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Post by kratos on Jun 18, 2018 20:15:56 GMT
Across the movies who of all the Superheros in the MCU have saved the most people?
Captain America saved a lot of people in his first two movies. Iron Man saved New York. Thor...I don't really remember.
Black Panther, Ant-man and Spider-man not many. Doctor Strange I guess saved the world? Guardians of the Galaxy saved Xandar and other planets from Ego.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 18, 2018 22:46:58 GMT
Across the movies who of all the Superheros in the MCU have saved the most people? Captain America saved a lot of people in his first two movies. Iron Man saved New York. Thor...I don't really remember. Black Panther, Ant-man and Spider-man not many. Doctor Strange I guess saved the world? Guardians of the Galaxy saved Xandar and other planets from Ego. No contest, Dr. Strange. He didn't just save the world. He saved all of time, space and reality throughout the multiverse. Thor saved the Universe in TDW. Malekith would have plunged the cosmos into an eternal night. The Guardians of the Galaxy saved multiple worlds from Ego's spores. That's billions of sentient lives, KRATOS.
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Post by kratos on Jun 19, 2018 14:19:47 GMT
Why do you keep bolding my name?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 19, 2018 16:08:09 GMT
Why do you keep bolding my name? If you make it to 150 posts on this board, I will answer your question. Hee hee hee...
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 19, 2018 16:11:18 GMT
Why do you keep bolding my name? If you make it to 150 posts on this board, I will answer your question. Hee hee hee... Okay, but, what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 19, 2018 16:13:33 GMT
If you make it to 150 posts on this board, I will answer your question. Hee hee hee... Okay, but, what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? IDK. It varies? Hee hee hee...
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Post by scabab on Jun 19, 2018 21:38:11 GMT
Ironically probably Peter Quill by stopping Ego. He then went on to be the cause for most of the deaths in Infinity War.
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Post by dazz on Jun 19, 2018 22:45:48 GMT
Thor in TDW he saves the universe, in Thor 1 he saves the Frost Giants & their planet and in Ragnarok he saves untold many lives by stopping Hela.
Dr Strange saves the world but if Dormamu would have been a threat beyond that is kind of iffy, GOTG save Xandar from Ronan and what seems like atleast 100+ worlds from Ego, just counting Xandar & Earth that reaches close to 20 billion lives, and The Avengers saved the world twice but one you maybe don't count because Ultron is kind of sorta their fault, but that's atleast & billion there.
So it's 1: Thor with a Universe + several worlds, 2: GOTG with 20 Billion and atleast 100 of so more inhabited planets, Avengers with the planet x2 plus New York, or just the planet plus NY, then Dr Strange with the planet, 5th I guess would have to be Cap for TWS as surely Hydra were planning on taking out a few hundred million people, I say 10% of the population at a minimum so that's 700 Million plus easy.
That's my list atleast.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 20, 2018 0:22:48 GMT
Phil Coulson.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 20, 2018 11:57:15 GMT
Ironically probably Peter Quill by stopping Ego. He then went on to be the cause for most of the deaths in Infinity War. Why does everyone blame Star Lord? Why not blame Strange for giving Thanos the time stone? Thor for not going for the head? Gamora for telling Thanos where the soul stone was? Vision, Scarlet Witch and Cap for not pulling the Mind stone from Vision and destroying it long before Thanos got there? Hell, blame Tyrion for making the gauntlet. No single person is to blame for Thanos's victory. I don't understand the 'Star-Lord screwed it up' narrative the public seems fixated on. (But I wish it would carry over to Jurassic World and make that idiotic movie bomb.)
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Post by scabab on Jun 20, 2018 12:20:12 GMT
Why does everyone blame Star Lord? Why not blame Strange for giving Thanos the time stone? Thor for not going for the head? Gamora for telling Thanos where the soul stone was? Vision, Scarlet Witch and Cap for not pulling the Mind stone from Vision and destroying it long before Thanos got there? Hell, blame Tyrion for making the gauntlet. No single person is to blame for Thanos's victory. With Doctor Strange him giving Thanos the stone surely had something to do with keeping Tony Stark alive in the winning scenario. Thor can't really be blamed either, can't blame him for thinking that throwing a powerful axe deep into someone's chest wouldn't work. Star Lord clearly got in the way when all the others were working together and almost got the gauntlet off.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 20, 2018 12:35:48 GMT
Why does everyone blame Star Lord? Why not blame Strange for giving Thanos the time stone? Thor for not going for the head? Gamora for telling Thanos where the soul stone was? Vision, Scarlet Witch and Cap for not pulling the Mind stone from Vision and destroying it long before Thanos got there? Hell, blame Tyrion for making the gauntlet. No single person is to blame for Thanos's victory. With Doctor Strange him giving Thanos the stone surely had something to do with keeping Tony Stark alive in the winning scenario. Thor can't really be blamed either, can't blame him for thinking that throwing a powerful axe deep into someone's chest wouldn't work. Star Lord clearly got in the way when all the others were working together and almost got the gauntlet off. And Strange did nothing to stop him. Probably for the same reason you pointed out about the Time Stone. Everything you said is true, but it doesn't make Star Lord any more to blame for Thanos's victory than anyone else. Star-Lord is the only hero in the film (other than Strange, which will be revealed in A4) that actually had the balls to sacrifice someone he loved for the greater good. He straight up tried to shoot Gamora! Cap and his crew refused to let Vision die (a decision I've defended in the past) until it was far too late, and Gamora chose to save her sister's life (dooming her to continued torture instead, as far as we can tell) at the risk of half the life in the entire universe-- despite having the most knowledge of the situation among all the heroes. I don't blame any of them. They did what I think most people would do in these extreme circumstances. I just think it's crazy to blame any one character more than anyone else. It's never one mistake that leads to catastrophe, it's always a confluence of events.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 21, 2018 5:24:49 GMT
Why does everyone blame Star Lord? Why not blame Strange for giving Thanos the time stone? Thor for not going for the head? Gamora for telling Thanos where the soul stone was? Vision, Scarlet Witch and Cap for not pulling the Mind stone from Vision and destroying it long before Thanos got there? Hell, blame Tyrion for making the gauntlet. No single person is to blame for Thanos's victory. With Doctor Strange him giving Thanos the stone surely had something to do with keeping Tony Stark alive in the winning scenario. Doctor Strange giving Thanos the Time Stone because he wanted to keep Tony Stark alive in the winning scenario is just another example of the awful BS writing in MCU movies. If Doctor Strange knew that the only winning scenario was for Tony Stark to live, then why didn't Doctor Strange just give Thanos the Time Stone when Thanos first confronted them? Why wait until after Thanos had stabbed Tony Stark in the shoulder before giving Thanos the Time Stone? What if Thanos had better aim and stabbed Tony Stark through the heart instead of the shoulder? This is why Doctor Strange giving Thanos the Time Stone after Thanos stabbed Tony Stark made no sense at all and was just really awful writing.
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Post by dazz on Jun 21, 2018 11:23:51 GMT
With Doctor Strange him giving Thanos the stone surely had something to do with keeping Tony Stark alive in the winning scenario. Doctor Strange giving Thanos the Time Stone because he wanted to keep Tony Stark alive in the winning scenario is just another example of the awful BS writing in MCU movies. If Doctor Strange knew that the only winning scenario was for Tony Stark to live, then why didn't Doctor Strange just give Thanos the Time Stone when Thanos first confronted them? Why wait until after Thanos had stabbed Tony Stark in the shoulder before giving Thanos the Time Stone? What if Thanos had better aim and stabbed Tony Stark through the heart instead of the shoulder? This is why Doctor Strange giving Thanos the Time Stone after Thanos stabbed Tony Stark made no sense at all and was just really awful writing. It's not awful writing you idiot you just are too dumb to understand the scenario, Strange saw millions of possible scenarios and found 1 where they succeed, now in that 1 scenario only he knows the sequence of events, and can there by be influenced by them, ie he is the only one if they follow that path that could create deviations as otherwise everyone else will act as they naturally would, so Strange HAS to let things play out as they did, and so long as HE does as he is meant to things should line up, which clearly by him going along with what to seems to be suicidal especially given he know if he's one of those who get wiped out or not.
Strange cant just give up the stone because that alters the flow of things, because clearly who we get left with at the end of the film are who are needed to stop Thanos and fix everything, but if Thanos gets to earth sooner maybe he actually kills more than just Vision, maybe he kills Cap or Banner or maybe he gets the final stone before Groot can create the handle for Stormbreaker, or maybe giant Tyrion goes bye bye with everyone else and they cant forge Stormbreaker at all.
As it is the pieces needed to fall as they did because even in defeat a lot of the Avengers survived namely 2 of their big guns in Banner & Thor, seeing as how Vision had to die for Thanos to get the stone and Wanda got disintegrated as did Strange no matter when they lost they were going to lose these guys, but an earlier confrontation and Thanos may have killed Banner or Thor leaving them utterly outclassed, and in the scenario that got played out Thor saw Thanos is not invulnerable all he needs to do is land the right blow to take him down, which is vital for the comeback, because though Thanos won he is shown to have some vulnerability which even now they can hold on to as they head into a return match.
Also if Strange just gave up the stone without a fight no way Thanos is dumb enough not to assume something is up, they already killed one of his men rather than hand over the stone but then they came to his world anyway only to surrender? no he'll know something fishy is going on and as he has the time stone he can do wha Strange did and see the 1 way he loses and then adjust for it, it's not as simple as oh have to give Thanos the stone, Strange needed a plausible excuse to do so, we know him doing so for Tony HAS to be a part of a game plan because we know he and Tony are not friends and he's told Tony already if it comes down to you or the stone I pick the stone, but Thanos doesn't, to him Strange is just being weak and being unwilling to sacrifice his friend, it's playing on Thanos's preconceived notions when in actuality Strange is making the ultimate sacrifice killing himself and leaving all hope in him being brought back in the hands of someone he doesn't like.
But of course you'll ignore my points take a single line out of context and start throwing poop like a chimp in a zoo because well you have the same IQ as one.
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Post by palerider on Jun 21, 2018 11:51:47 GMT
With Doctor Strange him giving Thanos the stone surely had something to do with keeping Tony Stark alive in the winning scenario. Doctor Strange giving Thanos the Time Stone because he wanted to keep Tony Stark alive in the winning scenario is just another example of the awful BS writing in MCU movies. If Doctor Strange knew that the only winning scenario was for Tony Stark to live, then why didn't Doctor Strange just give Thanos the Time Stone when Thanos first confronted them? Why wait until after Thanos had stabbed Tony Stark in the shoulder before giving Thanos the Time Stone? What if Thanos had better aim and stabbed Tony Stark through the heart instead of the shoulder? This is why Doctor Strange giving Thanos the Time Stone after Thanos stabbed Tony Stark made no sense at all and was just really awful writing. He didn't look into the future until after they were on Titan and only then did he know how to win. We don't know how Tony plays into it. You can't write off the story until you see the other half.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jun 21, 2018 18:55:20 GMT
Across the movies who of all the Superheros in the MCU have saved the most people? Across the movies of ALL Superheroes who has saved the most people?
period
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 22, 2018 8:16:45 GMT
It's not awful writing you idiot you just are too dumb to understand the scenario, Strange saw millions of possible scenarios and found 1 where they succeed, now in that 1 scenario only he knows the sequence of events It is awful writing and you seemed to completely miss the point. Strange may have seen millions of scenarios and knows 1 of the many possible winning scenarios (I say many possible winning scenarios because Strange was lying and there are clearly multiple winning scenarios, which I will expand on later in this post) and only he knows the sequence of events in the winning scenario, but the fact that no one else knows the sequence of events in the winning scenario means that no one else will necessarily follow that sequence AND Strange has no way of knowing if everyone will follow the sequence that he wants them to follow. Now I know that's a bit too complicated for you to understand so I'll try to explain it to you with a couple of examples: 1. Strange knows that his winning scenario involves Thanos not killing Tony Stark. But Thanos doesn't know that he's not supposed to kill Tony Stark. So if Thanos had stabbed Tony Stark through the heart instead of the shoulder, then Strange's winning scenario is lost. Or if Thanos promises not to kill Tony Stark in exchange for Strange giving him the Time Stone but still kills Tony Stark after Strange gives him the Time Stone, then Strange's winning scenario is lost. The point is, Strange has no way of knowing what Thanos would do, whether Thanos would've stabbed Tony Stark through the heart or whether Thanos would've kept his promise not to kill Tony Stark. So if Strange needed Tony Stark to live, then why risk everything on an unknown (i.e. Will Thanos have bad aim and miss Tony Stark's heart? Will Thanos keep his promise not to kill Tony Stark?) instead of just giving the Time Stone to Thanos immediately and avoid the risk of the unknown? Because it ws just awul, contrived writing for plot convenience. 2. Strange knows that his winning scenario involves not getting the gauntlet off Thanos' hand (which is another stupid contrived plot because if they did succeed in getting the guantlet off Thanos' hand, why would that result in a losing scenario?). But Strange has no way of knowing that Starlord would be such a selfish dick and stop them from getting the guantlet off Thanos' hand. What if Starlord hadn't acted like such a dick and didn't stop them and they had succeeded in getting the guantlet off Thanos' hand? Is Strange suddenly going to say "Wait! We're not supposed to take the guantlet off Thanos' hand. Sorry, Mr. Thanos, we need to give you back the guantlet and while we're at it, here's the Time Stone as well. Take it and go to Earth and get the last stone from Vision. You'll find him hiding in Wakanda."? Like I said above, the writing in Infinity War is just really awful and stupid! As it is the pieces needed to fall as they did because even in defeat a lot of the Avengers survived namely 2 of their big guns in Banner & Thor And like I said above, you completely missed the point. Strange knows the pieces needed to fall as they did, but Strange has no way of knowing if the pieces would fall as they did. Strange has no way of knowing what Starlord would do (i.e. whether or not Starlord would act like a selfish dick and stop them from getting the guantlet off Thanos' hand) or what Thanos would do (i.e. whether or not Thanos would keep his promise not to kill Tony Stark in exchange for the Time Stone). So like I said above, the writing in Infinity War is just really awful and stupid! Also if Strange just gave up the stone without a fight no way Thanos is dumb enough not to assume something is up, they already killed one of his men rather than hand over the stone but then they came to his world anyway only to surrender? no he'll know something fishy is going on and as he has the time stone he can do wha Strange did and see the 1 way he loses and then adjust for it, it's not as simple as oh have to give Thanos the stone, Strange needed a plausible excuse to do so So if Starlord hadn't acted like such a selfish dick and stopped them and they had succeeded in getting the guantlet off Thanos' hand, what would be Strange's plausible excuse fo giving the guantlet back to Thanos and giving the Time Stone to Thanos? Like I said above, the writing in Infinity War is just really awful and stupid! As for the multiple possible winning scenarios, here are the other possible winning scenarios: 1. Starlord doesn't act like a selfish dick and stop them and they succeed in getting the guantlet off Thanos' hand. 2. Thor goes for Thanos' head with the axe and chops off Thanos' head. 3. Thor chops off Thanos' hand, which makes it impossible for Thanos to snap his fingers. So Strange lied about there being only 1 winning scenario since there are clearly multiple winning scenarios. Either that or it was just another MCU gaffe, like the "8 Years Later" gaffe in SMH.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 22, 2018 11:48:39 GMT
At most, Superman has only saved the Earth in the movies. Hell, the Guardians have saved multiple planets more than once, so they have Superman beat. Thor saved the universe in TDW.
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Post by palerider on Jun 22, 2018 11:50:14 GMT
It's not awful writing you idiot you just are too dumb to understand the scenario, Strange saw millions of possible scenarios and found 1 where they succeed, now in that 1 scenario only he knows the sequence of events It is awful writing No, just beyond your comprehension. Wait for part 2.
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Post by dazz on Jun 22, 2018 15:39:36 GMT
It's not awful writing you idiot you just are too dumb to understand the scenario, Strange saw millions of possible scenarios and found 1 where they succeed, now in that 1 scenario only he knows the sequence of events It is awful writing and you seemed to completely miss the point. Strange may have seen millions of scenarios and knows 1 of the many possible winning scenarios (I say many possible winning scenarios because Strange was lying and there are clearly multiple winning scenarios, which I will expand on later in this post) and only he knows the sequence of events in the winning scenario, but the fact that no one else knows the sequence of events in the winning scenario means that no one else will necessarily follow that sequence AND Strange has no way of knowing if everyone will follow the sequence that he wants them to follow. Now I know that's a bit too complicated for you to understand so I'll try to explain it to you with a couple of examples: 1. Strange knows that his winning scenario involves Thanos not killing Tony Stark. But Thanos doesn't know that he's not supposed to kill Tony Stark. So if Thanos had stabbed Tony Stark through the heart instead of the shoulder, then Strange's winning scenario is lost. Or if Thanos promises not to kill Tony Stark in exchange for Strange giving him the Time Stone but still kills Tony Stark after Strange gives him the Time Stone, then Strange's winning scenario is lost. The point is, Strange has no way of knowing what Thanos would do, whether Thanos would've stabbed Tony Stark through the heart or whether Thanos would've kept his promise not to kill Tony Stark. So if Strange needed Tony Stark to live, then why risk everything on an unknown (i.e. Will Thanos have bad aim and miss Tony Stark's heart? Will Thanos keep his promise not to kill Tony Stark?) instead of just giving the Time Stone to Thanos immediately and avoid the risk of the unknown? Because it ws just awul, contrived writing for plot convenience. 2. Strange knows that his winning scenario involves not getting the gauntlet off Thanos' hand (which is another stupid contrived plot because if they did succeed in getting the guantlet off Thanos' hand, why would that result in a losing scenario?). But Strange has no way of knowing that Starlord would be such a selfish dick and stop them from getting the guantlet off Thanos' hand. What if Starlord hadn't acted like such a dick and didn't stop them and they had succeeded in getting the guantlet off Thanos' hand? Is Strange suddenly going to say "Wait! We're not supposed to take the guantlet off Thanos' hand. Sorry, Mr. Thanos, we need to give you back the guantlet and while we're at it, here's the Time Stone as well. Take it and go to Earth and get the last stone from Vision. You'll find him hiding in Wakanda."? Like I said above, the writing in Infinity War is just really awful and stupid! As it is the pieces needed to fall as they did because even in defeat a lot of the Avengers survived namely 2 of their big guns in Banner & Thor And like I said above, you completely missed the point. Strange knows the pieces needed to fall as they did, but Strange has no way of knowing if the pieces would fall as they did. Strange has no way of knowing what Starlord would do (i.e. whether or not Starlord would act like a selfish dick and stop them from getting the guantlet off Thanos' hand) or what Thanos would do (i.e. whether or not Thanos would keep his promise not to kill Tony Stark in exchange for the Time Stone). So like I said above, the writing in Infinity War is just really awful and stupid! Also if Strange just gave up the stone without a fight no way Thanos is dumb enough not to assume something is up, they already killed one of his men rather than hand over the stone but then they came to his world anyway only to surrender? no he'll know something fishy is going on and as he has the time stone he can do wha Strange did and see the 1 way he loses and then adjust for it, it's not as simple as oh have to give Thanos the stone, Strange needed a plausible excuse to do so So if Starlord hadn't acted like such a selfish dick and stopped them and they had succeeded in getting the guantlet off Thanos' hand, what would be Strange's plausible excuse fo giving the guantlet back to Thanos and giving the Time Stone to Thanos? Like I said above, the writing in Infinity War is just really awful and stupid! As for the multiple possible winning scenarios, here are the other possible winning scenarios: 1. Starlord doesn't act like a selfish dick and stop them and they succeed in getting the guantlet off Thanos' hand. 2. Thor goes for Thanos' head with the axe and chops off Thanos' head. 3. Thor chops off Thanos' hand, which makes it impossible for Thanos to snap his fingers. So Strange lied about there being only 1 winning scenario since there are clearly multiple winning scenarios. Either that or it was just another MCU gaffe, like the "8 Years Later" gaffe in SMH. Except you seem to assume just because something may happen it will lead to victory, as is we don't even know if A: Thanos getting his head cut out will = instant death, or if splitting his head in two will do the same or even if cutting off his hand will mean he cannot still use it in some way, also you just assume that's an easy thing to do, we don't know if Thanos has relatively weaker bone density in his chest to his arms or neck, he's not human he may resemble use to an extent physically on the outside but on the inside he may be vastly different, as is even burying the axe in his chest it didn't go through him, it didn't even go deep enough to have the entire axe head buried in him, so how is Thor on his own meant to be able to pin Thanos down who has shown to be physically stronger than Thor and hack off his hand or head exactly?
Strange knows the events in which things have to happen to ensure future things happen when they do, he knows Tony cant die, he also knows he needs to buy X amount of time to ensure Thanos takes on not only everyone on Titan but everyone he did on earth, which means he needs to make sure Thanos cannot win until after Groot helps forge Stormbreaker and they arrive on earth, he knows no one on Titan can be killed until the snap.
Heres where you don't get it, in the idea of telling the future if you know the exact location and where they are going and how fast of every atom or molecule I forget which in the universe you can correctly predict how the future will unfold because you know exactly where everything is going, which is essentially what Strange has done, he knows exactly what happens with A when B happens to C, and what D does when A reacts and how E responds, he knows exactly what happens full stop and he clearly ensured that's the path they were on.
Your well what if Thanos did this Strange knows Thanos is honourable in his sick way, he also could use the time stone if the blow Thanos landed was a fatal one or not, hell he could have made saving Tony part of the deal for the stone knowing Thanos could use his powers to do so this is all idiocy on your part.
As for getting the gauntlet off of Thanos theres no proof that would have won the day clearly Strange knew that was going to happen why not restrain Quill to ensure he doesn't fuck things up? because clearly that's a non-issue were meant to think "Oh FFS Starlord you idiot" but in reality Starlord going ape or keeping calm was a negligible detail that you simply don't comprehend.
You seem to think this is a case similar to that of the water droplet in Jurassic Park with Ian Malcolm describing chaos theory where repeating the same actions at different times with slight differences in the situation can result in very different outcomes, it's not, it's recreating the exact actions at the same time in the same place with the same people, there by perfectly recreating the same situation to get the same results, Strange could have and being a scientist/doctor would have wanted to verify the results of the scenario he saw to make sure it wasn't a fluke, which he could have and likely did, so he would know making sure events play out as he saw is the only chance they have.
And he knows of only 1 outcome that can result in success, does that mean this is it? no maybe after the snap with how he laid things out there are 5 scenarios that will play out ultimately and only 1 of them is a possible victory but still this way he widdled it down from 1 in 6 million to 1 in 5 chances, or hell even if it's now a 1 in 1000 it's still 6000 times better odds than they had before, and if the 1 chance requires he die because of the snap he can only do so much because if he does anymore all he can do is alter the path he set them on there by setting them onto a different one making it all a fuck up, and he could know specifically telling Tony or anyone else how things have to happen makes it so they wont hence why he doesn't.
But like I said your too stupid to get this so whatever.
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