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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 20, 2017 22:37:38 GMT
Alright, sir. That's fair.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 21, 2017 1:39:03 GMT
If the movie itself is about addressing SJW/PC issues, then it's perfectly fine. That's what the movie is about anyway right? But if the movie tries to hide an agenda underneath a movie that has nothing to do with it, then I think that's just crass. I.E. Ghostbusters. Yep. Likewise for The Force Awakens. I credit Donald Trump's victory at the polls in no small part to the release of these and similar films leading up to the election; it was backlash against a perceived onslaught of propaganda by, among other places, Hollywood. Because a woman and minorities were the leads of a Star Wars movie? There was only "perceived" agenda there because there was no "Luke" as the main character. People like their "Leia" strong, but not as strong as the "Luke" and "Han." Movies have nothing to do with Trump winning. Only stupidity and fear and him showing that there are a lack of good republicans, got him there. He even said, in front of his voters, that he ran on lies and their idiocy.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 21, 2017 3:12:01 GMT
Yep. Likewise for The Force Awakens. I credit Donald Trump's victory at the polls in no small part to the release of these and similar films leading up to the election; it was backlash against a perceived onslaught of propaganda by, among other places, Hollywood. Because a woman and minorities were the leads of a Star Wars movie? There was only "perceived" agenda there because there was no "Luke" as the main character. People like their "Leia" strong, but not as strong as the "Luke" and "Han." Movies have nothing to do with Trump winning. Only stupidity and fear and him showing that there are a lack of good republicans, got him there. He even said, in front of his voters, that he ran on lies and their idiocy. I would argue just the opposite. Movies reflect cultural mores; when they outpace the culture they're subject to backlash. In the case of TFA, however, it wasn't that at all; it wasn't that they cast "a woman and minorities" as the "leads of a Star Wars movie." It's that they cast them as the leads of shitty, hot-shotted cash-grab shamefully mislabeled as a Star Wars "movie" and then proponents of the film called anyone and everyone who criticized its flimsy story and cynical script a racist and a sexist and an asshole, which is condescending, oblivious, and stupid... Kinda like how proponents of a corrupt, status-quo corporatist hack warmonger named Hillary Clinton called anyone and everyone who criticized their candidate's flimsy positions and cynical platform a racist and a sexist and an asshole -- and lost. Badly, in large part for being PERCEIVED as condescending, oblivious, and stupid. But what do I know? I supported Bernie Sanders...
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 21, 2017 15:50:37 GMT
Yeah.... let's not bring politics into this debate. Especially when quite a number of us aren't Americans and don't really care about American politics.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 21, 2017 17:49:50 GMT
regarding Ghostbusters I think Sony (and cast) bullied people (critics) into siding with them, if you like it you're a good person, but if you don't you're a misogynist.....yeah............not a great idea. also the problem is that there is a snowball effect, a handful of people say something "controversial" on the internet, engulfing opinions to become this homogenous mold. outside of that, I try to look at the number, not looking too far into the reviews so it doesn't excite or temper my expectations. for example "The Counsellor" a critically panned film, I read to the reviews, watched it a year later and found myself really enjoying it. btw Ghostbusters 2016 is a solid 5.5/10, it's just there. Paul Feig was the wrong choice as director, his films outside of "Bridesmaids" are kind of dull, relying on shtick more than actual characters, and what set "Bridesmaids" apart was the fairly personal script by Wiig
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 21, 2017 18:07:39 GMT
Actually, they didn't. What they said was don't bash the movie just because the Ghostbusters are women. Essentially, they told misogynists to not be misogynistic. That's not bullying.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 21, 2017 20:05:37 GMT
Actually, they didn't. What they said was don't bash the movie just because the Ghostbusters are women. Essentially, they told misogynists to not be misogynistic. That's not bullying. no I understand, you can tell them off because they are assholes, but it's when they lump together anyone who has a criticism towards the film as such.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 21, 2017 20:09:58 GMT
Agreed. Unfortunately, 99% of the criticism before the movie even came out was just directed at the women.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 21, 2017 22:30:15 GMT
Agreed. Unfortunately, 99% of the criticism before the movie even came out was just directed at the women. while fairly true, you also have the most volatile painting the perception of anyone who is critical the film, I mean there a guy who made a video stating how he's not looking forward to the film, and refused to watch it, then to be labeled a sexist, despite stating exactly why he was disinterested in the film. what the film needed was to be good, not just "okay"
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 21, 2017 22:52:25 GMT
Sure, but was that Sony and the cast who did that to him?
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