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Post by spiderwort on Jun 27, 2018 0:28:03 GMT
Mine as well, Spider -- and I have his soundtrack. Me, too. The LP version. It's gorgeous! It must be - oh, wow - 55 years old! But it's in mint condition.
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Post by mattgarth on Jun 27, 2018 0:49:46 GMT
Mine as well, Spider -- and I have his soundtrack. Me, too. The LP version. It's gorgeous! It must be - oh, wow - 55 years old! But it's in mint condition.
So am I. oops, I mean so is mine.
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Post by jervistetch on Jun 27, 2018 1:02:56 GMT
Speaking of THE CARDINAL, its star Tom Tryon eventually left acting and tried his hand at writing. He penned a bestseller named "The Other". It was adapted into a 1972 film by Robert Mulligan. Set on a New England farm in 1935, THE OTHER tells the tale of troubled, adolescent twin brothers Niles and Holland and the havoc and horror they bring upon their family and community. It is eerie and unsettling and ranks high on my personal list of psychological horror films. If you haven't seen it, please do.
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Post by spiderwort on Jun 27, 2018 1:16:20 GMT
One of my favorites of all horror films, jervis - and I think one of the scariest and the best. I once worked with the man who cut sound effects on the film, and he told me that when he asked Tryon how he was able to write something so terrifying, Tom replied, "On a float in the middle of my swimming pool on bright, sunny days." That certainly makes sense to me.
An underrated, too often overlooked film, in my opinion.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 27, 2018 2:09:42 GMT
CAPONE ends in the 1930s
F.I.S.T starts in the 1930s
DOC SAVAGE THE MAN OF BRONZE 1975 is set in the 1930s
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Post by mattgarth on Jun 27, 2018 4:29:12 GMT
Speaking of THE CARDINAL, its star Tom Tryon eventually left acting and tried his hand at writing. He penned a bestseller named "The Other". It was adapted into a 1972 film by Robert Mulligan. Set on a New England farm in 1935, THE OTHER tells the tale of troubled, adolescent twin brothers Niles and Holland and the havoc and horror they bring upon their family and community. It is eerie and unsettling and ranks high on my personal list of psychological horror films. If you haven't seen it, please do. Strangely enough, Tom Tryon's two best acting performances (CARDINAL and HARM'S WAY) were under the direction of tyrannical filmmaker Otto Preminger -- the guy responsible for driving him out of acting and into writing. Tonight I watched him give a stiff performance in the Stewart role in the TV remake of WINCHESTER '73. A Jimmy he ain't! Otto may have been merciless in handling the sensitive actor, but he did squeeze a performance out of him in CARDINAL that was worthy of an Oscar nomination.
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Post by spiderwort on Sept 14, 2019 21:26:22 GMT
Bumping this thread to share this famous Depression era anthem I came across, "Brother, Can you Spare a Dime," sung by Al Jolson.
The song was written by Jay Gorney, father of Karen Gorney who played opposite John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever, and the lyrics were written by Yip Harburg, most famous for writing the lyrics to "Over the Rainbow" from The Wizard of Oz.
It's a great song that was so important in the time it was written. Enjoy.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Sept 14, 2019 22:34:37 GMT
Bumping this thread to share this famous Depression era anthem I came across, "Brother, Can you Spare a Dime," sung by Al Jolson. The song was written by Jay Gorney, father of Karen Gorney who played opposite John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever, and the lyrics were written by Yip Harburg, most famous for writing the lyrics to "Over the Rainbow" from The Wizard of Oz. It's a great song that was so important in the time it was written. Enjoy. Jolson's one of those performers who doesn't necessarily "age well" to younger ears; he undoubtedly retains admirers more than a century after coming to prominence, but my unofficial observance has been that most contemporary audiences find him overbearing and off-putting. For me, he's become an acquired taste and, bringing his Vaudevillian style into the age of recording, radio and talkies, represented a human document of a vanishing era. Jolson never put this song to shellac; this was most probably an "air check" (what they called) made from a radio appearance before an in-studio audience. I've read many accounts of his mastery before live assemblages, radiating presence and charisma that put them into the palm of his hand. Since we're talking about the '30s, Bing Crosby's original 1932 recording (the first, and only about six weeks shy of its Oct 25 87th birthday) provides an interesting comparison to Jolson's emphatic style, and is its own document of what was then considered the last word in musical modernity. Crosby's at the peak of his vocal powers, demonstrating youthful range, fluidity and control in going from understatement to crescendo.
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Post by spiderwort on Sept 14, 2019 23:17:07 GMT
Doghouse6 Couldn't agree more with you about Crosby's version being better (and about Jolson's vaudevillian voice for sure), but I selected the Jolson clip because it had images with it. Interestingly, the song actually was first sung in a New York revue called "Americana." It premiered in 1926 and played into 1927. Not sure who sang it then. But it's always been a song that's had a lot of meaning for me, for reasons that I don't fully understand. It's as if I'd lived through the Depression myself, like my parents did. Maybe a past life experience, who knows? Anyway, I think it's just such a wonderful song that tells so much about the Depression era, which people could relate to then and still can relate to now. Decades ago I was briefly friends with Karen Gorney, but only about five years ago learned that her father wrote this song. I was stunned, needless to say, given my deep connection to it. Would have loved to have discussed it with her, but we lost touch so long ago. Thanks for your insightful comments and for posting the Crosby version. I love his voice, whatever he sings, and he certainly does right by "Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?"
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Post by louise on Sept 15, 2019 10:52:32 GMT
Many of my favourite films were made in the 30s. Some of my favourites are:
Trouble In Paradise (1932) Goodbye Again (1933) First A Girl (1935) The Goose and the Gander (1935) Stand-In (1937) Bringing Up Baby (1938) Midnight (1939) Ask A Policeman (1939)
Of modern films set in the 30s I can't think of many that I really like. Death on the Nile (1978) and Evil Under the Sun (1982) come to mind.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Sept 15, 2019 11:13:47 GMT
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Post by koskiewicz on Sept 15, 2019 15:15:50 GMT
A few more:
Cotton Club w/Richard Gere Dillinger w/Lawrence Tierney Little Caesar w/Edward G
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Post by Doghouse6 on Sept 15, 2019 15:55:51 GMT
Doghouse6 Couldn't agree more with you about Crosby's version being better (and about Jolson's vaudevillian voice for sure), but I selected the Jolson clip because it had images with it. Interestingly, the song actually was first sung in a New York revue called "Americana." It premiered in 1926 and played into 1927. Not sure who sang it then. But it's always been a song that's had a lot of meaning for me, for reasons that I don't fully understand. It's as if I'd lived through the Depression myself, like my parents did. Maybe a past life experience, who knows? Anyway, I think it's just such a wonderful song that tells so much about the Depression era, which people could relate to then and still can relate to now. Decades ago I was briefly friends with Karen Gorney, but only about five years ago learned that her father wrote this song. I was stunned, needless to say, given my deep connection to it. Would have loved to have discussed it with her, but we lost touch so long ago. Anyway, thanks for your insightful comments and for posting the Crosby version. I love his voice, whatever he sings, and he certainly does right by "Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?" Thanks, spiderwort . As always, your graciousness is warmly received. I suppose my preference made itself apparent, even if I was doing my best to avoid stating it. Comparing differing interpretations of given songs - phrasing, meter, tempo and other musical choices - is a favorite pastime. I'd guess that many would now find Crosby's own style of the day also hopelessly dated. The best info I can find about "Americana" is that there were also editions in 1928 and 1932, for the latter of which "Brother, Can You Spare A Dime" was included in a new song lineup, and performed by Rex Weber. The date makes sense; who'd be writing about "standing in line just waiting for bread" in roaring 1926? Warren and Dubin's "Remember My Forgotten Man" for Gold Diggers Of 1933 tills some of the same ground from a different point of view (with Joan Blondell's emotive "rhythmic speaking" of the lyrics a model for the form, and Etta Moten's plaintive vocal giving them flight). You've seen it many times, I'm sure, but it's always stirring to revisit, and this video file is an especially clean one (even standing up well enough to full-screen expansion). I know what you mean about songs that we connect with even when we can't suss exactly why.
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Post by biker1 on Sept 16, 2019 0:18:55 GMT
10 misc favorites.. wild river (1960) the cincinnati kid (1965) the prime of miss jean brodie (1969-uk) the day of the locust (1975) hard times (1975) the purple rose of cairo (1985) dreamchild (1985-uk) rambling rose (1991) miller's crossing (1990) dogville (2003)
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 16, 2019 4:31:47 GMT
The Journey of Natty Gann (1985)"In the 1930s, a tomboy runs away from her guardian to join her single father who is 2,000 miles away, where he has found work. "
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Post by spiderwort on Sept 16, 2019 20:58:08 GMT
The best info I can find about "Americana" is that there were also editions in 1928 and 1932, for the latter of which "Brother, Can You Spare A Dime" was included in a new song lineup, and performed by Rex Weber. The date makes sense; who'd be writing about "standing in line just waiting for bread" in roaring 1926? Warren and Dubin's "Remember My Forgotten Man" for Gold Diggers Of 1933 tills some of the same ground from a different point of view (with Joan Blondell's emotive "rhythmic speaking" of the lyrics a model for the form, and Etta Moten's plaintive vocal giving them flight). You've seen it many times, I'm sure, but it's always stirring to revisit, and this video file is an especially clean one (even standing up well enough to full-screen expansion). I know what you mean about songs that we connect with even when we can't suss exactly why. Yes, those dates for the song do make a lot more sense; can't explain the earlier dates, which are verifiable. Hmm. . .Thanks for the new info.
And as for "Remember the Forgotten Man," it's one of my all time favorites. What a powerful beauty that is. I've always admired Warner Brothers for being the studio in the forefront of acknowledging the Depression more seriously in films they made in the Depression. Even in musicals like THE GOLD DIGGERS!
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Post by Doghouse6 on Sept 16, 2019 22:18:46 GMT
Yes, those dates for the song do make a lot more sense; can't explain the earlier dates, which are verifiable. Hmm. . .Thanks for the new info.
Well, y'know how those things go: a source finds a record of "Brother, Can You Spare A Dime" being written for a B'way revue called "Americana," another stating that the revue opened in '26. Each is correct; they just don't happen to go together. I consulted IBDB, Secondhandsongs (which listed Weber's as the song's first public performance) and (as much as I hate relying on it) Wikipedia, which lists the song as appearing only in the revue's third production (which checks with IBDBs list of productions opening on 7/26/26, 10/30/28 and 10/5/32). Do you know Manhattan? If you're interested, the theaters were, respectively: the Belmont on W. 48th (razed in '51, across from what's now FOX News); the Mansfield (now the Brooks Atkinson) on W. 47th; the Schubert on W. 44th. Probably more information than you wanted, but "then and now" trivia also appeals to me.
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Post by spiderwort on Sept 16, 2019 22:23:15 GMT
Well, y'know how those things go: a source finds a record of "Brother, Can You Spare A Dime" being written for a B'way revue called "Americana," another stating that the revue opened in '26. Each is correct; they just don't happen to go together. I consulted IBDB, Secondhandsongs (which listed Weber's as the song's first public performance) and (as much as I hate relying on it) Wikipedia, which lists the song as appearing only in the revue's third production (which checks with IBDBs list of productions opening on 7/26/26, 10/30/28 and 10/5/32). Do you know Manhattan? If you're interested, the theaters were, respectively: the Belmont on W. 48th (razed in '51, across from what's now FOX News); the Mansfield (now the Brooks Atkinson) on W. 47th; the Schubert on W. 44th. Yeah, I know, it's a bit of a mess. I definitely like your version best. And yes, I lived in Manhattan for a year in the 70s, so thanks for that interesting bit of trivia. Oh, those were the days!
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 16, 2019 23:26:14 GMT
Thought that they'd never end !
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