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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jul 7, 2018 13:08:45 GMT
She caused the death of an innocent Direwolf - unforgiveable. Stupid things are illegal in the South. The Starks were smugglers abusing their political situation. Bloody typical Besides, removing them was only fair compensation for kicking me out of the show.
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Post by movieliker on Jul 7, 2018 14:41:10 GMT
quote author=" Leo of Red Keep" source="/post/1841683/thread" timestamp="1530968925"] She caused the death of an innocent Direwolf - unforgiveable. Stupid things are illegal in the South. The Starks were smugglers abusing their political situation. Bloody typical Besides, removing them was only fair compensation for kicking me out of the show.
Cerse is one of the worst characters on the whole show. If you find her attractive, that's fine. She isn't ugly. She is a great actress giving a great performance. Her character is interesting and essential to the show. But the lack of morality, honor and ethics makes her despicable. Unlike you, I think Daneryus is beautiful. Especially from the neck up. Her body is not so great. But at least we get to see her naked. (Although I thought we saw Cerse naked during her walk of shame. Come to find out, that was a body double. Maybe Daneryus had a body double too.) I agree with you, the Starks are a bunch of losers. I only just finished season 6. But with the exception of maybe Arya, they are all a bunch of losers.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jul 7, 2018 15:04:19 GMT
Still no chance, by the way…
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Post by Marv on Jul 13, 2018 8:54:57 GMT
I don’t find Cersei particularly evil.
Narcissistic and power hungry, sure. Able to do evil acts, sure. Unlikeable, sure. But I don’t see pure evil there. Never have. I’ts even arguable most of her ‘worst’ acts were justifiable.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jul 13, 2018 9:40:04 GMT
I don’t find Cersei particularly evil. Narcissistic and power hungry, sure. Able to do evil acts, sure. Unlikeable, sure. But I don’t see pure evil there. Never have. I’ts even arguable most of her ‘worst’ acts were justifiable. Narcissism does not apply. See here for full details but narcissism is mostly defined by excessive satisfaction with one's appearance and a need to see it shared. "Mirror, mirror, tell me who is the fairest in the land?" There's narcissism. None of this characterises Cersei. She is not really power hungry either. Status is her concern, she wanted to be queen but she never tried to exert power for its own sake. She wasn't plotting to influence Robert, made no attempt to grab power when Tyrion or Tywin were Hand. She was perfectly happy with others taking care of things and her whole attitude is summed up in her conversation with Tyrion in S2E02: "Jaime hasn't been taking it seriously, you haven't been taking it seriously, it's all fallen on me". She doesn't want power but she feels she has to take care of things because others don't, and she's right. Jaime told her so in their very first scene together and Tyrion's reputation is that of a drinking gambler. That makes her a much better person than Renly who starts a war out of pure personal ambition. What remains next to this is rejection of the gender-based limitations she feels subjected to. She resents her father treating her as "a broodmare" and wishes her abilities would be given the same recognition as a man's: "did it ever occur to you that I might be the one who deserves your confidence and your trust?" (to Tywin in S3E04). Yet she refrains from naming herself "Hand of the King" in S5, telling Kevan "clearly it would not be appropriate for a woman to assume that role" in S5E02. She is able to do what needs to be done, just like many others do in the show but while any dumbfuck seems to accept the fact that "good" Robert would have killed her and her children had he found out, they deny her the right to self-defence. Now we do not know what Robert would have done but what Ned thought of it was clearly an evil act. He was fine with it and told her to flee before he unleashed the beast. Ned Stark was an arsehole. Unlikeable? Yes, definitely. And I think this is the real reason people… dislike her. Idiots worldwide are taught to vote for people who smile at them, who tell them sweet little lies and play the saxophone before an election (I lost all respect for the US people when I saw Bill Clinton do this, but I'll admit people elsewhere are no better). Cersei is abrupt, dismissive, haughty but she also finds kind words for Sansa in Winterfell and appreciates Qyburn for his competence while despising Pycelle for his being a submissive carpet without visible abilities. Cersei is not the inclusive type. It makes her the villain in a world where people no longer know that "tolerance" is not a value but a compromise.
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Post by movieliker on Jul 13, 2018 18:54:59 GMT
Still no chance, by the way… Daneryus is better looking than Cerse. From the neck up --- and down.
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Post by movieliker on Jul 13, 2018 19:02:58 GMT
I don’t find Cersei particularly evil. Narcissistic and power hungry, sure. Able to do evil acts, sure. Unlikeable, sure. But I don’t see pure evil there. Never have. I’ts even arguable most of her ‘worst’ acts were justifiable. Narcissism does not apply. See here for full details but narcissism is mostly defined by excessive satisfaction with one's appearance and a need to see it shared. "Mirror, mirror, tell me who is the fairest in the land?" There's narcissism. None of this characterises Cersei. She is not really power hungry either. Status is her concern, she wanted to be queen but she never tried to exert power for its own sake. She wasn't plotting to influence Robert, made no attempt to grab power when Tyrion or Tywin were Hand. She was perfectly happy with others taking care of things and her whole attitude is summed up in her conversation with Tyrion in S2E02: "Jaime hasn't been taking it seriously, you haven't been taking it seriously, it's all fallen on me". She doesn't want power but she feels she has to take care of things because others don't, and she's right. Jaime told her so in their very first scene together and Tyrion's reputation is that of a drinking gambler. That makes her a much better person than Renly who starts a war out of pure personal ambition. What remains next to this is rejection of the gender-based limitations she feels subjected to. She resents her father treating her as "a broodmare" and wishes her abilities would be given the same recognition as a man's: "did it ever occur to you that I might be the one who deserves your confidence and your trust?" (to Tywin in S3E04). Yet she refrains from naming herself "Hand of the King" in S5, telling Kevan "clearly it would not be appropriate for a woman to assume that role" in S5E02. She is able to do what needs to be done, just like many others do in the show but while any dumbfuck seems to accept the fact that "good" Robert would have killed her and her children had he found out, they deny her the right to self-defence. Now we do not know what Robert would have done but what Ned thought of it was clearly an evil act. He was fine with it and told her to flee before he unleashed the beast. Ned Stark was an arsehole. Unlikeable? Yes, definitely. And I think this is the real reason people… dislike her. Idiots worldwide are taught to vote for people who smile at them, who tell them sweet little lies and play the saxophone before an election (I lost all respect for the US people when I saw Bill Clinton do this, but I'll admit people elsewhere are no better). Cersei is abrupt, dismissive, haughty but she also finds kind words for Sansa in Winterfell and appreciates Qyburn for his competence while despising Pycelle for his being a submissive carpet without visible abilities. Cersei is not the inclusive type. It makes her the villain in a world where people no longer know that "tolerance" is not a value but a compromise. You sound like somebody who admires Hitler because he kept the trains running on time. Cerse is a bad person. Everything she does is for her own benefit. Including lying, cheating, stealing and killing. She stood by proudly as Joffrey spread murder and mayhem throughout the kingdom. She didn't care about any of his victims. All she ever cared about was herself. And she feels every evil act is justified as long as it benefits her. She doesn't care about Kings Landing. Or any if its citizens. Everything is there for her benefit. All other people are pawns in the Game of Thrones that she feels should be manipulated for her benefit. She is the definition of a psychopath - "no empathy or sympathy for others. Everything and anything is justified as long as it benefits the perpetrator."
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