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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 14:02:12 GMT
It is interesting you mention that hardball 'cause I knew Fox had the rights for 'Gotham' and the Adam West show but I didn't know they owned the rights for 'Smallville' 'cause 'Smallville' aired on the CW Network in America and I thought for sure the CW Network would be the ones who would own the rights for that show but then I heard Fox owns the rights for 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' or at least part of them 'cause Joss appears to still have ownership over the other characters which is why when they were talking about making a 'Buffy' remake a few years ago they said they couldn't use any of the other characters like Willow, Giles, Xander, Angel, Spike, Cordelia, Anya, Dawn, Riley, Dru etc. With talk of the 'Smallville' animated show or movie Fox must be willing to work with them to even talk about it but if Disney take over they might stop it. It is interesting to note Disney were one of the main reasons 'Lois and Clark' got cancelled and that was long before they owned Marvel. I had no idea Disney had a hand in cancelling Lois and Clark, do you know the reason why? Regarding the rights, I can't see those DC shows remaining with Fox since it's going to merge with Disney. And I think it's for the best if those classic DC shows end up with DC. Speaking of Buffy I was wondering whatever happened to the planned reboot. The last I heard is that Fox is laving up to Joss Whedon on whether to greenlight or not. Yeah. I didn't either until recently. When Disney took over ABC one of the main people working at the company played a big hand in cancelling 'Lois and Clark' after they were lead to believe they were going to be renewed for another season under the previous management and I think the reason was he didn't like the show and saw no future for it after the ratings started to drop which was dumb in my opinion 'cause 'Lois and Clark' was getting huge ratings in the first three seasons and even the ratings they were getting in the final season would be enough to keep most shows going now. I saw your thread about 'Buffy' and sorry I haven't gotten around to replying to that yet but with Joss on board it looks like they will be able to do what they want with it. I am surprised 'cause so many people before (himself included) were against doing this before.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 14:06:41 GMT
I heard that too. I think it is going to be the set up for a whole new universe and if 'Titans', 'Swamp Thing' and 'Doom Patrol' are successful they will make more shows set in that same universe like the CW Network is doing with the 'Arrowverse' and only that the CW Network has beat them to it I would have said 'Batwoman' is better suited to this universe 'cause of her connection to Dick in the Bat Family and if they weren't making a 'Birds of Prey' movie I would say a new 'Birds of Prey' TV show would be a perfect pick for their new universe 'cause it would give them a female lead show. I still wouldn't mind having a proper 'Birds of Prey' TV show 'cause it would give us a chance to see all the other members the movie will most likely not use. Do you think this is a good idea, having three separate DC universes? I am all for seeing more characters appear, but what if there are restrictions on who can appear when on which network? And what are the chances we'd see three versions of one character in three different universes? To be honest, I don't see it as being a problem. I mean we already have 4 or 5 separate universes going now with the DC Rebirth, DCEU, DC TV shows, DC Animated Movies and Arkham Universe which is still continuing in comic book form and what is another three universes? I agree with what cjdull76 wrote about people but I like that they are taking the kitchen sink approach in a way 'cause they spent too many years only focusing on Batman and Superman and giving other superheroes a chance will see which ones work and which ones don't. We might actually get to see a lot of characters fans have been waiting ages to see on screen. I say adapt all of them but make sure they get good writers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 14:08:17 GMT
It is interesting you mention that hardball 'cause I knew Fox had the rights for 'Gotham' and the Adam West show but I didn't know they owned the rights for 'Smallville' 'cause 'Smallville' aired on the CW Network in America and I thought for sure the CW Network would be the ones who would own the rights for that show but then I heard Fox owns the rights for 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' or at least part of them 'cause Joss appears to still have ownership over the other characters which is why when they were talking about making a 'Buffy' remake a few years ago they said they couldn't use any of the other characters like Willow, Giles, Xander, Angel, Spike, Cordelia, Anya, Dawn, Riley, Dru etc. With talk of the 'Smallville' animated show or movie Fox must be willing to work with them to even talk about it but if Disney take over they might stop it. It is interesting to note Disney were one of the main reasons 'Lois and Clark' got cancelled and that was long before they owned Marvel. From what I understand some of this isn't actually true, Gotham isn't owned in anyway by FOX, same for Lucifer which is why both these shows were on shaky grounds every year because despite ratings WB/DC owns these show so when it comes to international markets and syndication FOX doesn't get a penny for that, all they get is ad revenue that they can sell during the shows commercials, this is why they ultimately canned Lucifer, they didn't want to waste 2 of their limited spots on "outside" productions so they picked one over the other.
BTVS & Batman 66's ownership probably comes down to FOX being production partners in the series, so whilst FOX never aired Buffy they helped make it which gives them a % of ownership in the property, Batman 66 maybe more extreme as FOX aired and produced the show, and as back then DC wasn't owned by a studio or network they may have given up rights to the show, but they seem to retain ownership of the IP from the show as their retro comic and even animated film adaptations to the show indicate.
Smallville I don't think is owned by FOX at all most likely it's just Hulu has the current online broadcast rights which will expire in time, much like how studios sell the broadcast rights of films to networks for a certain amount of years, FOX had no hand in creating or producing the show so they would likely have no grounds to claim ownership of it.
This is the thing though with entertainment the how's and why can be so bloody confusing so this is just my best guess on the current rights of things.
I will get back to this when I am on next time Dazz. I don't want you to think I forgot you but it is getting late here and I don't have time to write a long reply like I want to and don't want to rush it.
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Post by dazz on Jul 21, 2018 14:13:44 GMT
Uhoh that makes me think im about to get schooled, oh well atleast learnings fun with you Deb.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 21, 2018 17:29:25 GMT
Hopefully you didn't go to a parochial school run by nuns. Because that can get scary!
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Post by hardball on Jul 24, 2018 0:36:06 GMT
Do you think this is a good idea, having three separate DC universes? I am all for seeing more characters appear, but what if there are restrictions on who can appear when on which network? And what are the chances we'd see three versions of one character in three different universes? To be honest, I don't see it as being a problem. I mean we already have 4 or 5 separate universes going now with the DC Rebirth, DCEU, DC TV shows, DC Animated Movies and Arkham Universe which is still continuing in comic book form and what is another three universes? I agree with what cjdull76 wrote about people but I like that they are taking the kitchen sink approach in a way 'cause they spent too many years only focusing on Batman and Superman and giving other superheroes a chance will see which ones work and which ones don't. We might actually get to see a lot of characters fans have been waiting ages to see on screen. I say adapt all of them but make sure they get good writers. I agree that we can look at these as other universes. However, the animated films, comics and video games are very distinct from each other. The DCEU, Arrowverse and the DC streaming service use similar formats and cater to a larger audience. If DC uses these platforms to introduce different characters then that's great. My worry is that they'll play it safe and go with Batman again if the initial viewer response isn't good. The fact that Batman was name dropped in the Titans trailer is a case in point. This is supposed to be about Dick Grayson and his team, but I guess the showrunners felt they had to mention Bats in the trailer, when it could have been done in the show. There's just no escaping his shadow it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 13:53:04 GMT
Uhoh that makes me think im about to get schooled, oh well atleast learnings fun with you Deb. No. It is nothing like that. What I was actually going to say is I completely agree with you about it being confusing and it is even more confusing for us here in Australia than it is for people over in America ‘cause we got a lot of the shows on different networks like we had ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’ and ‘Angel’ on Channel 7, ‘Smallville’ and ‘Supernatural’ on Channel 10 (and now Eleven), ‘Arrow’ and ‘Gotham’ on Channel 9 (which moved to Fox 8 on Foxtel) and The Flash, Supergirl, DC’s Legends of Tomorrow, Marvel’s the Runaways’ and ‘The Gifted’ on Fox 8. I was under the impression that when ‘Arrow’ started here we would have got it on Channel 10 ‘cause that was what channel ‘Smallville’ was on but Channel 9 got it and they had the rights to all the other DC shows and sold them to Foxtel – that was after months of stuffing us around with the shows though and when America was airing Season 3 of ‘Gotham’ we had got Season 2 on DVD and Season 2 didn't air on Channel 9's 'Go' until later and we didn't watch it 'cause we had it on DVD by then. What is it like for you in the UK? Do you get all the DC and Marvel shows on the same channel or is it spread out over there?
I thought 'Lucifer' was on the CW Network in America 'cause we get that on Fox8 now and they advertised it with other shows that were on the CW Network in America but apparently not since Fox cancelled it and what surprised me at the moment with 'Lucifer' is why it was picked up by Netflix and not the DC Online Streaming Service 'cause it is a DC show and it would be another addition that might get more people to buy the streaming service. If Fox doesn't own 'Gotham' I think they should have moved it to the DC Online Streaming Service too so it could have gone longer but with them announcing it is the final season and the writers having plans set up it is unlikely that will happen.
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Post by dazz on Jul 25, 2018 0:24:47 GMT
Uhoh that makes me think im about to get schooled, oh well atleast learnings fun with you Deb. No. It is nothing like that. What I was actually going to say is I completely agree with you about it being confusing and it is even more confusing for us here in Australia than it is for people over in America ‘cause we got a lot of the shows on different networks like we had ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’ and ‘Angel’ on Channel 7, ‘Smallville’ and ‘Supernatural’ on Channel 10 (and now Eleven), ‘Arrow’ and ‘Gotham’ on Channel 9 (which moved to Fox 8 on Foxtel) and The Flash, Supergirl, DC’s Legends of Tomorrow, Marvel’s the Runaways’ and ‘The Gifted’ on Fox 8. I was under the impression that when ‘Arrow’ started here we would have got it on Channel 10 ‘cause that was what channel ‘Smallville’ was on but Channel 9 got it and they had the rights to all the other DC shows and sold them to Foxtel – that was after months of stuffing us around with the shows though and when America was airing Season 3 of ‘Gotham’ we had got Season 2 on DVD and Season 2 didn't air on Channel 9's 'Go' until later and we didn't watch it 'cause we had it on DVD by then. What is it like for you in the UK? Do you get all the DC and Marvel shows on the same channel or is it spread out over there?
I thought 'Lucifer' was on the CW Network in America 'cause we get that on Fox8 now and they advertised it with other shows that were on the CW Network in America but apparently not since Fox cancelled it and what surprised me at the moment with 'Lucifer' is why it was picked up by Netflix and not the DC Online Streaming Service 'cause it is a DC show and it would be another addition that might get more people to buy the streaming service. If Fox doesn't own 'Gotham' I think they should have moved it to the DC Online Streaming Service too so it could have gone longer but with them announcing it is the final season and the writers having plans set up it is unlikely that will happen. I think with Lucifer it's a case of the shows going into it's 4th season so presumably the cost maybe going up if actors have a built in raise per season clause in their contract, and it was a big network show not a CW show so your probably looking at low 6 figures easy per ep for the leads, as opposed to CW shows where it could be between $30-70k for the leads or as low as $100k for the entire cast per ep, so easier to get Netflix to foot the bill as that way DC make money off the show regardless.
Gotham I don't think they had a choice of pulling S5 off of Fox I would assume that's up to Fox unless their deal is only for X amount of years then the network decide how many seasons they are going to pick up, but if Gotham got canned DC probably could have shipped it around, but again a show going into it's 5th season maybe pricey for a start up streaming service.
oh and I know how you feel we get it the same over here with networks shows being on all different channels rare occasion that doesn't happen is when it's a show on a channel that both us and America has like Sy Fy or some shit, but even then that's not a certainty, makes it even more confusing when shows hit syndication numbers at which point 1 channel can have the rights to the new seasons but another has the rights to the syndicated package, had it happen in the past when remember when you had to actually record shit on VHS if you wanted to watch it later, my sister recording the syndicated Simpsons episodes on channel 4 when she was meant to tape the new episodes airing on Sky, what a kafuffle.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 11:50:13 GMT
No. It is nothing like that. What I was actually going to say is I completely agree with you about it being confusing and it is even more confusing for us here in Australia than it is for people over in America ‘cause we got a lot of the shows on different networks like we had ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’ and ‘Angel’ on Channel 7, ‘Smallville’ and ‘Supernatural’ on Channel 10 (and now Eleven), ‘Arrow’ and ‘Gotham’ on Channel 9 (which moved to Fox 8 on Foxtel) and The Flash, Supergirl, DC’s Legends of Tomorrow, Marvel’s the Runaways’ and ‘The Gifted’ on Fox 8. I was under the impression that when ‘Arrow’ started here we would have got it on Channel 10 ‘cause that was what channel ‘Smallville’ was on but Channel 9 got it and they had the rights to all the other DC shows and sold them to Foxtel – that was after months of stuffing us around with the shows though and when America was airing Season 3 of ‘Gotham’ we had got Season 2 on DVD and Season 2 didn't air on Channel 9's 'Go' until later and we didn't watch it 'cause we had it on DVD by then. What is it like for you in the UK? Do you get all the DC and Marvel shows on the same channel or is it spread out over there?
I thought 'Lucifer' was on the CW Network in America 'cause we get that on Fox8 now and they advertised it with other shows that were on the CW Network in America but apparently not since Fox cancelled it and what surprised me at the moment with 'Lucifer' is why it was picked up by Netflix and not the DC Online Streaming Service 'cause it is a DC show and it would be another addition that might get more people to buy the streaming service. If Fox doesn't own 'Gotham' I think they should have moved it to the DC Online Streaming Service too so it could have gone longer but with them announcing it is the final season and the writers having plans set up it is unlikely that will happen. I think with Lucifer it's a case of the shows going into it's 4th season so presumably the cost maybe going up if actors have a built in raise per season clause in their contract, and it was a big network show not a CW show so your probably looking at low 6 figures easy per ep for the leads, as opposed to CW shows where it could be between $30-70k for the leads or as low as $100k for the entire cast per ep, so easier to get Netflix to foot the bill as that way DC make money off the show regardless.
Gotham I don't think they had a choice of pulling S5 off of Fox I would assume that's up to Fox unless their deal is only for X amount of years then the network decide how many seasons they are going to pick up, but if Gotham got canned DC probably could have shipped it around, but again a show going into it's 5th season maybe pricey for a start up streaming service.
oh and I know how you feel we get it the same over here with networks shows being on all different channels rare occasion that doesn't happen is when it's a show on a channel that both us and America has like Sy Fy or some shit, but even then that's not a certainty, makes it even more confusing when shows hit syndication numbers at which point 1 channel can have the rights to the new seasons but another has the rights to the syndicated package, had it happen in the past when remember when you had to actually record shit on VHS if you wanted to watch it later, my sister recording the syndicated Simpsons episodes on channel 4 when she was meant to tape the new episodes airing on Sky, what a kafuffle. That makes sense but aren’t Time Warner supposed to be a very rich company and they could afford to pay the actors’ salary and any built in raises if they wanted to? I think if they really wanted to save ‘Gotham’ they would have picked it up by now for their streaming service but with the show going in to its fifth season in 2019 which is already being advertised as its final season and the loss of ratings I sadly don’t think they saw it being worth the money. They also probably didn’t think it would fit with their other shows which by the look of things are all going to exist in one universe with the exception of ‘Swamp Thing’ and ‘Metropolis.’ So far the DC Online Streaming Service have live action TV shows of ‘Titans’, ‘Doom Patrol’, ‘Metropolis’, ‘Stargirl’ and ‘Swamp Thing’ coming and I recently read there is expected to be one more live action show announced before the end of the year.
What that show will be is anybody’s guess but with those TV shows, an upcoming ‘Batwoman’ show, an Alfred’ show and an animated show of ‘Harley Quinn’ they may have also thought there were too many DC shows and fans wouldn’t have been able to keep up with them especially with ‘Arrow’, ‘The Flash’, ‘Supergirl’, ‘Krypton’, ‘Black Lightning’ and ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ being renewed. There are going to be 14 Live Action DC shows in total on TV next year and another one which has yet to be revealed which brings it to 15 and getting rid of ‘Gotham’ doesn’t seem much when you look at all of the other shows they have now like if it had been back in the 00s and they got rid of ‘Smallville’ then it would have been a blow to DC ‘cause it was one of the only DC shows on air aside from that awful adaption of ‘Birds of Prey.’ Speaking of ‘Gotham’ have you heard the news about Jeramiah? He is NOT the Joker either and things just get more confusing and according to the articles I have read the real Joker is going to turn up in the last season and will be known as ‘The Joker’ and have the green hair and it sounds like he is only going to be in the final episode. Unless Jerimiah and Jerome have a third brother I believe they will use another actor this time and might go with somebody older. I don’t know how the writers are going to introduce him this time and I think they should have him as the Red Hood first but there are rumours saying it is going to be similar to what they did with the Joker in ‘Arkham Origins’ with Joker impersonating somebody else like a returning Black Mask and he will reveal himself near the end.
Cameron Monaghan who is the actor behind Jerimiah and Jerome is set to play Superboy next in the ‘Reign of Supermen’ animated movie and it hasn’t been confirmed how many episodes he is going to be in next season but since they are going to have a real Joker they might kill Jeramiah off fairly early so they can focus on building that up and new villains like Man Bat. It’s nice to hear that I am not the only one who gets mixed up over the shows and channels.
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Post by dazz on Aug 3, 2018 12:51:06 GMT
Whilst WB CAN afford to pick up any contract they want it's a business to them, the streaming service is going to be given a budget, they need to maximise their budget, bringing in a 6th season show where cast will likely be wanting to negotiate higher salaries soon or maybe upfront as who knows if those contracts are transferable from network to network or not, and it's not like Gotham is a crown jewel, for Netflix this is fine because they also just need to acquire new content regularly when their deals expire for certain shows and their always on the look out for "original" programming.
Also as you said DC are about to launch an Alfred, Harley, Batwoman & Titans show all of which will likely want to and will borrow from the main franchise, Gotham does this a lot also, so likely just how we don't get Ra's on both Gotham or the Arrowverse at the same time we wont be getting multiple variations on the same characters through their streaming shows all at once.
As for Joker in Gotham...oh sweet baby jeebus what in the flying fuck are they doing? I give up with these people I really do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 11:46:07 GMT
Whilst WB CAN afford to pick up any contract they want it's a business to them, the streaming service is going to be given a budget, they need to maximise their budget, bringing in a 6th season show where cast will likely be wanting to negotiate higher salaries soon or maybe upfront as who knows if those contracts are transferable from network to network or not, and it's not like Gotham is a crown jewel, for Netflix this is fine because they also just need to acquire new content regularly when their deals expire for certain shows and their always on the look out for "original" programming. Also as you said DC are about to launch an Alfred, Harley, Batwoman & Titans show all of which will likely want to and will borrow from the main franchise, Gotham does this a lot also, so likely just how we don't get Ra's on both Gotham or the Arrowverse at the same time we wont be getting multiple variations on the same characters through their streaming shows all at once. As for Joker in Gotham...oh sweet baby jeebus what in the flying fuck are they doing? I give up with these people I really do. You're right. The ‘DC Online Streaming Service’ will most likely be given a budget the writers of these shows will have to stick to and bringing in an already established cast who will want to get paid more for future seasons than the actors of ‘Titans’, ‘Stargirl’, ‘Doom Patrol’ and ‘Swamp Thing’ for example and the budget of Gotham would be reduced to pay the cast. I am very interested in seeing how high the budgets are for these shows in comparison to ‘Gotham’ on Fox and the CW shows ‘cause I heard the reason why Swamp Thing wasn’t used in the Arrowverse shows was ‘cause the character was too expensive to use and to have an ongoing series about a character that was deemed too expensive to use on the CW Network must mean the DC Online Streaming Service has a far bigger budgets for their TV shows.
‘Gotham’ does have a lot of characters the other shows are going to want to borrow from – I am not sure if ‘Harley Quinn’ makes much difference being an animated show ‘cause animated shows seem to have a much larger range of characters they can use than the Live Action shows and the animated movies do too and we watched ‘The Death of Superman’ movie the other night and it had characters like Wonder Woman, The Flash and Cyborg in it who are all in the DCEU and according to the articles I have read about ‘Harley Quinn’ it is going to have a lot of female characters appearing in it and the likes of Wonder Woman, Batgirl, Supergirl, Catwoman and Poison Ivy were all named. ‘Batwoman’, ‘Titans’ and ‘Alfred’ may want to use some of the villains that are on ‘Gotham’ and then there is the Riddler who I have mentioned in the past that could turn up on the eighth season of ‘Arrow.’
I found it strange how ‘Gotham’ had Ra’ with the League of Shadows and not the League of Assassins ‘cause the League of Shadows were originally a splinter group of the League of Assassins which were lead by Lady Shiva and with Lady Shiva officially confirmed to be in ‘Gotham’ next season they might have her take over the group but I think the main reason they used that name is ‘cause ‘Arrow’ is still using it as we saw in the episode where Nyssa returned and I also think ‘Arrow’ has plans to have her and Talia return in the future and Talia will want revenge on Oliver so she could be off limits for other shows. As for the Joker, I think they don't like what they have with Jeriamiah so they decided to change it again.
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Post by dazz on Aug 15, 2018 13:35:50 GMT
Whilst WB CAN afford to pick up any contract they want it's a business to them, the streaming service is going to be given a budget, they need to maximise their budget, bringing in a 6th season show where cast will likely be wanting to negotiate higher salaries soon or maybe upfront as who knows if those contracts are transferable from network to network or not, and it's not like Gotham is a crown jewel, for Netflix this is fine because they also just need to acquire new content regularly when their deals expire for certain shows and their always on the look out for "original" programming. Also as you said DC are about to launch an Alfred, Harley, Batwoman & Titans show all of which will likely want to and will borrow from the main franchise, Gotham does this a lot also, so likely just how we don't get Ra's on both Gotham or the Arrowverse at the same time we wont be getting multiple variations on the same characters through their streaming shows all at once. As for Joker in Gotham...oh sweet baby jeebus what in the flying fuck are they doing? I give up with these people I really do. You're right. The ‘DC Online Streaming Service’ will most likely be given a budget the writers of these shows will have to stick to and bringing in an already established cast who will want to get paid more for future seasons than the actors of ‘Titans’, ‘Stargirl’, ‘Doom Patrol’ and ‘Swamp Thing’ for example and the budget of Gotham would be reduced to pay the cast. I am very interested in seeing how high the budgets are for these shows in comparison to ‘Gotham’ on Fox and the CW shows ‘cause I heard the reason why Swamp Thing wasn’t used in the Arrowverse shows was ‘cause the character was too expensive to use and to have an ongoing series about a character that was deemed too expensive to use on the CW Network must mean the DC Online Streaming Service has a far bigger budgets for their TV shows.
‘Gotham’ does have a lot of characters the other shows are going to want to borrow from – I am not sure if ‘Harley Quinn’ makes much difference being an animated show ‘cause animated shows seem to have a much larger range of characters they can use than the Live Action shows and the animated movies do too and we watched ‘The Death of Superman’ movie the other night and it had characters like Wonder Woman, The Flash and Cyborg in it who are all in the DCEU and according to the articles I have read about ‘Harley Quinn’ it is going to have a lot of female characters appearing in it and the likes of Wonder Woman, Batgirl, Supergirl, Catwoman and Poison Ivy were all named. ‘Batwoman’, ‘Titans’ and ‘Alfred’ may want to use some of the villains that are on ‘Gotham’ and then there is the Riddler who I have mentioned in the past that could turn up on the eighth season of ‘Arrow.’
I found it strange how ‘Gotham’ had Ra’ with the League of Shadows and not the League of Assassins ‘cause the League of Shadows were originally a splinter group of the League of Assassins which were lead by Lady Shiva and with Lady Shiva officially confirmed to be in ‘Gotham’ next season they might have her take over the group but I think the main reason they used that name is ‘cause ‘Arrow’ is still using it as we saw in the episode where Nyssa returned and I also think ‘Arrow’ has plans to have her and Talia return in the future and Talia will want revenge on Oliver so she could be off limits for other shows. As for the Joker, I think they don't like what they have with Jeriamiah so they decided to change it again. On the Swamp thing budget, it could be they have a larger budget, or could be doing 23-4 episodes a year with only like 2 months to render heavy CG is too expensive, where as filming 10-13 episodes and giving the effects people 6-8 months to render that shit could be less costly, but I wouldn't be surprised if the shows have the same budget per season as the CW shows but they have less episodes so more per episode to spend, I mean I think I head GOT had like $100m for season 6 maybe, which is $10m an episode, where as Arrow and them have more like $3-4m, which over the course of a year is like $70-95m, but if you look at the end products those seasons don't look like their that close in terms of budget, but that's because GOT doesn't rush, which you can also see in things like JL, all the money in the world isn't a substitute for time in regards to making shit look good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 12:22:02 GMT
You're right. The ‘DC Online Streaming Service’ will most likely be given a budget the writers of these shows will have to stick to and bringing in an already established cast who will want to get paid more for future seasons than the actors of ‘Titans’, ‘Stargirl’, ‘Doom Patrol’ and ‘Swamp Thing’ for example and the budget of Gotham would be reduced to pay the cast. I am very interested in seeing how high the budgets are for these shows in comparison to ‘Gotham’ on Fox and the CW shows ‘cause I heard the reason why Swamp Thing wasn’t used in the Arrowverse shows was ‘cause the character was too expensive to use and to have an ongoing series about a character that was deemed too expensive to use on the CW Network must mean the DC Online Streaming Service has a far bigger budgets for their TV shows.
‘Gotham’ does have a lot of characters the other shows are going to want to borrow from – I am not sure if ‘Harley Quinn’ makes much difference being an animated show ‘cause animated shows seem to have a much larger range of characters they can use than the Live Action shows and the animated movies do too and we watched ‘The Death of Superman’ movie the other night and it had characters like Wonder Woman, The Flash and Cyborg in it who are all in the DCEU and according to the articles I have read about ‘Harley Quinn’ it is going to have a lot of female characters appearing in it and the likes of Wonder Woman, Batgirl, Supergirl, Catwoman and Poison Ivy were all named. ‘Batwoman’, ‘Titans’ and ‘Alfred’ may want to use some of the villains that are on ‘Gotham’ and then there is the Riddler who I have mentioned in the past that could turn up on the eighth season of ‘Arrow.’
I found it strange how ‘Gotham’ had Ra’ with the League of Shadows and not the League of Assassins ‘cause the League of Shadows were originally a splinter group of the League of Assassins which were lead by Lady Shiva and with Lady Shiva officially confirmed to be in ‘Gotham’ next season they might have her take over the group but I think the main reason they used that name is ‘cause ‘Arrow’ is still using it as we saw in the episode where Nyssa returned and I also think ‘Arrow’ has plans to have her and Talia return in the future and Talia will want revenge on Oliver so she could be off limits for other shows. As for the Joker, I think they don't like what they have with Jeriamiah so they decided to change it again. On the Swamp thing budget, it could be they have a larger budget, or could be doing 23-4 episodes a year with only like 2 months to render heavy CG is too expensive, where as filming 10-13 episodes and giving the effects people 6-8 months to render that shit could be less costly, but I wouldn't be surprised if the shows have the same budget per season as the CW shows but they have less episodes so more per episode to spend, I mean I think I head GOT had like $100m for season 6 maybe, which is $10m an episode, where as Arrow and them have more like $3-4m, which over the course of a year is like $70-95m, but if you look at the end products those seasons don't look like their that close in terms of budget, but that's because GOT doesn't rush, which you can also see in things like JL, all the money in the world isn't a substitute for time in regards to making shit look good. Yeah. I totally forgot about that but you are right Dazz. Having less episodes a season than most DC TV shows would allow them to do a lot more with their budget than shows like ‘Arrow’, ‘The Flash’, ‘Gotham’ and ‘Supergirl’ and people have praised ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ for the special effects they had last season and that has the least episodes of all the ‘Arrowverse’ shows so they would have had the most money to spend on their special effects. That probably also explains why they can do so much more on the Syfy Channel with some shows too 'cause most of their shows only go 10-13 episodes. I do still think they might have a slightly larger budget than the 'Arrowverse' shows 'cause they will be going through Warner Bros and not a network and Warner Bros is most likely going to want all the shows on the 'DC Online Streaming Service' to look flashy so people get it. I am really hoping we get some of these shows here on Foxtel or Netflix 'cause we won't be getting the DC Online Streaming Service but it was confirmed 'Harley Quinn' and the series of 'Young Justice' are going to air on Netflix here so I see no reason why we can't get 'Titans', 'Stargirl', 'Doom Patrol' and 'Swamp Thing.' Are you getting the DC Online Streaming Service in England or is it only available for America?
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Post by dazz on Aug 25, 2018 17:37:56 GMT
On the Swamp thing budget, it could be they have a larger budget, or could be doing 23-4 episodes a year with only like 2 months to render heavy CG is too expensive, where as filming 10-13 episodes and giving the effects people 6-8 months to render that shit could be less costly, but I wouldn't be surprised if the shows have the same budget per season as the CW shows but they have less episodes so more per episode to spend, I mean I think I head GOT had like $100m for season 6 maybe, which is $10m an episode, where as Arrow and them have more like $3-4m, which over the course of a year is like $70-95m, but if you look at the end products those seasons don't look like their that close in terms of budget, but that's because GOT doesn't rush, which you can also see in things like JL, all the money in the world isn't a substitute for time in regards to making shit look good. Yeah. I totally forgot about that but you are right Dazz. Having less episodes a season than most DC TV shows would allow them to do a lot more with their budget than shows like ‘Arrow’, ‘The Flash’, ‘Gotham’ and ‘Supergirl’ and people have praised ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ for the special effects they had last season and that has the least episodes of all the ‘Arrowverse’ shows so they would have had the most money to spend on their special effects. That probably also explains why they can do so much more on the Syfy Channel with some shows too 'cause most of their shows only go 10-13 episodes. I do still think they might have a slightly larger budget than the 'Arrowverse' shows 'cause they will be going through Warner Bros and not a network and Warner Bros is most likely going to want all the shows on the 'DC Online Streaming Service' to look flashy so people get it. I am really hoping we get some of these shows here on Foxtel or Netflix 'cause we won't be getting the DC Online Streaming Service but it was confirmed 'Harley Quinn' and the series of 'Young Justice' are going to air on Netflix here so I see no reason why we can't get 'Titans', 'Stargirl', 'Doom Patrol' and 'Swamp Thing.' Are you getting the DC Online Streaming Service in England or is it only available for America? Not sure, I would assume they would be rolling it out in America first, then selling the rights to shows to Netflix and that for a year or two to subsidise the subscribers until they build brand awareness and reliability, international money can often be where it's at for these shows, I just found out apparently Flash is like a billion $ property for the CW due to it's international sales and stuff, which means Arrow and Supergirl must be at like $500-750m a year a piece, goes to show why CW doesn't care about smaller ratings in the US their products often sell well internationally and that's where they make their money from.
But yeah shorter seasons help with the effects as do less stringent season start dates, but LOT I bet does benefit from the shorter seasons, they are apparently or were atleast the most expensive of the CW DC shows so im guessing they had the same budget per season as the others but they have what 6-8 less episodes to film, also they saved money I bet with the ground hogs day episode as it was all on set stuff, and they could knock a lot of that shit out quick.
But yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they have a little bump or even a big bump in budget, they could be set to lose money on this first generation of shows just to build the streaming services credibility up a few notches.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 12:43:33 GMT
Yeah. I totally forgot about that but you are right Dazz. Having less episodes a season than most DC TV shows would allow them to do a lot more with their budget than shows like ‘Arrow’, ‘The Flash’, ‘Gotham’ and ‘Supergirl’ and people have praised ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ for the special effects they had last season and that has the least episodes of all the ‘Arrowverse’ shows so they would have had the most money to spend on their special effects. That probably also explains why they can do so much more on the Syfy Channel with some shows too 'cause most of their shows only go 10-13 episodes. I do still think they might have a slightly larger budget than the 'Arrowverse' shows 'cause they will be going through Warner Bros and not a network and Warner Bros is most likely going to want all the shows on the 'DC Online Streaming Service' to look flashy so people get it. I am really hoping we get some of these shows here on Foxtel or Netflix 'cause we won't be getting the DC Online Streaming Service but it was confirmed 'Harley Quinn' and the series of 'Young Justice' are going to air on Netflix here so I see no reason why we can't get 'Titans', 'Stargirl', 'Doom Patrol' and 'Swamp Thing.' Are you getting the DC Online Streaming Service in England or is it only available for America? Not sure, I would assume they would be rolling it out in America first, then selling the rights to shows to Netflix and that for a year or two to subsidise the subscribers until they build brand awareness and reliability, international money can often be where it's at for these shows, I just found out apparently Flash is like a billion $ property for the CW due to it's international sales and stuff, which means Arrow and Supergirl must be at like $500-750m a year a piece, goes to show why CW doesn't care about smaller ratings in the US their products often sell well internationally and that's where they make their money from.
But yeah shorter seasons help with the effects as do less stringent season start dates, but LOT I bet does benefit from the shorter seasons, they are apparently or were atleast the most expensive of the CW DC shows so im guessing they had the same budget per season as the others but they have what 6-8 less episodes to film, also they saved money I bet with the ground hogs day episode as it was all on set stuff, and they could knock a lot of that shit out quick.
But yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they have a little bump or even a big bump in budget, they could be set to lose money on this first generation of shows just to build the streaming services credibility up a few notches.
I found an article about why the DC Universe (Online Streaming Service) isn’t available outside of the United States on Screen Rant and it looks like we are going to have to wait a number of years before we get it here ‘cause DC haven’t made any official statements about countries outside of the United States and I think you are right about them rolling it out to America first and they might want to see how well it goes there before making it available in our countries but the good news is multiple sites are saying we won’t have to wait long to see the shows and it is very likely shows like ‘Titans’, ‘Doom Patrol’, ‘Swamp Thing’ and ‘Stargirl’ will be available in other countries on different networks in the next year or so and one site used Hulu as an example and we get a lot of Hulu shows here on Foxtel.
With Fox 8’s exclusive deal with DC/ Warner Bros it is possible ‘Titans’, ‘Doom Patrol’, Swamp Thing’ and ‘Stargirl’ could all turn up on Fox 8 and that would be awesome if that is the case and I think we will be getting the ‘Batwoman’ show for sure here in Australia since it is part of the ‘Arrowverse’ and we have all the other DC shows here now on Fox8, the Syfy Channel and Netflix. I didn’t know shows such as ‘Arrow’, ‘The Flash’ and ‘Supergirl’ were worth that much when it comes to the international sales either but I suppose it makes sense in some ways and I know ‘Neighbours’ only gets renewed in this country every year ‘cause of the money it is making Ten internationally especially in England and a few years ago it was reported ‘Neighbours’ had the lowest ratings it ever had in its history and if it wasn’t for it getting good ratings in other countries it would have been axed at the time.
International sales help a number of shows and I heard ‘Dawson’s Creek’ dominated ratings here far more than it did in America and ‘Dawson’s Creek’ was insanely popular here when it was on and was a show people of all ages were watching and we had people naming their children Dawson, Joey and Pacey among other names ‘cause of the popularity of ‘Dawson’s Creek.’ 'Alias' was another show I heard did a lot better in other countries with ratings than in America and over here it was beating a lot of other shows in ratings especially in the first three seasons. I am not sure how ‘Titans’ or the other shows are going to turn out and I know there has been a lot of negativity surrounding ‘Titan’s due to the costumes and look of the characters and I am hoping that turns out to be good 'cause I have been waiting to see it.
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Post by BexxyJ on Sept 11, 2018 7:43:59 GMT
Not sure, I would assume they would be rolling it out in America first, then selling the rights t
International sales help a number of shows and I heard ‘Dawson’s Creek’ dominated ratings here far more than it did in America and ‘Dawson’s Creek’ was insanely popular here when it was on and was a show people of all ages were watching and we had people naming their children Dawson, Joey and Pacey among other names ‘cause of the popularity of ‘Dawson’s Creek.’ 'Alias' was another show I heard did a lot better in other countries with ratings than in America and over here it was beating a lot of other shows in ratings especially in the first three seasons. I am not sure how ‘Titans’ or the other shows are going to turn out and I know there has been a lot of negativity surrounding ‘Titan’s due to the costumes and look of the characters and I am hoping that turns out to be good 'cause I have been waiting to see it. Dawson’s Creek only dominated ratings here because everybody was waiting to see Dawson drown in his creek but those damn writers killed off Jen instead. I will never forgive them for doing that and I blame Katie Holmes and her overblown ego. She wanted to be the only female lead in the show so she drove Andie off and had Jen killed. Has there been a more villainous character than Joey Potter? swonderfulsmarvellous.wordpress.com/2012/04/04/joey-potter-the-reason-capeside-sucked/
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Post by dazz on Sept 11, 2018 15:23:14 GMT
Yes and we all know her name and it is... Felicity Smoak*thunder cracks and lightning fills the sky* AAAAAAAH....I shat meself
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 11, 2018 18:09:01 GMT
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 23, 2018 13:48:08 GMT
Robert Englund auditioned for the role of Han Solo, but didn't get it because he was considered too young. So later in the day he mentioned the audition to his friend, another struggling actor, who went out and auditioned himself. And got the role of Luke Skywalker.
Yep. Robert Englund got Mark hamil the role of his lifetime. Over Heinken's and a game of Monopoly while the Mary Tyler Moore Show played.
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