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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 11, 2018 20:43:50 GMT
It depends on the context, it can mean any number of things (Republican, Christian/religious conservative, prude, conformist, economic conservative, libertarian, neocon, etc), but as a broad term (not applying to any speficifc nation/group of people), I think of it mainly as a "cultural preservationist", trying to maintain tradtion , language, religion, and cultural norms of a society (or perhaps even regressing to an earlier time)
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Post by goz on Jun 12, 2018 2:09:51 GMT
...when I wear a high necked, sleeved dress with a skirt hemline below the knee. Now that's a witty reply! Well, I may have had my tongue firmly planted in my cheek, butt my post engenders more about me than at first sight. Men, in general wouldn't think of this aspect, yet they might be the first to blame a rape victim for 'dressing cheap' or on the other scale a Muslim woman for wearing a burka. As one of the Board's resident feminists I felt it was a chance to bring up the double standard of women and men in clothing, which harks back to religious 'chastity' and women being married and under their husband's control. ALL marks of religious and societal conservatism, and I am guessing more relevant in the USA than here.
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Post by Isapop on Jun 12, 2018 14:28:06 GMT
CoolJGS☺
"Belong"? Do you mean you are now officially a member, that you got baptized? Or not really? I've always belonged to the church I've gone to. So, you're not officially a member of your church, but you say you BELONG to that church. That's just another example of how you ignore the common understanding of words in order to obfuscate and confuse. When a person says "I belong to the Catholic church" (or the Mormon church or the Lutheran church) they understand (and intend) that people will take that as another way of saying, "I am a Catholic" (or a Mormon or a Lutheran).
BUT...when someone asked YOU (months ago), "Are you a Jehovah's Witness", you answered with a plain "No" (correct, strictly speaking). And yet, you feel free to say that you've "always belonged" to their church. You don't see your dishonesty in how you play this game of yours?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 14:34:45 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 12, 2018 15:15:12 GMT
I don't need protection do I?
From a political aspect, I would disagree with it being synonymous with religious people. There are plenty of conservatives who are atheist or agnostic. They're all over the politics board.
However, let's pretend that isn't the case. You are mistakenly thinking that to be religious one must be conservative instead of the other way around. They certainly aren't interchangeable.
There are plenty of moderate to liberal religious people making the notion that they are conservative just for being religious an odd one. Were Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama ever considered conservative for being religious? For those that think they are lying and are secretly atheist, then what about Jimmy Carter?
That said, I do live a conservative life. I follow Christian principles, I don't do drugs, I do exercise self-control, I married a woman that would never dream of having an abortion, I belong to a church that doesn't perform gay marriages, etc.. None of that has anything to do with my political views though and how I live is not how I'm defined when discussing social issues since it doesn't matter a hoot to me how other people live..
Of course you don't need any protection and things may not matter to you as have repeatedly told us that. What I was hinting at you already admitted in your post. Your case is complex because you are a conservative but because of political and social situation of your country you can't politically align with the conservatives of your country. Of course it doesn't matter to you and you don't feel the need to align politically with the conservatives of your country. That goes without saying. You missed the point again.
I cannot align myself with conservatives politically because I'm not a politically conservative.
Can you think of one single issue that I could expand from my personal life to endorse for the entirety of the country? I can't, but maybe you know more about me than I do.
I have explained this quite succinctly in my posts as well, but you somehow missed it.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 12, 2018 15:22:13 GMT
I've always belonged to the church I've gone to. So, you're not officially a member of your church, but you say you BELONG to that church. That's just another example of how you ignore the common understanding of words in order to obfuscate and confuse. When a person says "I belong to the Catholic church" (or the Mormon church or the Lutheran church) they understand (and intend) that people will take that as another way of saying, "I am a Catholic" (or a Mormon or a Lutheran).
BUT...when someone asked YOU (months ago), "Are you a Jehovah's Witness", you answered with a plain "No" (correct, strictly speaking). And yet, you feel free to say that you've "always belonged" to their church. You don't see your dishonesty in how you play this game of yours?
I never said I wasn't a member of a church.
I never said I'm on of Jehovah's Witnesses...who don't call their Kingdom Halls churches anyway.
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Post by Isapop on Jun 12, 2018 16:02:37 GMT
So, you're not officially a member of your church, but you say you BELONG to that church. That's just another example of how you ignore the common understanding of words in order to obfuscate and confuse. When a person says "I belong to the Catholic church" (or the Mormon church or the Lutheran church) they understand (and intend) that people will take that as another way of saying, "I am a Catholic" (or a Mormon or a Lutheran).
BUT...when someone asked YOU (months ago), "Are you a Jehovah's Witness", you answered with a plain "No" (correct, strictly speaking). And yet, you feel free to say that you've "always belonged" to their church. You don't see your dishonesty in how you play this game of yours?
I never said I wasn't a member of a church.
I never said I'm on of Jehovah's Witnesses...who don't call their Kingdom Halls churches anyway.
We know that. What you say is, "I belong to a church"..."I've always belonged to the church I've gone to." But when a poster asked you if you are a JW, you gave him a flat, "No". No qualifiers, no "But I belong...". Just "No." And you find no dishonesty in this?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 12, 2018 16:22:43 GMT
I never said I wasn't a member of a church.
I never said I'm on of Jehovah's Witnesses...who don't call their Kingdom Halls churches anyway.
We know that. What you say is, "I belong to a church"..."I've always belonged to the church I've gone to." But when a poster asked you if you are a JW, you gave him a flat, "No". No qualifiers, no "But I belong...". Just "No." And you find no dishonesty in this?
I don't understand what you're accusing me of.
If I don't divulge what religion I am then why would I ever add a qualifier that defines what religion I belong to?
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Post by Isapop on Jun 12, 2018 16:46:52 GMT
We know that. What you say is, "I belong to a church"..."I've always belonged to the church I've gone to." But when a poster asked you if you are a JW, you gave him a flat, "No". No qualifiers, no "But I belong...". Just "No." And you find no dishonesty in this?
I don't understand what you're accusing me of.
If I don't divulge what religion I am then why would I ever add a qualifier that defines what religion I belong to?
When a poster discerned it and asked you, you flatly denied it.I doubt that anyone who may be following this has trouble understanding how I am accusing you of dishonesty. (If anyone does, just speak up and I'll try to make it even more clear.) Let others be the judge of it.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 12, 2018 17:16:04 GMT
I don't understand what you're accusing me of.
If I don't divulge what religion I am then why would I ever add a qualifier that defines what religion I belong to?
When a poster discerned it and asked you, you flatly denied it.I doubt that anyone who may be following this has trouble understanding how I am accusing you of dishonesty. (If anyone does, just speak up and I'll try to make it even more clear.) Let others be the judge of it. I definitely get that you are calling me dishonest, you just aren't given a decent reason as to why telling you the truth is the same thing as being dishonest.
Maybe links and quotes are in order?
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 12, 2018 18:55:00 GMT
Of course you don't need any protection and things may not matter to you as have repeatedly told us that. What I was hinting at you already admitted in your post. Your case is complex because you are a conservative but because of political and social situation of your country you can't politically align with the conservatives of your country. Of course it doesn't matter to you and you don't feel the need to align politically with the conservatives of your country. That goes without saying. You missed the point again.
I cannot align myself with conservatives politically because I'm not a politically conservative.
Can you think of one single issue that I could expand from my personal life to endorse for the entirety of the country? I can't, but maybe you know more about me than I do.
I have explained this quite succinctly in my posts as well, but you somehow missed it.
and you missed the point again. You also cannot align with conservatives even if you wanted to align with them. You simply do not have that choice. I am not saying you are politically conservative or not.
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 13, 2018 7:46:04 GMT
phludowinThat's not really a bad thing in a basic sense as like I always say the general morals of the country have really taken a solid hit over the last 50 years or so. hell, even the last 20 years things have taken a solid hit to. where does it end? that's why I think conservatives and liberals are so far apart nowadays as the liberals have pretty much went off-the-rails where as us conservatives stayed mostly the same especially on major moral issues like abortion as like I always say, someone who can't even get that issue right, which is a basic life issue, not a choice, will pretty much get many other moral issues backwards to. hence, with euthanasia/gay agenda etc. liberals are on the wrong side with these in regard to God who sets the standard by which us humans should live by as it's for our own good whether we agree with it or not. go too far over the line and as the saying goes, 'you reap what you sow'. many have rejected God and His ways nowadays and it shows in society with general moral decline etc. like for those of us who believe in God (i.e. The Holy Trinity(Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) it's pretty easy to see that in terms of general morality, things have definitely taken a hit in the last 50 years or so (NOTE: don't get me wrong, in some ways we have improved since the old days). but I basically see a correlation with moral decline and those rejecting God as you can see Christianity, which is pretty much the foundation of this country (USA), has take a hit here for many as time passed and as they brushed God aside in comes the lack of morals and after a certain point society starts to break down etc. many seem to think morality is subjective and when you go down that path, things inevitably break down as time passes because people will start basing things based on their personal feelings than God's truth which will not be good because we have a fallen nature after the fall of Adam/Eve and will inevitably make wrong choices (that's where the Catholic church comes into play to guide people on morals as it's basically the moral guide of the world). because not everything that's appealing is actually good. I think one area this is really abused is the sexual desire as many are sleeping together outside of marriage etc. God says it's a sin, so we know that's bad regardless of our feelings about it, but many just don't care etc etc.
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Post by goz on Jun 13, 2018 8:34:18 GMT
phludowin That's not really a bad thing in a basic sense as like I always say the general morals of the country have really taken a solid hit over the last 50 years or so. hell, even the last 20 years things have taken a solid hit to. where does it end? that's why I think conservatives and liberals are so far apart nowadays as the liberals have pretty much went off-the-rails where as us conservatives stayed mostly the same especially on major moral issues like abortion as like I always say, someone who can't even get that issue right, which is a basic life issue, not a choice, will pretty much get many other moral issues backwards to. hence, with euthanasia/gay agenda etc. liberals are on the wrong side with these in regard to God who sets the standard by which us humans should live by as it's for our own good whether we agree with it or not. go too far over the line and as the saying goes, 'you reap what you sow'. many have rejected God and His ways nowadays and it shows in society with general moral decline etc. like for those of us who believe in God (i.e. The Holy Trinity(Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) it's pretty easy to see that in terms of general morality, things have definitely taken a hit in the last 50 years or so (NOTE: don't get me wrong, in some ways we have improved since the old days). but I basically see a correlation with moral decline and those rejecting God as you can see Christianity, which is pretty much the foundation of this country (USA), has take a hit here for many as time passed and as they brushed God aside in comes the lack of morals and after a certain point society starts to break down etc. many seem to think morality is subjective and when you go down that path, things inevitably break down as time passes because people will start basing things based on their personal feelings than God's truth which will not be good because we have a fallen nature after the fall of Adam/Eve and will inevitably make wrong choices (that's where the Catholic church comes into play to guide people on morals as it's basically the moral guide of the world). because not everything that's appealing is actually good. I think one area this is really abused is the sexual desire as many are sleeping together outside of marriage etc. God says it's a sin, so we know that's bad regardless of our feelings about it, but many just don't care etc etc. … and if God does not exist this is all nonsense.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 13, 2018 11:30:39 GMT
You missed the point again.
I cannot align myself with conservatives politically because I'm not a politically conservative.
Can you think of one single issue that I could expand from my personal life to endorse for the entirety of the country? I can't, but maybe you know more about me than I do.
I have explained this quite succinctly in my posts as well, but you somehow missed it.
and you missed the point again. You also cannot align with conservatives even if you wanted to align with them. You simply do not have that choice. I am not saying you are politically conservative or not. This doesn't explain why the situation is complex in relation to me.
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 13, 2018 12:31:39 GMT
and you missed the point again. You also cannot align with conservatives even if you wanted to align with them. You simply do not have that choice. I am not saying you are politically conservative or not. This doesn't explain why the situation is complex in relation to me. Already explained it.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 13, 2018 12:38:57 GMT
This doesn't explain why the situation is complex in relation to me. Already explained it. I know. You're incorrect based on your own statement, but whatever makes you happy.
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 13, 2018 12:42:34 GMT
I know. You're incorrect based on your own statement, but whatever makes you happy. "You are incorrect". Lol. Incorrect on my "opinion" that your situation is complex. But yeah, whatever makes you happy.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 13, 2018 12:46:50 GMT
I know. You're incorrect based on your own statement, but whatever makes you happy. "You are incorrect". Lol. Incorrect on my "opinion" that your situation is complex. But yeah, whatever makes you happy. You can certainly think of it as complex on the basis of you not understanding that someone can live conservatively and not be anywhere near a political conservative. I have no intentions of changing your opinion which I've learned is not worth the effort for most people here. You are incorrect in stating thinking the two types of conservatism is interchangeable. There's no complexity for normal people. It's really odd considering you accepting the same answer from others and yet my situation is complex lol.
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 13, 2018 12:51:30 GMT
"You are incorrect". Lol. Incorrect on my "opinion" that your situation is complex. But yeah, whatever makes you happy. You can certainly think of it as complex on the basis of you not understanding that someone can live conservatively and not be anywhere near a political conservative. I have no intentions of changing your opinion which I've learned is not worth the effort for most people here. You are incorrect in stating thinking the two types of conservatism is interchangeable. There's no complexity for normal people. It's really odd considering you accepting the same answer from others and yet my situation is complex lol. The only one who is incorrect among us is you in attributing on me whatever beliefs you have. But yeah, whatever makes you happy bro.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 13, 2018 14:48:29 GMT
You can certainly think of it as complex on the basis of you not understanding that someone can live conservatively and not be anywhere near a political conservative. I have no intentions of changing your opinion which I've learned is not worth the effort for most people here. You are incorrect in stating thinking the two types of conservatism is interchangeable. There's no complexity for normal people. It's really odd considering you accepting the same answer from others and yet my situation is complex lol. The only one who is incorrect among us is you in attributing on me whatever beliefs you have. But yeah, whatever makes you happy bro. Cool beans
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