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Post by anthonyrocks on Jun 29, 2018 3:02:39 GMT
There's actually several things about "THE LAST JEDI" that I think can be fixed pretty easily.
Luke Skywalker's Death - They could have it where Rey learns (from the Sacred Jedi Texts that she stole) of an Ancient Jedi Power that has the ability to temporarily bring any Jedi that has become one with the force back to life.
Rey's Parents - They could have it where the people that gave up Rey to Unkar Plutt were indeed nobodies but they weren't actually her parents and that her real parent or parents actually gave her up to them when she was still just a newborn baby (which would explain why she wouldn't remember them or why Kylo Ren didn't see them when he used the force to see her memories) in order to protect her and then show it all in a Flashback Scene during which would also reveal who Rey's real parent or parents actually are or were (I would have it where her father was really Luke Skywalker and he was never aware of her or the fact that the woman he had been with was pregnant with his child since she had left him well before she had even began showing signs of pregnancy and the whole entire time, he never knew).
Carrie Fisher Passing Away - Even though Carrie Fisher is gone now, They still don't actually need to kill off Leia. They could have it where during the entire story, she is away trying to get New Allies in what is left of the Republic to fight against The First Order.
Captain Phasma's Death - Since her body armor is capable of taking blaster hits from point blank range, They could easily have it where she survived falling into that pit of fire with the only problem being the left side of her face would be badly burned and her left eye would be gone (She would basically be the Female Version of Two-Face).
Supreme Leader Snoke's Origins - They could have it explain in a Flashback Scene who Supreme Leader Snoke is, Where he is from, and they could also even have him face off against Luke Skywalker in a Lightsaber Fight in which it shows just how Snoke became as disfigured as he did.
Lando Calrissian - They could have it where Lando is actually retired and living on the Outer Rim with the Resistances Allies and he returns to help convince the Allies to rejoin the fight against The First Order. ----------------------------- What does everybody else here think ?
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Post by jimanchower on Jul 8, 2018 16:20:05 GMT
There's actually several things about " THE LAST JEDI" that I think can be fixed pretty easily. Luke Skywalker's Death - They could have it where Rey learns (from the Sacred Jedi Texts that she stole) of an Ancient Jedi Power that has the ability to temporarily bring any Jedi that has become one with the force back to life. Rey's Parents - They could have it where the people that gave up Rey to Unkar Plutt were indeed nobodies but they weren't actually her parents and that her real parent or parents actually gave her up to them when she was still just a newborn baby (which would explain why she wouldn't remember them or why Kylo Ren didn't see them when he used the force to see her memories) in order to protect her and then show it all in a Flashback Scene during which would also reveal who Rey's real parent or parents actually are or were (I would have it where her father was really Luke Skywalker and he was never aware of her or the fact that the woman he had been with was pregnant with his child since she had left him well before she had even began showing signs of pregnancy and the whole entire time, he never knew). Carrie Fisher Passing Away - Even though Carrie Fisher is gone now, They still don't actually need to kill off Leia. They could have it where during the entire story, she is away trying to get New Allies in what is left of the Republic to fight against The First Order. Captain Phasma's Death - Since her body armor is capable of taking blaster hits from point blank range, They could easily have it where she survived falling into that pit of fire with the only problem being the left side of her face would be badly burned and her left eye would be gone (She would basically be the Female Version of Two-Face). Supreme Leader Snoke's Origins - They could have it explain in a Flashback Scene who Supreme Leader Snoke is, Where he is from, and they could also even have him face off against Luke Skywalker in a Lightsaber Fight in which it shows just how Snoke became as disfigured as he did. Lando Calrissian - They could have it where Lando is actually retired and living on the Outer Rim with the Resistances Allies and he returns to help convince the Allies to rejoin the fight against The First Order. ----------------------------- What does everybody else here think ? I just rewatched it on Netflix last night and it’s absolute garbage. The only way to fix it is to have Luke wake up and say “I had the worst nightmare”. Really, the whole movie is just a really dumb mess that shit all over Luke. How much screen time did Fin and Rose get? Does anyone care about Fin and Rose? The blast off and easily escape to some casino to look for a “master code breaker” that that old bug eyed lady doesn’t even know the name of. the Imperials just slowly follow the Rebels, then on the planet instead of just using ships they bring out some super giant laser cannon to blow the door open? Just so dumb. Leia flying through space? It reminded of a Mad Magazine parody. abrams set up the story then Johnson just totally trashed it and turned it into a diversity fest. Why was the purple haired chick even in the movie? What was the point? So she could act like a harrass then die? Who cares? We didn’t even know who the hell she was. Ackbar could have crashed the ship, Leia could have. Really, they’ve fucked up SW to the point where I honestly don’t know how they can fix it.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 8, 2018 16:29:07 GMT
Luke Skywalker's Death - They could have it where Rey learns (from the Sacred Jedi Texts that she stole) of an Ancient Jedi Power that has the ability to temporarily bring any Jedi that has become one with the force back to life. It wasn't so much his death but the way Rian Johnson portrayed him "in life" that bothers me. Even if they resurrected Luke Skywalker some way, it would still be Disney's Jake Skywalker and not Luke Skywalker from the original films.
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Post by jimanchower on Jul 8, 2018 16:34:24 GMT
Luke Skywalker's Death - They could have it where Rey learns (from the Sacred Jedi Texts that she stole) of an Ancient Jedi Power that has the ability to temporarily bring any Jedi that has become one with the force back to life. It wasn't so much his death but the way Rian Johnson portrayed him "in life" that bothers me. Even if they resurrected Luke Skywalker some way, it would still be Disney's Jake Skywalker and not Luke Skywalker from the original films. Exactly. I really don’t get what they were thinking when they did that to Luke. He’s nothing like Luke from the original. Luke wouldn’t refuse to help. He’ll he left a map do they could find him if they really needed him. Johnson was more worried about politics than crafting a good story. I honestly didn’t think it was possible to make a SW movie that was worse than TPM but they sure as hell found a way.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 8, 2018 16:53:12 GMT
Exactly. I really don’t get what they were thinking when they did that to Luke. He’s nothing like Luke from the original. Luke wouldn’t refuse to help. He’ll he left a map do they could find him if they really needed him. Johnson was more worried about politics than crafting a good story. I honestly didn’t think it was possible to make a SW movie that was worse than TPM but they sure as hell found a way. In all fairness, I think Kathleen Kennedy most likely pushed that on Episode 8. I think Johnson just lacks proper understanding of Lucas' 6 episodes. He also lacks logic (like that it doesn't make sense for Luke to be wearing white Jedi robes 30 years later if he had given up the Jedi way). The most obvious reason for Luke to be on the island could have been that he went there to hide and preserve the Jedi in hopes of training more Jedi. We've already seen this established in the prior movies with Obi-Wan and Yoda after Order 66. The Sith did the same thing prior to Episode 1. This reason compliments what was already established. The map could have been given to Luke's friends as a "last minute resort" in case they desperately needed him to reemerge for a Dark user conflict. He would also still be in contact with his sister via The Force. When I watched the Episode 8 trailer, I thought for sure Luke was testing Rey with the, "It's time for the Jedi...to end!" line like Yoda tested him in Episode 5... Nope. Luke really wanted the Jedi to end, he went to the island to die (making Han Solo's death to protect Luke completely worthless and making Luke an asshole), he abandoned his own twin sister/friends/The Resistance, and he failed miserably to accomplish anything. Rian Johnson doesn't know how to collaborate with other writers. He threw out everything Abrams and Kasdan established in Episode 7. If I was Abrams I would be thinking, "Damn. I wish I hadn't signed to 9! What the hell am I going to do now?!" Snoke dead, Han/Luke/Leia (essentially) dead, Ackbar dead, The First Order crumbling, Poe a cowardly traitorous fool, Finn a sassy 80's sitcom stereotype, etc. Kylo is a partially compelling character but he killed Han, his own father, so he isn't very likable at all. If you would have told me six years ago the standalone movies would be better than the episodic movies, I would have thought you were trolling me...boy was I wrong!
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Post by anthonyrocks on Jul 8, 2018 16:54:38 GMT
It wasn't so much his death but the way Rian Johnson portrayed him "in life" that bothers me. Even if they resurrected Luke Skywalker some way, it would still be Disney's Jake Skywalker and not Luke Skywalker from the original films. Exactly. I really don’t get what they were thinking when they did that to Luke. He’s nothing like Luke from the original. Luke wouldn’t refuse to help. He’ll he left a map do they could find him if they really needed him. Johnson was more worried about politics than crafting a good story. I honestly didn’t think it was possible to make a SW movie that was worse than TPM but they sure as hell found a way. I really think JJ Abrams understands and is going to try and fix as much as he can in " EPISODE IX".
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Post by jimanchower on Jul 8, 2018 16:58:42 GMT
Exactly. I really don’t get what they were thinking when they did that to Luke. He’s nothing like Luke from the original. Luke wouldn’t refuse to help. He’ll he left a map do they could find him if they really needed him. Johnson was more worried about politics than crafting a good story. I honestly didn’t think it was possible to make a SW movie that was worse than TPM but they sure as hell found a way. In all fairness, I think Kathleen Kennedy most likely pushed that on Episode 8. I think Johnson just lacks proper understanding of Lucas' 6 episodes. He also lacks logic (like that it doesn't make sense for Luke to be wearing white Jedi robes 30 years later if he had given up the Jedi way). The most obvious reason for Luke to be on the island could have been that he went there to hide and preserve the Jedi in hopes of training more Jedi. We've already seen this established in the prior movies with Obi-Wan and Yoda after Order 66. The Sith did the same thing prior to Episode 1. This reason compliments what was already established. The map could have been given to Luke's friends as a "last minute resort" in case they desperately needed him to reemerge for a Dark user conflict. He would also still be in contact with his sister via The Force. When I watched the Episode 8 trailer, I thought for sure Luke was testing Rey with the, "It's time for the Jedi...to end!" line like Yoda tested him in Episode 5... Nope. Luke really wanted the Jedi to end, he went to the island to die (making Han Solo's death to protect Luke completely worthless and making Luke an asshole), he abandoned his own twin sister/friends/The Resistance, and he failed miserably to accomplish anything. Rian Johnson doesn't know how to collaborate with other writers. He threw out everything Abrams and Kasdan established in Episode 7. If I was Abrams I would be thinking, "Damn. I wish I hadn't signed to 9! What the hell am I going to do now?!" Snoke dead, Han/Luke/Leia (essentially) dead, Ackbar dead, The First Order crumbling, Poe a cowardly traitorous fool, Finn a sassy 80's sitcom stereotype, etc. Kylo is a partially compelling character but he killed Han, his own father, so he isn't very likable at all. If you would have told me six years ago the standalone movies would be better than the episodic movies, I would have thought you were trolling me...boy was I wrong! I didn’t really like Rogue One, it was OK but too depressing for SW IMO. None of the characters were the least bit likeable. I havent seen Solo. TFA is the last SW movie I’ll pay to see in the theater. I’ll cat h them on Netflix or Redbox. It’s not my SW anymore.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Jul 8, 2018 17:02:58 GMT
Exactly. I really don’t get what they were thinking when they did that to Luke. He’s nothing like Luke from the original. Luke wouldn’t refuse to help. He’ll he left a map do they could find him if they really needed him. Johnson was more worried about politics than crafting a good story. I honestly didn’t think it was possible to make a SW movie that was worse than TPM but they sure as hell found a way. In all fairness, I think Kathleen Kennedy most likely pushed that on Episode 8. I think Johnson just lacks proper understanding of Lucas' 6 episodes. He also lacks logic (like that it doesn't make sense for Luke to be wearing white Jedi robes 30 years later if he had given up the Jedi way). The most obvious reason for Luke to be on the island could have been that he went there to hide and preserve the Jedi in hopes of training more Jedi. We've already seen this established in the prior movies with Obi-Wan and Yoda after Order 66. The Sith did the same thing prior to Episode 1. This reason compliments what was already established. The map could have been given to Luke's friends as a "last minute resort" in case they desperately needed him to reemerge for a Dark user conflict. He would also still be in contact with his sister via The Force. When I watched the Episode 8 trailer, I thought for sure Luke was testing Rey with the, "It's time for the Jedi...to end!" line like Yoda tested him in Episode 5... Nope. Luke really wanted the Jedi to end, he went to the island to die (making Han Solo's death to protect Luke completely worthless and making Luke an asshole), he abandoned his own twin sister/friends/The Resistance, and he failed miserably to accomplish anything. Rian Johnson doesn't know how to collaborate with other writers. He threw out everything Abrams and Kasdan established in Episode 7. If I was Abrams I would be thinking, "Damn. I wish I hadn't signed to 9! What the hell am I going to do now?!" Snoke dead, Han/Luke/Leia (essentially) dead, Ackbar dead, The First Order crumbling, Poe a cowardly traitorous fool, Finn a sassy 80's sitcom stereotype, etc. Kylo is a partially compelling character but he killed Han, his own father, so he isn't very likable at all. If you would have told me six years ago the standalone movies would be better than the episodic movies, I would have thought you were trolling me...boy was I wrong! You want to know something Pretty RAGE Inducing ? It might interest you to know that JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan did actually establish a Full " STAR WARS" Direction (A Beginning, A Middle, and an End) for this New Trilogy which both Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow actually agreed to follow through with when they did their " STAR WARS EPISODES" but then after JJ Abrams made " THE FORCE AWAKENS" and things were handed over to Rian Johnson, Johnson decided to do his own thing (which I guess Kathleen Kennedy liked) and so he wrote and made " THE LAST JEDI" and after that, I know that Colin Trevorrow protested over them killing off Luke Skywalker and asked Kennedy & Johnson to either not do it or allow him to bring him back to which they said No and then Trevorrow continued to protest and so he was removed as Director of " EPISODE IX" and the job was then given to JJ Abrams.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Jul 8, 2018 17:05:31 GMT
You know I will admit though, I am excited to see Billy Dee Williams return as Lando Calrissian again in " EPISODE IX". A lot of Rumors are going around saying that he is indeed returning.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 8, 2018 17:06:49 GMT
I didn’t really like Rogue One, it was OK but too depressing for SW IMO. None of the characters were the least bit likeable. I havent seen Solo. TFA is the last SW movie I’ll pay to see in the theater. I’ll cat h them on Netflix or Redbox. It’s not my SW anymore. When I stated they were "better", I didn't mean they were great. Rogue One was just better than Episode 7 or 8. I haven't seen Solo either. I refuse to spend money on that movie after Episode 8. I won't give my money to a corporation that tells me I'm a racist and misogynist for disliking what they did to my favorite Star Wars character, Luke Skywalker.
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Post by jimanchower on Jul 8, 2018 17:08:28 GMT
In all fairness, I think Kathleen Kennedy most likely pushed that on Episode 8. I think Johnson just lacks proper understanding of Lucas' 6 episodes. He also lacks logic (like that it doesn't make sense for Luke to be wearing white Jedi robes 30 years later if he had given up the Jedi way). The most obvious reason for Luke to be on the island could have been that he went there to hide and preserve the Jedi in hopes of training more Jedi. We've already seen this established in the prior movies with Obi-Wan and Yoda after Order 66. The Sith did the same thing prior to Episode 1. This reason compliments what was already established. The map could have been given to Luke's friends as a "last minute resort" in case they desperately needed him to reemerge for a Dark user conflict. He would also still be in contact with his sister via The Force. When I watched the Episode 8 trailer, I thought for sure Luke was testing Rey with the, "It's time for the Jedi...to end!" line like Yoda tested him in Episode 5... Nope. Luke really wanted the Jedi to end, he went to the island to die (making Han Solo's death to protect Luke completely worthless and making Luke an asshole), he abandoned his own twin sister/friends/The Resistance, and he failed miserably to accomplish anything. Rian Johnson doesn't know how to collaborate with other writers. He threw out everything Abrams and Kasdan established in Episode 7. If I was Abrams I would be thinking, "Damn. I wish I hadn't signed to 9! What the hell am I going to do now?!" Snoke dead, Han/Luke/Leia (essentially) dead, Ackbar dead, The First Order crumbling, Poe a cowardly traitorous fool, Finn a sassy 80's sitcom stereotype, etc. Kylo is a partially compelling character but he killed Han, his own father, so he isn't very likable at all. If you would have told me six years ago the standalone movies would be better than the episodic movies, I would have thought you were trolling me...boy was I wrong! You want to know something Pretty RAGE Inducing ? It might interest you to know that JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan did actually establish a Full " STAR WARS" Direction (A Beginning, A Middle, and an End) for this New Trilogy which both Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow actually agreed to follow through with when they did their " STAR WARS EPISODES" but then after JJ Abrams made " THE FORCE AWAKENS" and things were handed over to Rian Johnson, Johnson decided to do his own thing (which I guess Kathleen Kennedy liked) and so he wrote and made " THE LAST JEDI" and after that, I know that Colin Trevorrow protested over them killing off Luke Skywalker and asked Kennedy & Johnson to either not do it or allow him to bring him back to which they said No and then Trevorrow continued to protest and so he was removed as Director of " EPISODE IX" and the job was then given to JJ Abrams. Yeah I don’t get why Johnson had so much juice. All I know about him besides SW is he made Looper, which I thought sucked, well maybe not sucked, it had a few good things in it but overall it wasn’t very good IMO. Not sure how he got SW.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 8, 2018 17:09:19 GMT
You know I will admit though, I am excited to see Billy Dee Williams return as Lando Calrissian again in " EPISODE IX". A lot of Rumors are going around saying that he is indeed returning. It won't be an accurate portrayal. It will be Disney's Lando, which will entail them making him a fool and loser before killing him off.
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Post by jimanchower on Jul 8, 2018 17:10:29 GMT
I didn’t really like Rogue One, it was OK but too depressing for SW IMO. None of the characters were the least bit likeable. I havent seen Solo. TFA is the last SW movie I’ll pay to see in the theater. I’ll cat h them on Netflix or Redbox. It’s not my SW anymore. When I stated they were "better", I didn't mean they were great. Rogue One was just better than Episode 7 or 8. I haven't seen Solo either. I refuse to spend money on that movie after Episode 8. I won't give my money to a corporation that tells me I'm a racist and misogynist for disliking what they did to my favorite Star Wars character, Luke Skywalker. Han was always my favorite but I was really looking forward to seeing Luke again after all those years....and they crapped all over him and then killed him in such a dumb way. instead of Luke we got ....Fin and Rose and purple haired space ladies.
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Post by jimanchower on Jul 8, 2018 17:12:51 GMT
You know I will admit though, I am excited to see Billy Dee Williams return as Lando Calrissian again in " EPISODE IX". A lot of Rumors are going around saying that he is indeed returning. It won't be an accurate portrayal. It will be Disney's Lando, which will entail them making him a fool and loser before killing him off. Don’t forget, he’s not a smoove talkin ladies man any more either....he’s “pansexual”.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Jul 8, 2018 17:13:39 GMT
You know I will admit though, I am excited to see Billy Dee Williams return as Lando Calrissian again in " EPISODE IX". A lot of Rumors are going around saying that he is indeed returning. It won't be an accurate portrayal. It will be Disney's Lando, which will entail them making him a fool and loser before killing him off. I Disagree, I actually did see " SOLO" and I thought that they did a very good job with the 'Lando' character. By the way, You should actually see " SOLO". I won't completely spoil it but near the end, there is an AWESOME Cameo from a Famous " STAR WARS" Villain (It's Not Darth Vader or The Emperor).
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 8, 2018 17:22:51 GMT
Han was always my favorite but I was really looking forward to seeing Luke again after all those years....and they crapped all over him and then killed him in such a dumb way. instead of Luke we got ....Fin and Rose and purple haired space ladies. A lot of fans liked Han more because he was funny, while Luke really wasn't ever really funny. Psychologists have said that people relate better to characters that demonstrate humor. Even a character like Tony Soprano from The Sopranos was liked because he could be funny at times, which made him "better received" among viewers. He could bash in people's heads, torture others, and commit adultery over-and-over but he was funny so viewers connected with him. It's pretty interesting actually. Anyway...while Luke wasn't funny, I always liked him more because he was a little deeper (just my opinion) than Han. I appreciated how Luke always did the right thing, how loyal/brave he was, and he just had a viewpoint that was altogether optimistic (compared to Han who was very bitter/resentful/battle-worn). He indeed was "A New Hope"...but Rian Johnson/Kathleen Kennedy/Disney gutted that all from him with Episode 8. Just to be clear: I do love Han Solo as a character too. I just liked Luke more.
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Post by jimanchower on Jul 8, 2018 17:36:19 GMT
Han was always my favorite but I was really looking forward to seeing Luke again after all those years....and they crapped all over him and then killed him in such a dumb way. instead of Luke we got ....Fin and Rose and purple haired space ladies. A lot of fans liked Han more because he was funny, while Luke really wasn't ever really funny. Psychologists have said that people relate better to characters that demonstrate humor. Even a character like Tony Soprano from The Sopranos was liked because he could be funny at times, which made him "better received" among viewers. He could bash in people's heads, torture others, and commit adultery over-and-over but he was funny so viewers connected with him. It's pretty interesting actually. Anyway...while Luke wasn't funny, I always liked him more because he was a little deeper (just my opinion) than Han. I appreciated how Luke always did the right thing, how loyal/brave he was, and he just had a viewpoint that was altogether optimistic (compared to Han who was very bitter/resentful/battle-worn). He indeed was "A New Hope"...but Rian Johnson/Kathleen Kennedy/Disney gutted that all from him with Episode 8. Just to be clear: I do love Han Solo as a character too. I just liked Luke more. It’s not just that Han was funny, C3PO, Yoda, Chewy all were funny. Han was just a badass. In the original version he’s a cutthroat pirate, he has a cool ship, he banged Leia. just a great character. But that’s what made the OT great, so many great characters. The new movies just don’t have that. They’ve got the look down but not the emotion.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 8, 2018 17:48:09 GMT
I really think JJ Abrams understands and is going to try and fix as much as he can in " EPISODE IX". There's so much wrong with Episode 8 outside of Luke that they could spend the whole movie (Episode 9) trying to fix stuff and it would just bog down the final act's story. The other three things that really bother me about Episode 8 are: - Force Ghost Yoda using lightning. First off, only Dark force users use lightning in the prior 7 movies. Yoda only deflects the lightning The Emperor tried to hit him with in Episode 3. Lightning is too aggressive for Jedi to use, who only use lethal force to protect themselves and others. Secondly, this (Force Ghost using lightning) goes against the original trilogy's canon where Obi-Wan clearly states Force Ghosts can't interfere with the living. It's the reason Obi-Wan is unable to help Luke when he goes to confront Vader in Episode 5. In Episode 8, Rian Johnson decided to ignore these established facts. - The Resistance is in trouble and Lando didn't come to the aid of his good friend, Han Solo? Now that Han's dead, Luke's dead, Leia's dead, why on earth would Lando come out to help them now?! There's no one in the mix that Lando would connect with other than maybe Chewbacca. Also, no funeral for Han? As I've stated before, even Vader got a funeral. - The Knights of Ren have only been shown in one scene of the trilogy so far. If they do finally come back for Episode 9, there will be no build up. Most likely, the typical audience member won't even remember them. I suppose they will be the final "big bads" of the trilogy with Rey having to finish them off along with Hux.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 8, 2018 17:50:20 GMT
Lol no kidding. The purple hair is so dumb. They went full Hunger Games, didn't they?
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 8, 2018 17:57:10 GMT
I Disagree, I actually did see "SOLO" and I thought that they did a very good job with the 'Lando' character. By the way, You should actually see "SOLO". I won't completely spoil it but near the end, there is an AWESOME Cameo from a Famous "STAR WARS" Villain (It's Not Darth Vader or The Emperor).I already know about it having seen it stated on here. The reveal makes no sense since the character was cut in half. He died. Bringing him back (as I've stated in a different thread) just makes death insignificant. It's sloppy writing. I know they brought him back in some cartoon but it doesn't make it any better.
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