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Post by Aj_June on Jun 28, 2018 17:03:38 GMT
Seto has made references to the books 2 or 3 times that I can recall. Some people are interested in books (I, merv, seto, cooljgs & nightman & may even be shinnickneth that I can recall on this board). I am interested also. Books are easy read. If you ever get free time then you can read them. It feels more complete than the show though some people might find them tiresome. |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 28, 2018 17:05:45 GMT
Books are easy read. If you ever get free time then you can read them. It feels more complete than the show though some people might find them tiresome. Almost always books are more thorough than TV shows or movies. I don't doubt that is the case with "The Game of Thrones". |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jun 29, 2018 23:00:15 GMT
Dumb luck ? No you have to be strategic when you are being held captive , I guess it looks cooler being all that pulling out knives killing people like her sister does but that is what gets you in more trouble ,Sansa was manipulating them keeping quiet you think she liked when they mocked her family at joffreys wedding? or when she found out her family was murdered? I think not and would be easy to lash out would have ended up with her being beheaded Sansa was victim of circumanstnces and trusted wrong people number one being little finger but everything she went through made her wiser and stronger and she learned a great deal from cersei  that's not a bad thing. Jonsa, you're arguing with someone who hasn't watched all the seasons yet. Best just to let the OP get caught up first.  Good idea shinnickneth you're right hope OP has a different opinion of Sansa after he watched all seasons sorry I didn't see this posting before I had replied |
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Post by movieliker on Jul 1, 2018 19:52:42 GMT
Movieliker, what mistakes are you referring to exactly?? If my memory serves me correctly through the first four and a half seasons she has almost zero control over everything that happens to her, the one exception is perhaps when she testifies to Littlefinger's defence in the Vale after Littlefinger kills Lysa. Which I wouldn't really call a mistake considering Littlefinger had already saved her twice at this point. She repeatedly keeps aligning herself with and trusting the wrong people. Joffrey, the Lanisters, Littlefinger, House of Bolton, whomever that guy is that the Bolton King castrated . . . |
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Post by Seto on Jul 2, 2018 8:27:24 GMT
Movieliker, she is never aligned with the Lannisters. They force her to write the letter to Robb and they force her to marry Tyrion. All the while she is being physically and mentally abused by them. She is then essentially kidnapped by Littlefinger, and then handed to the Boltons without any say in the matter. On top of all this she is only a teenage girl. What would you do if you were in her situation? Its fine if you dislike her character, but saying she is a bad character isn't fair at all.
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Jul 2, 2018 16:37:50 GMT
Weiss and Benioff fucked up the character from the books.
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Post by movieliker on Jul 2, 2018 16:42:33 GMT
Movieliker, she is never aligned with the Lannisters. They force her to write the letter to Robb and they force her to marry Tyrion. All the while she is being physically and mentally abused by them. She is then essentially kidnapped by Littlefinger, and then handed to the Boltons without any say in the matter. On top of all this she is only a teenage girl. What would you do if you were in her situation? Its fine if you dislike her character, but saying she is a bad character isn't fair at all. When she insistently chose to bequeath herself to Joffrey, any fool with half a brain would know that means aligning oneself with the Lanisters. She is not as shrewd as most other characters in "Game of Thrones". She has bad judgement. She is not smart enough to not trust anybody except for those who have proven themselves trustworthy. As a result, she keeps "aligning" herself with the wrong people. She so far has shown no ability to judge character. And she foolishly and repeatedly gets "hooked up" with the wrong people. If you want to say, "Yes, she is least sophisticated and shrewd of all characters on Game of Thrones. But with the exception of her little sister Arya, she should be excused because she is the youngest." That is fine. I am not denying that she is young. I am just making an observation. Over and over again she is the victim of her own bad judgement. |
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 2, 2018 21:20:38 GMT
Movieliker, she is never aligned with the Lannisters. They force her to write the letter to Robb and they force her to marry Tyrion. All the while she is being physically and mentally abused by them. She is then essentially kidnapped by Littlefinger, and then handed to the Boltons without any say in the matter. On top of all this she is only a teenage girl. What would you do if you were in her situation? Its fine if you dislike her character, but saying she is a bad character isn't fair at all. When she insistently chose to bequeath herself to Joffrey, any fool with half a brain would know that means aligning oneself with the Lanisters. She is not as shrewd as most other characters in "Game of Thrones". She has bad judgement. She is not smart enough to not trust anybody except for those who have proven themselves trustworthy. As a result, she keeps "aligning" herself with the wrong people. She so far has shown no ability to judge character. And she foolishly and repeatedly gets "hooked up" with the wrong people. If you want to say, "Yes, she is least sophisticated and shrewd of all characters on Game of Thrones. But with the exception of her little sister Arya, she should be excused because she is the youngest." That is fine. I am not denying that she is young. I am just making an observation. Over and over again she is the victim of her own bad judgement. She was just 13 year old girl when she bequeath herself to Joffrey. We were able to grasp that Joff or Lannisters are bad from the beginning. But to her Joff was son of the king who was once upon a time her father's very close friend. Later she didn't do anything of her will. Decisions were forced on her. While I am a fan of Arya, I find Sansa to be a more realistic character and probably many women in annals of history have suffered Sansa's fate.
You will understand her better if you read the book or watch the show till 7 seasons. There was a time when even I blamed Sansa. But I was mistaken and immature in doing that. She was just a little girl.
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Post by movieliker on Jul 2, 2018 22:06:12 GMT
When she insistently chose to bequeath herself to Joffrey, any fool with half a brain would know that means aligning oneself with the Lanisters. She is not as shrewd as most other characters in "Game of Thrones". She has bad judgement. She is not smart enough to not trust anybody except for those who have proven themselves trustworthy. As a result, she keeps "aligning" herself with the wrong people. She so far has shown no ability to judge character. And she foolishly and repeatedly gets "hooked up" with the wrong people. If you want to say, "Yes, she is least sophisticated and shrewd of all characters on Game of Thrones. But with the exception of her little sister Arya, she should be excused because she is the youngest." That is fine. I am not denying that she is young. I am just making an observation. Over and over again she is the victim of her own bad judgement. She was just 13 year old girl when she bequeath herself to Joffrey. We were able to grasp that Joff or Lannisters are bad from the beginning. But to her Joff was son of the king who was once upon a time her father's very close friend. Later she didn't do anything of her will. Decisions were forced on her. While I am a fan of Arya, I find Sansa to be a more realistic character and probably many women in annals of history have suffered Sansa's fate.
You will understand her better if you read the book or watch the show till 7 seasons. There was a time when even I blamed Sansa. But I was mistaken and immature in doing that. She was just a little girl.
If she was 13 in season 1, she was 18 in season 5. Most of the 18 year old's I know are more savvy than Sansa. I disagree. She is a clueless idiot. Yes, she is beautiful and sweet, and well intentioned. But she is a clueless idiot. |
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 3, 2018 3:56:10 GMT
She was just 13 year old girl when she bequeath herself to Joffrey. We were able to grasp that Joff or Lannisters are bad from the beginning. But to her Joff was son of the king who was once upon a time her father's very close friend. Later she didn't do anything of her will. Decisions were forced on her. While I am a fan of Arya, I find Sansa to be a more realistic character and probably many women in annals of history have suffered Sansa's fate.
You will understand her better if you read the book or watch the show till 7 seasons. There was a time when even I blamed Sansa. But I was mistaken and immature in doing that. She was just a little girl.
If she was 13 in season 1, she was 18 in season 5. Most of the 18 year old's I know are more savvy than Sansa. The timeline doesn't move like that. That is a different world. She isn't any idiot. In fact by season 7 you will understand she is a very mature person. Once again, many of her decisions were not her own. She wasn't making those decisions. |
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Post by movieliker on Jul 3, 2018 4:12:28 GMT
If she was 13 in season 1, she was 18 in season 5. Most of the 18 year old's I know are more savvy than Sansa. The timeline doesn't move like that. That is a different world. She isn't any idiot. In fact by season 7 you will understand she is a very mature person. Once again, many of her decisions were not her own. She wasn't making those decisions. Okay. I am on season 6. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jul 3, 2018 4:34:43 GMT
If she was 13 in season 1, she was 18 in season 5. Most of the 18 year old's I know are more savvy than Sansa. The timeline doesn't move like that. That is a different world. She isn't any idiot. In fact by season 7 you will understand she is a very mature person. Once again, many of her decisions were not her own. She wasn't making those decisions. How long will it take you to realise you are talking to a complete idiot? |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jul 4, 2018 17:02:35 GMT
LOLOLOL happy 4th July to Americans who posting
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jul 4, 2018 17:04:22 GMT
The timeline doesn't move like that. That is a different world. She isn't any idiot. In fact by season 7 you will understand she is a very mature person. Once again, many of her decisions were not her own. She wasn't making those decisions. Okay. I am on season 6. Well now that you're on season 6 you will understand what most of us are trying to tell you about Sansa |
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Post by Seto on Jul 4, 2018 23:50:25 GMT
Weiss and Benioff fucked up the character from the books. Fucked up her arc, yes. She should never have been given to the Boltons. Its one of the worst changes from book to show. |
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that's not a bad thing.
