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Post by Aj_June on Jun 10, 2018 20:09:38 GMT
What do you think about the term "conservative"? When you hear the word conservative what are your thoughts and how do you relate to it? Well I'm British, so I think of the Conservative party. The Conservatives are probably the party closest to myself in their policies and outlook, so I mostly think fairly positive things. That's interesting. So is this party actually conservative in policies or just in name?
Here in Australia the Liberal Party of Australia is one of the two main parties but it's social stand is liberal conservatism.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 20:59:51 GMT
Well I'm British, so I think of the Conservative party. The Conservatives are probably the party closest to myself in their policies and outlook, so I mostly think fairly positive things. That's interesting. So is this party actually conservative in policies or just in name? That depends on what you mean by "conservative". One country's conservative may not be seen as such in another. The Conservatives are the most right-wing of the major UK parties. Those further right tend to be fringe parties like the BNP and UKIP. However, the spectrum of British politics is rather left of US politics (as is the politics of more or less everywhere). The average Conservative wants a government run, taxation-funded national health service, a fairly robust welfare state, permissive abortion laws, and a balanced budget that covers the above and is paid for by a low-but-sensible rate of taxation. And supports laws in favour of gay marriage. Which by US standards probably makes them a bunch of screaming extreme-left Stalinist Maoist Marxists. This isn't to say that all Conservatives support all of those things, by the way. You can probably find those who would disagree with some or all of that. But the party's policies cover the above. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 10, 2018 21:00:35 GMT
Those are the main groups, there are variations. In 2016 the Republican Party was in extraordinary disarray because the three main types of conservatism could agree on a platform or candidate going in to the primaries. It is still in disarray. The Old Testament is clear that debt is not for God's people Deut 28:12. The New Testament encourages investments Matt 25:14-30, but not debt. The science of the matter is that debt is not a good thing unless the path to repayment is clear. The path to repayment of the nation's debt is not clear. Yeah, fiscal deficit financed by foreigners can have its negatives but as long as the debt is incurred to finance investments that increase productive capacity of a country the debt is not really bad. Last I saw data of foreign debt among developed countries only Germany seemed to have been in net positive.
That said I think The Herald Erjen once did predict that America will eventually go broke. Yes. Others have made that prediction, and I agree with them. |
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Jun 10, 2018 21:24:14 GMT
What do you think about the term "conservative"? When you hear the word conservative what are your thoughts and how do you relate to it? It makes me think of selfishness, and follows with me imagining crushing someone with a steamroller. |
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Post by goz on Jun 10, 2018 23:54:29 GMT
...when I wear a high necked, sleeved dress with a skirt hemline below the knee.
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Post by progressiveelement on Jun 11, 2018 0:55:39 GMT
Brandy and cigars.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 11, 2018 3:13:01 GMT
It's initially a political term for me.
It can also explain how one lives their life regardless of political position.
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 11, 2018 3:46:20 GMT
It's initially a political term for me. It can also explain how one lives their life regardless of political position. Your case is complicated! |
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 11, 2018 3:46:43 GMT
...when I wear a high necked, sleeved dress with a skirt hemline below the knee. Now that's a witty reply! |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 11, 2018 10:24:22 GMT
It's initially a political term for me. It can also explain how one lives their life regardless of political position. Your case is complicated! How so? |
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Post by Isapop on Jun 11, 2018 10:50:41 GMT
Your case is complicated! How so? , word your answer carefully. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 11, 2018 10:51:54 GMT
Aj_June , word your answer carefully. He doesn't have to reply at all. But yes, he should state things accurately otherwise, what's the point? |
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 11, 2018 10:54:55 GMT
Your case is complicated! How so? There are many complications in your case.
Generally, conservatism is considered synonymous with religious people in USA and you are a religious person. Even purely by your own viewpoints you could be considered a conservative to some degree. You obviously cannot align with Trump given the fact that Trump is a goofball. But you might face the burden of being considered conservative even if you are not willing to be one.
I understand that for some reasons Conservatives in America also seems to be synonymous with white. That gives you a bit of protection.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 11, 2018 13:17:24 GMT
There are many complications in your case.
Generally, conservatism is considered synonymous with religious people in USA and you are a religious person. Even purely by your own viewpoints you could be considered a conservative to some degree. You obviously cannot align with Trump given the fact that Trump is a goofball. But you might face the burden of being considered conservative even if you are not willing to be one.
I understand that for some reasons Conservatives in America also seems to be synonymous with white. That gives you a bit of protection.
I don't need protection do I?
From a political aspect, I would disagree with it being synonymous with religious people. There are plenty of conservatives who are atheist or agnostic. They're all over the politics board.
However, let's pretend that isn't the case. You are mistakenly thinking that to be religious one must be conservative instead of the other way around. They certainly aren't interchangeable.
There are plenty of moderate to liberal religious people making the notion that they are conservative just for being religious an odd one. Were Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama ever considered conservative for being religious? For those that think they are lying and are secretly atheist, then what about Jimmy Carter?
That said, I do live a conservative life. I follow Christian principles, I don't do drugs, I do exercise self-control, I married a woman that would never dream of having an abortion, I belong to a church that doesn't perform gay marriages, etc.. None of that has anything to do with my political views though and how I live is not how I'm defined when discussing social issues since it doesn't matter a hoot to me how other people live..
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 11, 2018 13:23:00 GMT
There are many complications in your case.
Generally, conservatism is considered synonymous with religious people in USA and you are a religious person. Even purely by your own viewpoints you could be considered a conservative to some degree. You obviously cannot align with Trump given the fact that Trump is a goofball. But you might face the burden of being considered conservative even if you are not willing to be one.
I understand that for some reasons Conservatives in America also seems to be synonymous with white. That gives you a bit of protection.
I don't need protection do I?
From a political aspect, I would disagree with it being synonymous with religious people. There are plenty of conservatives who are atheist or agnostic. They're all over the politics board.
However, let's pretend that isn't the case. You are mistakenly thinking that to be religious one must be conservative instead of the other way around. They certainly aren't interchangeable.
There are plenty of moderate to liberal religious people making the notion that they are conservative just for being religious an odd one. Were Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama ever considered conservative for being religious? For those that think they are lying and are secretly atheist, then what about Jimmy Carter?
That said, I do live a conservative life. I follow Christian principles, I don't do drugs, I do exercise self-control, I married a woman that would never dream of having an abortion, I belong to a church that doesn't perform gay marriages, etc.. None of that has anything to do with my political views though and how I live is not how I'm defined when discussing social issues since it doesn't matter a hoot to me how other people live..
I give you shit lots of times, but that was a very good post. |
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Post by Isapop on Jun 11, 2018 14:27:34 GMT
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"Belong"? Do you mean you are now officially a member, that you got baptized? Or not really? |
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 11, 2018 20:21:33 GMT
There are many complications in your case.
Generally, conservatism is considered synonymous with religious people in USA and you are a religious person. Even purely by your own viewpoints you could be considered a conservative to some degree. You obviously cannot align with Trump given the fact that Trump is a goofball. But you might face the burden of being considered conservative even if you are not willing to be one.
I understand that for some reasons Conservatives in America also seems to be synonymous with white. That gives you a bit of protection.
I don't need protection do I?
From a political aspect, I would disagree with it being synonymous with religious people. There are plenty of conservatives who are atheist or agnostic. They're all over the politics board.
However, let's pretend that isn't the case. You are mistakenly thinking that to be religious one must be conservative instead of the other way around. They certainly aren't interchangeable.
There are plenty of moderate to liberal religious people making the notion that they are conservative just for being religious an odd one. Were Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama ever considered conservative for being religious? For those that think they are lying and are secretly atheist, then what about Jimmy Carter?
That said, I do live a conservative life. I follow Christian principles, I don't do drugs, I do exercise self-control, I married a woman that would never dream of having an abortion, I belong to a church that doesn't perform gay marriages, etc.. None of that has anything to do with my political views though and how I live is not how I'm defined when discussing social issues since it doesn't matter a hoot to me how other people live..
Of course you don't need any protection and things may not matter to you as have repeatedly told us that. What I was hinting at you already admitted in your post. Your case is complex because you are a conservative but because of political and social situation of your country you can't politically align with the conservatives of your country. Of course it doesn't matter to you and you don't feel the need to align politically with the conservatives of your country. That goes without saying. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 20:27:06 GMT
What do you think about the term "conservative"? When you hear the word conservative what are your thoughts and how do you relate to it? I think of it in the political sense. Conservatives want to preserve "classic liberalism" via a small state. Progressives, on the other hand, want to achieve "social justice" via a large state. |
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 11, 2018 20:34:06 GMT
What do you think about the term "conservative"? When you hear the word conservative what are your thoughts and how do you relate to it? I think of it in the political sense. Conservatives want to preserve "classic liberalism." Progressives, on the other hand, want to use the state to achieve "social justice." Thanks for sharing your views.
I have not said what the word conservative means to me. I see it primarily in terms of economic policy of non-intervention by government. I support conservative position when it comes to how capital market should be but I do agree with conservatives when it comes to social policies.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 11, 2018 20:35:20 GMT
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"Belong"? Do you mean you are now officially a member, that you got baptized? Or not really? I've always belonged to the church I've gone to. |
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