with focusing on the abuse Robin suffers at Jokers hands, or you focus on the aftermath of it and the toll such a tragedy takes on these characters.
As is if you look in continuity of the Batman and Bruce and how anyone likes the character is beyond me, enjoy him fine but like him? he's an emotionally and physically abusive cult like leader who constantly endangers the lives of vulnerable children, but somehow we still care about Batman, because they don't focus on what make him an evil pos they focus on what makes him a driven warrior for justice.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Nov 10, 2018 16:44:21 GMT
I don't think A Death in the Family would have much emotional impact, not with Jason Todd being back. It's hard to care about what happens to him when you know he gets better. Which is probably why they adapted Behind the Red Hood long before this story. It covers the same ground in the first third and the rest of it deals with his return. I think both stories can be done without either being undermined; especially if done the right way. Look at Buffy the Vampire Slayer - spoiler alert, she dies and is brought back, and it has huge implications for both her and her friends. If Death in the Family was done less with the idea in mind that Jason would eventually come back, but with the full view that he was truly, legitimately dead; and build into the story the conceit that even though there may be ways that Bruce could bring him back, he won't or can't for very valid reasons, then the impact of Jason's death has all of it's intended value. Then you do his return and explore all of the conflict that comes with it. Bruce of course would want it to be true, but he also can't afford to allow his emotions to cloud his judgement and fall for some trick of this isn't the real deal. And just as importantly, if it is real, and knowing all the reasons why he couldn't personally make that reality happen himself, only for it to happen anyway, he then knows there's probably going to be hell to pay, quite possibly literally. Jason being alive again, on the face of it, is a good thing; something for Bruce to be happy about, but the consequences may easily outweigh that happiness, which is where the conflict can lay. It can also invariably have some psychological ramifications for Jason himself; what it means to be remember exactly how it felt to truly die, the possible pain of coming back, learning how those closest to you dealt with that death and probably what purpose those who brought you back have in mind for you. As is if you look in continuity of the Batman and Bruce and how anyone likes the character is beyond me, enjoy him fine but like him? he's an emotionally and physically abusive cult like leader who constantly endangers the lives of vulnerable children, but somehow we still care about Batman, because they don't focus on what make him an evil pos they focus on what makes him a driven warrior for justice. That's a bit of an overstatement and simplification of his character. That perspective seems more exaggerated than the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies boiling Captain Kirk's attributes down to a hornball who is constantly going rogue and can't keep it in his pants. Mind you, Batman regularly gets that sort of treatment even in house, where writers like Grant Morrison or Alan Moore, who have certainly taken some version of the character to the more psychotic and unhinged extreme, but that's not who Batman is supposed to be and arguably does the character disservice when depicted that way or stripped of any other quality than a brawler in a mask. Bruce Wayne is supposed to be a literal genius with sharp mind that's been trained for deductive reasoning and critical thinking, in addition to honing his body for high level combat. He's supposed to be the world's greatest detective; something that tends to get glossed over in most live action adaptations. I can't abide the notion of an unstable Bruce Wayne, because it undermines the core concept of Batman. What may be true about him and his motivations in the real world, can't be applied to the world that Batman and all of the other DC characters reside in, because it simply isn't our world. It's a place where putting on a costume and becoming a legitimate hero isn't just possible, it borders on the cliche. It's a place where monsters are real and the threats and dangers that innocent people face are far beyond the pale of we face, even our bleakest hour. They often have it worse, which is why the solution to those perils are something so far opposite and extreme that view it through the lens of what's normal for us makes it surreal. Conventionally it would be reckless of him to have a partner in all of this who is typically very young and often underage, yet it's the conceit that, for whatever reason, this is an arrangement the highly intelligent and reasonable person that is Bruce Wayne can find acceptable; and where the death of Jason Todd is actually the outlier. One of my few criticisms of the DC animated universe crafted by Bruce Timm during the 90s and early aughts was the idea largely pushed by Batman Beyond, that suggested Bruce Wayne somehow pushed all of these other agents that worked with him into that life and that they resented it and him afterwards; when for one thing, that bears no resemblance to how any of that was depicted, but for another should be the furthest thing from the truth. If the conceit of the story is for the likes of a young Dick Grayson or Jason Todd or Tim Drake or Stephanie Brown to be running around as Robin in spite of the dangers, yet isn't something Bruce immediately shuts down; then it's the responsibility of the writers to find the path whereby all of those statements can be true, while leading the audience to agree. Harry Potter does this well, to a certain degree. It's a little questionable to what end Dumbledore knows exactly what Harry's doing at any given time, yet still lets him get himself into situations that frequently puts his life in danger. But the crux (or horcrux?) of the story is that Harry would have found his way into many of these situations come hell or high water; either because he had a stake in the outcome or because someone else's life was in danger and regardless of his age, and he would refuse to sit idly by if he thought for a second there was anything he could do to help, even at his own personal risk. He could make peace with the prospect of dying from a basilisk bite if it meant Ginny would be okay. And that's the sort of perspective that should be taken with any depiction of any iteration of Robin and his (or her) association with Batman; that Batman may not sanction Dick Grayson as Robin, at least initially, for the very reason of the risk involved and Dick's age, but he's not able to stop him and eventually the best course of action is ultimately to train him and give him the best possible chance at survival if he's going to do this no matter what. Tim Drake has often been shown in the comics - at least before the New 52 reboot, and to some degree after - as being perhaps the closest front runner to a potential replacement to Bruce Wayne someday; at least in terms of his keen intellect and dedication to "the mission". He just as often chooses to work on his own, has his own base of operations, develops his own tech and strategic plans; and at one point Batman quipped that he believed they'd all be working for Tim one day. Jason Todd's a bit of a question mark, because he really wasn't given a great deal of opportunity to grow outside of the Dick Grayson mold he was created in, to fulfill the "Batman and Robin" role after Dick was graduated out of the dynamic duo and became Nightwing. He was so generic that people had no qualms about voting to kill him off when the whole thing was polled; and it was only after his resurrection decades later that writers decided to make him more of an anti-hero, after a considerable stretch as being just a general pain in the ass, bitching and moaning about how he died and hardly anyone seemed to care. If anything Jason probably has the greatest potential for adaptation, because he's essentially a blank slate; and writers could do just about anything with him pre or even post death and it would be difficult to buck too much cannon, as long as he puts on the Red Hood at some point, for some length of time. Ultimately it comes down to the internal logic of a story; where when you know that certain facts are true, in spite any sort of real world fact that might say otherwise, the writer has to figure out how to connect the dots in a way that keeps those facts true without undermining the foundation the story is told on - like making the central hero of the story a crazy person who belongs in a padded cell alongside all of the dangerous people he's supposed to be protecting the city from.
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Post by dazz on Nov 10, 2018 18:24:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 11:04:01 GMT
DITF should have been part of the Killing Joke movie, as both events happen within a year of each other real time wise had they incorporated both stories into one film they could have cut out the stupid Batgirl fucking Bruce bullshit and Batgirl being a brat which fucks up the story a little because it makes her less likable prior to her injury which is the opposite of what you want, had they killed Robin in the first act, spent the 2nd act showing Barbara & Bruce dealing with the pain, maybe you do a moment where they kiss one time before she hangs up the cape, the kiss being treated as being very taboo and wrong for both of them, then this makes her getting hurt even more tragic, she see's the dangers of this life, she see's what Jason's death is doing to Bruce what it has done to her, and she doesn't want to do that to her father, only for then the why she gets hurt is because of something unconnected to her role as Batgirl, it's only tied to her fathers choices, but still what she tried to avoid happens regardless, and all throughout you make Barbara likeable, and sympathetic I think would have made for a lot better film imo. You're thinking of Death in the Family, Deb referenced Death of the Family, a different comic storyline; which I personally wasn't a fan of. I thought I read "in" instead of "of" too at first. I feel like they've already adapted that though, but I'm not positive on that. It wouldn't have been a terrible combo in the Killing Joke adaptation; although that's a lot for the Joker to get away with. I suppose it makes what's-his-name's intended end of the Killing Joke of Batman snapping the Joker's neck more fitting... Stargazer is right dazz . I was talking about ‘Death of the Family’ and I heard there were plans for a ‘Death In the Family’ animated movie but they were also saying about a ‘Death of the Family’ movie earlier this year and I would like to see a ‘Death of the Family’ animated movie especially one based on the ‘Batgirl: Death of the Family’ graphic novel by Gail Simone where Batgirl finally gets her hands on the Joker again and kicks his ass for putting her in a wheelchair for all those years. That was an awesome moment and was more personal than any moment I have seen in the comic books between Batman and the Joker ‘cause the Joker had never taken anything from Batman the way he took her ability to walk away from her and was haunting her dreams and Barbara came very close to doing the one thing Batman could never do to the Joker until her brother got in the way. There are said to be a few 'Batman' animated movies in development now and I just read if 'Wonder Woman: Bloodlines' is a success there are plans for a 'Batgirl' animated movie too and with them already adapting 'The Killing Joke' it is most likely the animated movie will play out 'The Darkest Reflection' by Gail with Barbara becoming Batgirl again after spending years as Oracle or ignore the previous Batman movies.
I personally think it is a mistake to go back to 'Death In the Family' with Jason Todd as Robin 'cause we have already had an animated movie of 'Under the Red Hood' which is based after that and a lot of fans have been asking when we are going to see Red Hood in the animated movies again and they could make a follow up to 'Under the Red Hood' which sees Jason becoming good again and setting him up for 'Red Hood and the Outlaws.' I was surprised by Tim Drake being absent from that movie 'cause him becoming the next Robin played a big part in Jason taking on the identity of the Red Hood and turning on Batman in the comic books but Tim Drake hasn't been used much in the animated movies as a lot of fans have complained about 'cause they decided to put more focus on Damian as Robin and I am not even sure in the current timeline if Tim Drake exists in the animated movies 'cause it seems like they went from Dick to Jason to Damian. The animated movies feel out of wack at the moment though 'cause they have already established Batwoman and Batwing in 'Batman Bad Blood' but then didn't have Batgirl make her first appearance until the end of that movie and then they made the adaption of 'The Killing Joke' which didn't feel like it connected on to 'Bad Blood' at all but 'Bad Blood' was set when Barbara was new as Batgirl.
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Post by dazz on Dec 1, 2018 12:01:23 GMT
You're thinking of Death in the Family, Deb referenced Death of the Family, a different comic storyline; which I personally wasn't a fan of. I thought I read "in" instead of "of" too at first. I feel like they've already adapted that though, but I'm not positive on that. It wouldn't have been a terrible combo in the Killing Joke adaptation; although that's a lot for the Joker to get away with. I suppose it makes what's-his-name's intended end of the Killing Joke of Batman snapping the Joker's neck more fitting... Stargazer is right dazz . I was talking about ‘Death of the Family’ and I heard there were plans for a ‘Death In the Family’ animated movie but they were also saying about a ‘Death of the Family’ movie earlier this year and I would like to see a ‘Death of the Family’ animated movie especially one based on the ‘Batgirl: Death of the Family’ graphic novel by Gail Simone where Batgirl finally gets her hands on the Joker again and kicks his ass for putting her in a wheelchair for all those years. That was an awesome moment and was more personal than any moment I have seen in the comic books between Batman and the Joker ‘cause the Joker had never taken anything from Batman the way he took her ability to walk away from her and was haunting her dreams and Barbara came very close to doing the one thing Batman could never do to the Joker until her brother got in the way. There are said to be a few 'Batman' animated movies in development now and I just read if 'Wonder Woman: Bloodlines' is a success there are plans for a 'Batgirl' animated movie too and with them already adapting 'The Killing Joke' it is most likely the animated movie will play out 'The Darkest Reflection' by Gail with Barbara becoming Batgirl again after spending years as Oracle or ignore the previous Batman movies.
I personally think it is a mistake to go back to 'Death In the Family' with Jason Todd as Robin 'cause we have already had an animated movie of 'Under the Red Hood' which is based after that and a lot of fans have been asking when we are going to see Red Hood in the animated movies again and they could make a follow up to 'Under the Red Hood' which sees Jason becoming good again and setting him up for 'Red Hood and the Outlaws.' I was surprised by Tim Drake being absent from that movie 'cause him becoming the next Robin played a big part in Jason taking on the identity of the Red Hood and turning on Batman in the comic books but Tim Drake hasn't been used much in the animated movies as a lot of fans have complained about 'cause they decided to put more focus on Damian as Robin and I am not even sure in the current timeline if Tim Drake exists in the animated movies 'cause it seems like they went from Dick to Jason to Damian. The animated movies feel out of wack at the moment though 'cause they have already established Batwoman and Batwing in 'Batman Bad Blood' but then didn't have Batgirl make her first appearance until the end of that movie and then they made the adaption of 'The Killing Joke' which didn't feel like it connected on to 'Bad Blood' at all but 'Bad Blood' was set when Barbara was new as Batgirl.
I agree that DITF doesn't need it's own film, just that rather than pad out TKJ with that bullshit they did they should have just made it a 2 hour animated film or something with the death of robin and then the paralyzing of Barbra being part of a year of hell for Batman, and I would love a new Red Hood film especially if they bring Jensen back just because I love Jensen in everything.
But yeah half the movies aren't connected but these films are and make the DC AMU Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox, Justice League: War, Son of Batman, Justice League: Throne of Atlantis, Nightwing and Robin (short), Batman vs. Robin, Batman: Bad Blood, Justice League vs. Teen Titans, Justice League Dark, Constantine: City of Demons (web series), Teen Titans: The Judas Contract, Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay, The Death of Superman & Reign of the Supermen, otherwise they seem to be mostly elseworlds with a few connecting to one other film, TKJ is a standalone not connected to the other films.
I hope they do bring in Jason & Tim into the films though, they would be fun to see, Tim could still work as a Robin if they kill off Damian in a noble way then Bruce seems resign to not have a new Robin only to find Tim who from a lot of the stuff I hear is the most Batman like of all the Robins, so it would make sense that the only replacement after Damian would be a true heir for the cowl.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 10:50:31 GMT
Stargazer is right dazz . I was talking about ‘Death of the Family’ and I heard there were plans for a ‘Death In the Family’ animated movie but they were also saying about a ‘Death of the Family’ movie earlier this year and I would like to see a ‘Death of the Family’ animated movie especially one based on the ‘Batgirl: Death of the Family’ graphic novel by Gail Simone where Batgirl finally gets her hands on the Joker again and kicks his ass for putting her in a wheelchair for all those years. That was an awesome moment and was more personal than any moment I have seen in the comic books between Batman and the Joker ‘cause the Joker had never taken anything from Batman the way he took her ability to walk away from her and was haunting her dreams and Barbara came very close to doing the one thing Batman could never do to the Joker until her brother got in the way. There are said to be a few 'Batman' animated movies in development now and I just read if 'Wonder Woman: Bloodlines' is a success there are plans for a 'Batgirl' animated movie too and with them already adapting 'The Killing Joke' it is most likely the animated movie will play out 'The Darkest Reflection' by Gail with Barbara becoming Batgirl again after spending years as Oracle or ignore the previous Batman movies.
I personally think it is a mistake to go back to 'Death In the Family' with Jason Todd as Robin 'cause we have already had an animated movie of 'Under the Red Hood' which is based after that and a lot of fans have been asking when we are going to see Red Hood in the animated movies again and they could make a follow up to 'Under the Red Hood' which sees Jason becoming good again and setting him up for 'Red Hood and the Outlaws.' I was surprised by Tim Drake being absent from that movie 'cause him becoming the next Robin played a big part in Jason taking on the identity of the Red Hood and turning on Batman in the comic books but Tim Drake hasn't been used much in the animated movies as a lot of fans have complained about 'cause they decided to put more focus on Damian as Robin and I am not even sure in the current timeline if Tim Drake exists in the animated movies 'cause it seems like they went from Dick to Jason to Damian. The animated movies feel out of wack at the moment though 'cause they have already established Batwoman and Batwing in 'Batman Bad Blood' but then didn't have Batgirl make her first appearance until the end of that movie and then they made the adaption of 'The Killing Joke' which didn't feel like it connected on to 'Bad Blood' at all but 'Bad Blood' was set when Barbara was new as Batgirl.
I agree that DITF doesn't need it's own film, just that rather than pad out TKJ with that bullshit they did they should have just made it a 2 hour animated film or something with the death of robin and then the paralyzing of Barbra being part of a year of hell for Batman, and I would love a new Red Hood film especially if they bring Jensen back just because I love Jensen in everything.
But yeah half the movies aren't connected but these films are and make the DC AMU Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox, Justice League: War, Son of Batman, Justice League: Throne of Atlantis, Nightwing and Robin (short), Batman vs. Robin, Batman: Bad Blood, Justice League vs. Teen Titans, Justice League Dark, Constantine: City of Demons (web series), Teen Titans: The Judas Contract, Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay, The Death of Superman & Reign of the Supermen, otherwise they seem to be mostly elseworlds with a few connecting to one other film, TKJ is a standalone not connected to the other films.
I hope they do bring in Jason & Tim into the films though, they would be fun to see, Tim could still work as a Robin if they kill off Damian in a noble way then Bruce seems resign to not have a new Robin only to find Tim who from a lot of the stuff I hear is the most Batman like of all the Robins, so it would make sense that the only replacement after Damian would be a true heir for the cowl.
Okay. That explains ‘The Killing Joke’ ‘cause they introduced Batgirl at the end of ‘Bad Blood’ and made it look like she was going to have a significant role in the following movie and then we got ‘The Killing Joke’ movie not long after it and I would like to see a sequel to ‘Batman Bad Blood’ continuing on from that timeline which followed on from ‘Son of Batman’ and ‘Batman vs Robin’ but they seem to be making a lot of the newest animated ‘Batman’ movies separate. The movies of ‘Hush’ and ‘The Long Halloween’ have been officially announced now and ‘The Long Halloween’ is going to be spread out over two movies and I don’t know the release date for that but ‘Batman: Hush is set to come out in April and ‘Wonder Woman: Bloodlines’ will be out on the 22nd of October.
Hardly any information has been revealed about ‘Bloodlines’ so I don’t know if it is going to connect to any of the other DC animated movies or be a standalone and I would like it if they used it to set up a ‘Wonder Woman’ animated TV series so we could finally get to see a lot of her side characters and villains that have never been seen on screen before and in my opinion a ‘Wonder Woman’ animated TV show is long overdue and should have happened years ago after the success of the Lynda Carter show but one of the people working at DC recently said the lack of female superheroes in animation has been ‘cause Warner Bros didn’t think they would get viewers but he said that view has changed and if ‘Wonder Woman: Bloodlines’ is success there are plans for ‘Batgirl’ and ‘Supergirl’ animated movies too.
What was the web series of ‘Constantine: City of Angels?’ Was that a prequel or continuation to the movie of the same name ‘cause we got that on Foxtel Box Office last year and enjoyed it and we are thinking about getting it on DVD since it is on special at the moment (as seen below.) The movie was said to take place in the ‘Arrowverse’ and Constantine mentioned some things from it on an episode of ‘Legends of Tomorrow’ and it is a shame they can't use some of the demons they had in that in 'Legends of Tomorrow.' www.jbhifi.com.au/movies-tv-shows/movies-tv-shows-on-sale/action/constantine-city-of-demons/334987/
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Post by dazz on Jan 12, 2019 16:03:15 GMT
I may be wrong on Constantine but I heard itr was in the animated films universe, but it maybe a limbo type of deal, it was done by CW though I think as iirc it was the CW Seed show which is basically just a movie chopper up into 5-10 minute "episodes".
The thing I have always heard isn't there being an issue with female shows or movies not getting an audience simply that how that audience skews, historically female viewers don't buy merch and licensed products like male audiences do, which is in part why Harley became such a priority for WB when people began cosplaying as her like crazy and merch sales for her went through the roof, and why Wonder Woman is such a key to the WB/DC plans because not that the movie did so well but her merch did, DC made more on her merch the year following the movie than they did the movie itself, and the merch didn't cost upwards of $200m to make and market.
That's why YJ was originally cancelled, have lots of great animated shows, they take too long but are so easy to replace, they need correlating toy and merch sales otherwise the companies will just get meh fuck it lets try something different, and why more mature and good animated shows are usually replaced with the more kid friendly shows with less quality.
Hopefully though the DCU service will make quality as important as no one is going to be signing up for the service for Teen Titans Go!, so maybe we'll find a balance network TV will be the toy ad shows and DCU will be for the quality animated stuff which I would be cool with.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 13, 2019 16:48:53 GMT
I always thought YJ was cancelled because girls were buying the merch more then boys, and that upset the toy company making the merch.
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Post by dazz on Jan 13, 2019 21:08:14 GMT
I always thought YJ was cancelled because girls were buying the merch more then boys, and that upset the toy company making the merch. From what I heard YJ had a higher female to male ratio than is typical with those shows and as such had lower merchandise sales for a show with it's audience, which is what upset the toy makers, no one cares who is buying stuff when stuff is selling at or above expectations, it's when they undersell people have an issue with it.
Also the toy makers for a DC or Marvel or any independently owned IP's opinion doesn't matter much, it's when the IP is owned by those companies it matters, as what sells may impact the direction they have to take their company, but when they license the stuff they already knew what they would be expected to make and sell so then all they care about is big sales.
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I may be wrong on Constantine but I heard itr was in the animated films universe, but it maybe a limbo type of deal, it was done by CW though I think as iirc it was the CW Seed show which is basically just a movie chopper up into 5-10 minute "episodes". The thing I have always heard isn't there being an issue with female shows or movies not getting an audience simply that how that audience skews, historically female viewers don't buy merch and licensed products like male audiences do, which is in part why Harley became such a priority for WB when people began cosplaying as her like crazy and merch sales for her went through the roof, and why Wonder Woman is such a key to the WB/DC plans because not that the movie did so well but her merch did, DC made more on her merch the year following the movie than they did the movie itself, and the merch didn't cost upwards of $200m to make and market. That's why YJ was originally cancelled, have lots of great animated shows, they take too long but are so easy to replace, they need correlating toy and merch sales otherwise the companies will just get meh fuck it lets try something different, and why more mature and good animated shows are usually replaced with the more kid friendly shows with less quality. Hopefully though the DCU service will make quality as important as no one is going to be signing up for the service for Teen Titans Go!, so maybe we'll find a balance network TV will be the toy ad shows and DCU will be for the quality animated stuff which I would be cool with. Thanks for letting me know Dazz. I am not sure either but I enjoyed the ‘City of Angels’ movie and we just watched ‘Reign of the Supermen’ on Foxtel last night and they added that in their new movie section on Foxtel Download and we enjoyed that too. I have to say, DC’s animated movies are doing a better job of representing the company than their live action movies and I liked ‘Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay’ and ‘Assault On Arkham’ a lot more than the live action movie. I don’t know if you have seen ‘Reign of the Supermen’ yet but it was a sequel to ‘The Death of Superman that came out last year and had Cyborg Superman as the main villain and it looks like there is going to be a third part ‘cause after the credits they had a scene where the Justice League were talking about Darkseid coming and Lex walks in and wants to join the team.
I am not sure what that movie is going to be ‘cause the next confirmed ‘Superman’ movie is ‘Red Son and that doesn’t continue on to these movies and it was good seeing a version of the Eradicator and I am hoping they use him again and have him as a villain ‘cause in the comic books he went back and forth from being an antihero and a villain and even had his own short lived series and when he was a villain he was a really powerful foe for the heroes to stop and he had the power to control Superman and Supergirl through their minds which made it harder to defeat him. The animated movies can use a lot of villains we haven’t had before in ‘Superman’ adaptions and I would love to see the ‘Imperiex/ Our Worlds at War’ played out ‘cause Imperiex was one of the most powerful villains they ever faced and
I have heard people talk about the merchandise and that is true to an extent and I have never been interested in buying action figurines or coffee mugs and mostly buy the comic books and graphic novels but I love Cosplay and Beccy and I have bought a lot of costumes on the internet over the years of Supergirl, Batgirl, Red Sonja, Witchblade, Catwoman, Vampirella, Starfire, Aphrodite IX etc and we have created some of our own to dress up for each other and Cosplay is extremely popular at the moment and there are models who have turned to Cosplay who are making a lot of money doing it and Cosplay has become far more popular among female fans than male fans and that is 'cause we look sexy is the comic book costumes and men look funny.
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Post by dazz on Feb 1, 2019 11:41:11 GMT
I may be wrong on Constantine but I heard itr was in the animated films universe, but it maybe a limbo type of deal, it was done by CW though I think as iirc it was the CW Seed show which is basically just a movie chopper up into 5-10 minute "episodes". The thing I have always heard isn't there being an issue with female shows or movies not getting an audience simply that how that audience skews, historically female viewers don't buy merch and licensed products like male audiences do, which is in part why Harley became such a priority for WB when people began cosplaying as her like crazy and merch sales for her went through the roof, and why Wonder Woman is such a key to the WB/DC plans because not that the movie did so well but her merch did, DC made more on her merch the year following the movie than they did the movie itself, and the merch didn't cost upwards of $200m to make and market. That's why YJ was originally cancelled, have lots of great animated shows, they take too long but are so easy to replace, they need correlating toy and merch sales otherwise the companies will just get meh fuck it lets try something different, and why more mature and good animated shows are usually replaced with the more kid friendly shows with less quality. Hopefully though the DCU service will make quality as important as no one is going to be signing up for the service for Teen Titans Go!, so maybe we'll find a balance network TV will be the toy ad shows and DCU will be for the quality animated stuff which I would be cool with. Thanks for letting me know Dazz. I am not sure either but I enjoyed the ‘City of Angels’ movie and we just watched ‘Reign of the Supermen’ on Foxtel last night and they added that in their new movie section on Foxtel Download and we enjoyed that too. I have to say, DC’s animated movies are doing a better job of representing the company than their live action movies and I liked ‘Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay’ and ‘Assault On Arkham’ a lot more than the live action movie. I don’t know if you have seen ‘Reign of the Supermen’ yet but it was a sequel to ‘The Death of Superman that came out last year and had Cyborg Superman as the main villain and it looks like there is going to be a third part ‘cause after the credits they had a scene where the Justice League were talking about Darkseid coming and Lex walks in and wants to join the team.
I am not sure what that movie is going to be ‘cause the next confirmed ‘Superman’ movie is ‘Red Son and that doesn’t continue on to these movies and it was good seeing a version of the Eradicator and I am hoping they use him again and have him as a villain ‘cause in the comic books he went back and forth from being an antihero and a villain and even had his own short lived series and when he was a villain he was a really powerful foe for the heroes to stop and he had the power to control Superman and Supergirl through their minds which made it harder to defeat him. The animated movies can use a lot of villains we haven’t had before in ‘Superman’ adaptions and I would love to see the ‘Imperiex/ Our Worlds at War’ played out ‘cause Imperiex was one of the most powerful villains they ever faced and
I have heard people talk about the merchandise and that is true to an extent and I have never been interested in buying action figurines or coffee mugs and mostly buy the comic books and graphic novels but I love Cosplay and Beccy and I have bought a lot of costumes on the internet over the years of Supergirl, Batgirl, Red Sonja, Witchblade, Catwoman, Vampirella, Starfire, Aphrodite IX etc and we have created some of our own to dress up for each other and Cosplay is extremely popular at the moment and there are models who have turned to Cosplay who are making a lot of money doing it and Cosplay has become far more popular among female fans than male fans and that is 'cause we look sexy is the comic book costumes and men look funny. Could be a few years till we see the next JL animated film in continuity with the others, I think though they are in the same continuity they do take a few years to cycle through stuff, I mean if you take the Death & Reign films as direct sequels to War then we maybe waiting another 4/5 years, but yeah the DC animated films kick the live action films asses, mostly because they can do both a universe and stand alone stories, and they aren't aimed to the masses but the hardcore fans or those like me the hardcore lazy fans who watch and absorb 95% of the media just not the actual comics themselves because fuck reading .
I pretty much love all the DC animated films just because I love superhero stuff, you really have to work to fuck these films up for me, like The Killing Joke did, otherwise I dig em, so yeah I loved Death & Reign, the Superman Vs. Doomsday fight in Death was tremendous, I also really liked the little smart arse Superboy in Reign that cracked me up a bunch, and Hell to Pay was great also, I did not see the callback to Flashpoint coming either, and I really liked the fact Waller didn't get her way but didn't realise it either,
Yeah chicks get away with cosplay because well 99% of comic costumes simply require a lot of skin, guys however can look stupid more so by guys not playing to their strengths, if you are a weedy little shit don't cosplay as Superman and expect it to look good, try a robin, flash or Spidey their thinner dudes, and realistically how many mega jacked guys cosplay? and how easy is it to fake having big boobs, it's all just so unfairly slanted into the female favour when you think about it....and it is glorious .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 10:57:29 GMT
Could be a few years till we see the next JL animated film in continuity with the others, I think though they are in the same continuity they do take a few years to cycle through stuff, I mean if you take the Death & Reign films as direct sequels to War then we maybe waiting another 4/5 years, but yeah the DC animated films kick the live action films asses, mostly because they can do both a universe and stand alone stories, and they aren't aimed to the masses but the hardcore fans or those like me the hardcore lazy fans who watch and absorb 95% of the media just not the actual comics themselves because fuck reading .
I pretty much love all the DC animated films just because I love superhero stuff, you really have to work to fuck these films up for me, like The Killing Joke did, otherwise I dig em, so yeah I loved Death & Reign, the Superman Vs. Doomsday fight in Death was tremendous, I also really liked the little smart arse Superboy in Reign that cracked me up a bunch, and Hell to Pay was great also, I did not see the callback to Flashpoint coming either, and I really liked the fact Waller didn't get her way but didn't realise it either,
Yeah chicks get away with cosplay because well 99% of comic costumes simply require a lot of skin, guys however can look stupid more so by guys not playing to their strengths, if you are a weedy little shit don't cosplay as Superman and expect it to look good, try a robin, flash or Spidey their thinner dudes, and realistically how many mega jacked guys cosplay? and how easy is it to fake having big boobs, it's all just so unfairly slanted into the female favour when you think about it....and it is glorious .
Yeah. You might be right. I have been looking at DC’s upcoming animated movie schedule and by the looks of things the majority of the movies coming up are separate from ‘Death and Reign’ and unless ‘Wonder Woman: Bloodlines’ takes place in the same universe which is possible but I doubt it will be a while before we see anything else in that continuity. I am hoping DC return to the continuity of the ‘Son of Batman’, ‘Batman vs Robin’ and ‘Bad Blood’ too and I don’t know how many of the animated movies take place in that continuity but I believe ‘Teen Titans: The Judas Contract’ did too just going on where Damian Wayne/Robin was and some of the comments he made that acknowledged events that happened in ‘Son of Batman’ and ’Batman vs Robin.’ A sequel to ‘Bad Blood’ focusing on Batgirl who they showed at the end of the movie like she was going to be the main focus of the next movie could be great unlike that awful ‘Killing Joke’ adaption we ended up getting.
DC is still behind with introducing a lot of the Bat Family and Bat Universe characters in the animated movies and I want to see Red Hood return as a hero and ‘Batman’ animated movies with the Spoiler, Orphan, Bluebird and Azrael. I think I wrote on here before there was talk of ‘Knightfall’ being one of the next ‘Batman’ stories to be adapted so we will get to see more focus on Azrael in that and I have heard ‘Battle for the Cowl’ is also being rumoured for animated adaption. ‘Eternal’ is the one I want to see the most though which is listed in this list I found below you might like to see and if they were to adapt that and ‘Batman & Robin: Eternal’ together they could make that into a movie series or an animated TV series ‘cause there is a lot in both of them and it was the biggest Bat Family even ever made.
The animated movies have been a lot better than the live action movies and the ‘Arkham’ games are too which is why they should continue and it is a shame that Warner Bros have done such a poor job of handling the characters in live action movies in the past two decades and they should just give the movies to the comic book writers to write ‘cause they are more qualified to write them and know all of the ins and outs of the characters unlike random scriptwriters who decide they want to write one or two superhero movies once in a blue moon. I mean ‘Aquaman’ has been very well received so far and a lot of people have liked that and look who wrote the script. Geoff Johns. Give all the live action movies to the people who write these characters for a living and they will get a lot better. Warner Bros should have never turned down Paul Dini and Peter David’s scripts for Batman and Supergirl. 10 Batman Comics That Deserve an Animated Film www.inverse.com/article/22151-10-batman-comics-dc-animated-films
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Post by dazz on Feb 23, 2019 12:19:19 GMT
Could be a few years till we see the next JL animated film in continuity with the others, I think though they are in the same continuity they do take a few years to cycle through stuff, I mean if you take the Death & Reign films as direct sequels to War then we maybe waiting another 4/5 years, but yeah the DC animated films kick the live action films asses, mostly because they can do both a universe and stand alone stories, and they aren't aimed to the masses but the hardcore fans or those like me the hardcore lazy fans who watch and absorb 95% of the media just not the actual comics themselves because fuck reading .
I pretty much love all the DC animated films just because I love superhero stuff, you really have to work to fuck these films up for me, like The Killing Joke did, otherwise I dig em, so yeah I loved Death & Reign, the Superman Vs. Doomsday fight in Death was tremendous, I also really liked the little smart arse Superboy in Reign that cracked me up a bunch, and Hell to Pay was great also, I did not see the callback to Flashpoint coming either, and I really liked the fact Waller didn't get her way but didn't realise it either,
Yeah chicks get away with cosplay because well 99% of comic costumes simply require a lot of skin, guys however can look stupid more so by guys not playing to their strengths, if you are a weedy little shit don't cosplay as Superman and expect it to look good, try a robin, flash or Spidey their thinner dudes, and realistically how many mega jacked guys cosplay? and how easy is it to fake having big boobs, it's all just so unfairly slanted into the female favour when you think about it....and it is glorious .
Yeah. You might be right. I have been looking at DC’s upcoming animated movie schedule and by the looks of things the majority of the movies coming up are separate from ‘Death and Reign’ and unless ‘Wonder Woman: Bloodlines’ takes place in the same universe which is possible but I doubt it will be a while before we see anything else in that continuity. I am hoping DC return to the continuity of the ‘Son of Batman’, ‘Batman vs Robin’ and ‘Bad Blood’ too and I don’t know how many of the animated movies take place in that continuity but I believe ‘Teen Titans: The Judas Contract’ did too just going on where Damian Wayne/Robin was and some of the comments he made that acknowledged events that happened in ‘Son of Batman’ and ’Batman vs Robin.’ A sequel to ‘Bad Blood’ focusing on Batgirl who they showed at the end of the movie like she was going to be the main focus of the next movie could be great unlike that awful ‘Killing Joke’ adaption we ended up getting.
DC is still behind with introducing a lot of the Bat Family and Bat Universe characters in the animated movies and I want to see Red Hood return as a hero and ‘Batman’ animated movies with the Spoiler, Orphan, Bluebird and Azrael. I think I wrote on here before there was talk of ‘Knightfall’ being one of the next ‘Batman’ stories to be adapted so we will get to see more focus on Azrael in that and I have heard ‘Battle for the Cowl’ is also being rumoured for animated adaption. ‘Eternal’ is the one I want to see the most though which is listed in this list I found below you might like to see and if they were to adapt that and ‘Batman & Robin: Eternal’ together they could make that into a movie series or an animated TV series ‘cause there is a lot in both of them and it was the biggest Bat Family even ever made.
The animated movies have been a lot better than the live action movies and the ‘Arkham’ games are too which is why they should continue and it is a shame that Warner Bros have done such a poor job of handling the characters in live action movies in the past two decades and they should just give the movies to the comic book writers to write ‘cause they are more qualified to write them and know all of the ins and outs of the characters unlike random scriptwriters who decide they want to write one or two superhero movies once in a blue moon. I mean ‘Aquaman’ has been very well received so far and a lot of people have liked that and look who wrote the script. Geoff Johns. Give all the live action movies to the people who write these characters for a living and they will get a lot better. Warner Bros should have never turned down Paul Dini and Peter David’s scripts for Batman and Supergirl. 10 Batman Comics That Deserve an Animated Film www.inverse.com/article/22151-10-batman-comics-dc-animated-films Yeah the Damian films are part of the same continuity as the main JL films, #flashpoint, Death & Reign + Hell To Pay, and if they were forced to just using that it could be like 10 years before we got many more Batfamily members in meaningful ways, the beauty of the multiverse approach to the animated films is we could get a Red Robin in a film just because they feel like it or anyone else, they get to have their cake and eat it to, which is great for us as it means more fun shit.
But I want them to also delve into other characters, why haven't we had a Flash stand alone animated film or a Cyborg why can we not get another GL movie? I also want another Teen Titans movie asap hell why do they not have an Aquaman stand alone movie in the works? come on DC what are you waiting?
I think they should do a Batgirl stand alone movie which can be in continuity, have her doing her thing outside of the bat-fam she deals with lower level stuff but then at the end of the movie she receives a heads up from Batman that he has an eye on her, which then leads to her being the newbie in the family in the next in continuity batman film.
As for the live action yeah they should use the comic writers more, I said before imo they should have the comic writers with the successful track record and tenure under specific chsaracters or titles to be producers or exec producers on the films and have real say, they if nothing else make good governors, they may not tell them what to do in a film but they can tell them what not to do based on their history with the properties, plus give the people some respect for crying out loud.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 7:18:37 GMT
Yeah. You might be right. I have been looking at DC’s upcoming animated movie schedule and by the looks of things the majority of the movies coming up are separate from ‘Death and Reign’ and unless ‘Wonder Woman: Bloodlines’ takes place in the same universe which is possible but I doubt it will be a while before we see anything else in that continuity. I am hoping DC return to the continuity of the ‘Son of Batman’, ‘Batman vs Robin’ and ‘Bad Blood’ too and I don’t know how many of the animated movies take place in that continuity but I believe ‘Teen Titans: The Judas Contract’ did too just going on where Damian Wayne/Robin was and some of the comments he made that acknowledged events that happened in ‘Son of Batman’ and ’Batman vs Robin.’ A sequel to ‘Bad Blood’ focusing on Batgirl who they showed at the end of the movie like she was going to be the main focus of the next movie could be great unlike that awful ‘Killing Joke’ adaption we ended up getting.
DC is still behind with introducing a lot of the Bat Family and Bat Universe characters in the animated movies and I want to see Red Hood return as a hero and ‘Batman’ animated movies with the Spoiler, Orphan, Bluebird and Azrael. I think I wrote on here before there was talk of ‘Knightfall’ being one of the next ‘Batman’ stories to be adapted so we will get to see more focus on Azrael in that and I have heard ‘Battle for the Cowl’ is also being rumoured for animated adaption. ‘Eternal’ is the one I want to see the most though which is listed in this list I found below you might like to see and if they were to adapt that and ‘Batman & Robin: Eternal’ together they could make that into a movie series or an animated TV series ‘cause there is a lot in both of them and it was the biggest Bat Family even ever made.
The animated movies have been a lot better than the live action movies and the ‘Arkham’ games are too which is why they should continue and it is a shame that Warner Bros have done such a poor job of handling the characters in live action movies in the past two decades and they should just give the movies to the comic book writers to write ‘cause they are more qualified to write them and know all of the ins and outs of the characters unlike random scriptwriters who decide they want to write one or two superhero movies once in a blue moon. I mean ‘Aquaman’ has been very well received so far and a lot of people have liked that and look who wrote the script. Geoff Johns. Give all the live action movies to the people who write these characters for a living and they will get a lot better. Warner Bros should have never turned down Paul Dini and Peter David’s scripts for Batman and Supergirl. 10 Batman Comics That Deserve an Animated Film www.inverse.com/article/22151-10-batman-comics-dc-animated-films Yeah the Damian films are part of the same continuity as the main JL films, #flashpoint, Death & Reign + Hell To Pay, and if they were forced to just using that it could be like 10 years before we got many more Batfamily members in meaningful ways, the beauty of the multiverse approach to the animated films is we could get a Red Robin in a film just because they feel like it or anyone else, they get to have their cake and eat it to, which is great for us as it means more fun shit.
But I want them to also delve into other characters, why haven't we had a Flash stand alone animated film or a Cyborg why can we not get another GL movie? I also want another Teen Titans movie asap hell why do they not have an Aquaman stand alone movie in the works? come on DC what are you waiting?
I think they should do a Batgirl stand alone movie which can be in continuity, have her doing her thing outside of the bat-fam she deals with lower level stuff but then at the end of the movie she receives a heads up from Batman that he has an eye on her, which then leads to her being the newbie in the family in the next in continuity batman film.
As for the live action yeah they should use the comic writers more, I said before imo they should have the comic writers with the successful track record and tenure under specific chsaracters or titles to be producers or exec producers on the films and have real say, they if nothing else make good governors, they may not tell them what to do in a film but they can tell them what not to do based on their history with the properties, plus give the people some respect for crying out loud.
You make a good point about the animated DC movies Dazz and I like how DC has separated movies going at the same time as their main continuity ‘cause if they only made movies in that universe the movies would be very limited with what they could do and not only would we need to wait longer to see the Bat Family members used in meaningful ways but we would also miss out on seeing a lot of other DC characters that haven't been used in the movies yet that they could introduce in their own movies. A 'Red Robin' or a 'We Are Robin' animated movie could be fun and you might not be aware but there have been a few solo Tim Drake (Robin/ Red Robin) comic book series over the years that I could see being used for an animated film and some of them had Stephanie Brown in them and Nocturna who I think is one of Batman's most underrated female villains and should be given a chance in Live Action or animation. A 'Catwoman' animated movie could be interesting and after the mess they made with the live action movie years ago that wasn't a proper 'Selina Kyle/ Catwoman' movie it would give them a chance to make up for it before using her in live action again.
I would like to see DC tackle more characters in animation especially female superheroes and we have 'DC Superhero Girls' but that is more aimed at little children unlike a lot of the other recent DC Animated movies we have seen that are getting PG and M ratings here and I want to see the characters the way they are in the comic books. I agree with you about Batgirl and think it would be better to have her set up in her own continuity and they could use it to make a proper 'Birds of Prey' animated movie in the future too with Batgirl in it since Warner Bros have decided to make Harley Quinn the main focus of the live action movie which is disappointing. Although looking at their plans to have 'Birds of Prey', 'Gotham City Sirens' and then a 'Birds of Prey vs Gotham City Girls' movie if the first one is successful in between movies of 'Batgirl' and 'Supergirl' I think Batgirl could end up getting added to the third movie if they have Harley side with Poison Ivy and Catwoman. The live action movies could definitely improve if they brought the comic book writers on board and after the overall reception of the DCEU they really need to change their strategy. Here is the new trailer for the next DC animated movie. First Trailer for ‘Justice League vs. The Fatal Five’ Teases the Next DC Animated Moviecollider.com/justice-league-vs-the-fatal-five-trailer/#fatal-five-images-bluray-4k
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