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Post by petrolino on Jul 8, 2018 4:16:30 GMT
Did they close down some of the steel mills and metal operations in Ohio (Lorain, Springfield, Warren, Youngstown ...)?
'During the 1960s and 1970s, Midwestern and Eastern states, such as Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, became known as the Rustbelt. During this twenty year period, these states experienced economic and population declines as many businesses moved out of the region to either foreign countries or to the Sunbelt, Southern states like Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Arizona, and California, among other states. There were several reasons for this decline. Many people preferred the warmer climate and sunshine of the South, the Sunbelt, than the colder temperatures and snow of the North, the Rustbelt.'
- Ohio History Central
Can't say for sure about the mills used in the film, but US steel production has suffered badly since the Vietnam War. When I moved to Chicago in 1980 there were several mills operating on the South Side along the lake – Wisconsin Steel, Republic, US Steel.... One by one they closed. There were only one or two still going along the Indiana shore when I left in '95. Whiting and Gary?
Sounds very much like the slow and painful decline of heavy industry here in England.  |
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Post by telegonus on Jul 8, 2018 4:31:02 GMT
Can't say for sure about the mills used in the film, but US steel production has suffered badly since the Vietnam War. When I moved to Chicago in 1980 there were several mills operating on the South Side along the lake – Wisconsin Steel, Republic, US Steel.... One by one they closed. There were only one or two still going along the Indiana shore when I left in '95. Whiting and Gary?
Sounds very much like the slow and painful decline of heavy industry here in England. New England also, Petro.  My family, both sides, is from the Merrimack Valley, which was in its heyday, the Lancashire of the U.S. More generally, so was the region of New England as a whole. Every major river had textile mills, it seems, from Rhode Island and Connecticut through Massachusetts, right into Maine. Luckily, the end of an era has not killed off employment here, and most of the six N.E. states are on the upswing now economically, with a couple of exceptions. Downside: fewer jobs, gentrification (pushing out multi-generational residents, many of them lower skilled working people), an increasingly affluent and skilled population, much of it drawn from other states and now, more and more, other countries. Good for them.
It's a mixed blessing for locals, and for many not a blessing at all. On the other hand, those red brick mills have been, in many places, saved, fixed up, have been turned into museums or new housing for artists and craftspeople. That part of it isn't so bad. Textiles may not qualify as heavy industry, as such. I'm not sure about that. It was certainly labor-intensive, as was the shoe industry which in many places replaced it. This was once a heavily industrial region, though, and for a while New England flirted with becoming an automotive manufacturing center, but Detroit and the Great Lakes states were better equipped for that kind of very heavy manufacturing. We didn't really have the space for that here.
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Post by petrolino on Jul 8, 2018 4:37:02 GMT
Sounds very much like the slow and painful decline of heavy industry here in England. New England also, Petro. My family, both sides, is from the Merrimack Valley, which was in its heyday, the Lancashire of the U.S. More generally, so was the region of New England as a whole. Every major river had textile mills, it seems, from Rhode Island and Connecticut through Massachusetts, right into Maine. Luckily, the end of an era has not killed off employment here, and most of the six N.E. states are on the upswing now economically, with a couple of exceptions. Downside: fewer jobs, gentrification (pushing out multi-generational residents, many of them lower skilled working people), an increasingly affluent and skilled population, much of it drawn from other states and now, more and more, other countries. Good for them.
It's a mixed blessing for locals, and for many not a blessing at all. On the other hand, those red brick mills have been, in many places, saved, fixed up, have been turned into museums or new housing for artists and craftspeople. That part of it isn't so bad. Textiles may not qualify as heavy industry, as such. I'm not sure about that. It was certainly labor-intensive, as was the shoe industry which in many places replaced it. This was once a heavily industrial region, though, and for a while New England flirted with becoming an automotive manufacturing center, but Detroit and the Great Lakes states were better equipped for that kind of very heavy manufacturing. We didn't really have the space for that here.
In England, heavy industries and manufacturers in the north are trying to utilise new technology to improve services, lower prices and increase capacity but it's easier said than done. The textiles industry has moved towards luxury goods but I reckon that's hard to verify and generally unsustainable, depending upon how much income is craved. As for steel production, I think America's new policies will tell us all a lot.
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Post by snsurone on Jul 8, 2018 14:59:05 GMT
Oh dear!
This thread seems to have segued into economics.
We'd better be careful before POLITICS rears its ugly head here!
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Post by telegonus on Jul 8, 2018 17:15:54 GMT
Apropos of San Fran's Playland one may as well throw in the old Coney Island and nearly all those "trolley parks" of the the last century, by which I mean amusement parks mostly, often on beaches, lakes and rivers. Up where I live they're just about all gone,--Nantasket, Revere Beach, Norumbega--and the honkytonk that so often accompanied many of those places, as that's truly a bygone era now, and it's enough to make Tod Browning weep...
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Post by amyghost on Jul 8, 2018 17:25:14 GMT
Jervistetch mentioned Playland At The Beach, in San Francisco, from The Lady From Shanghai. There are, also, venues from Vertigo, which have disappeared. -Ernie's Restaurant, where Scotty first sees Madeleine, changed hands, but remained a restaurant for some time. I'm not sure what it is, now. Since retiring, I don't get to that part of town often. -Podesta Baldacchi, the upscale flower shop where Madeleine bought the bouquet, before going to view Carlotta's portrait, closed many years ago. -The large building that served as Carlotta's hotel/rooming house, has been gone for decades. **** Not from a film, but The Fox Theater, on Market St., fell to the wrecker's ball, in the late 60's. It was tragic! There was a massive effort/protest to save it. But, somehow, $$$$ seems to win. It's now a monolithic office, and apartment complex.  ***** BTW ... Amyghost, it's great to see you again!!  Thank you! It's good to be here. Oh, how I'd love to visit San Francisco. And if I could go back in time and see it when Vertigo was filmed, I'd be delirious. The real star of the film for me is less Stewart and Novak than those magical, misty, pastel-tinted backdrops of the city on those rising hills. It's probably changed a lot from that era, but I'll bet it's still a gorgeous place. I totally get you about the theater. I hate like sin to see these places fall so that some developer can put up their butt-ugly po-mo mall architecture in its place. Where I am there are still a lot of lovely old historic buildings around, but that fate has befallen too many, and there's still a fight to save others from that sort of misguided and short sighted 'improvement'. |
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Post by snsurone on Jul 8, 2018 17:58:09 GMT
I wonder if in the next century (providing human civilization lasts that long) people will wax nostalgic over sites being constructed today.
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Post by snsurone on Jul 12, 2018 23:57:45 GMT
There's a Madison Square Garden but it's not the same place as its previous (3?) incarnations. It was for this MSG that the old Penn Station was demolished! |
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Post by snsurone on Jul 6, 2019 20:59:31 GMT
Going a little OT:
In my own neighborhood (the Upper West Side of Manhattan), so many of the charming, eclectic "Mom & Pop" businesses have closed down.
If you walk along Broadway in the West 80's, you'll find every storefront for rent!
It's those insufferably greedy landlords and corporations that keep jacking up rents that make it impossible for small businesses to stay open.
And most of these places are vacant for years! How the hell will these landlords make any profit if there are no tenants??
The sad thing is that the Upper West Side has become increasingly upscale and gentrified in the last 20+ years.
In fact, it's becoming more and more like the Upper East Side!
Sorry for such a late reply.
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Post by teleadm on Jul 6, 2019 21:41:09 GMT
Going a little OT: In my own neighborhood (the Upper West Side of Manhattan), so many of the charming, eclectic "Mom & Pop" businesses have closed down. If you walk along Broadway in the West 80's, you'll find every storefront for rent! It's those insufferably greedy landlords and corporations that keep jacking up rents that make it impossible for small businesses to stay open. And most of these places are vacant for years! How the hell will these landlords make any profit if there are no tenants?? The sad thing is that the Upper West Side has become increasingly upscale and gentrified in the last 20+ years. In fact, it's becoming more and more like the Upper East Side! Sorry for such a late reply. I sadly see the same thing her too. What was once lively streets with all kinds of old family owned shops, with "for rent" signs everywhere. Unless there is some strange tax deductions for certain persons, there is no point in killing what was once lively streets and alleys.
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Post by koskiewicz on Jul 7, 2019 3:35:54 GMT
...and Chicago again:
The Electric Theater
The Cheetah
The New Yorker
The Kinetic Playground
The Family House
The Buffalo Ice Cream Parlor
Zum Deuchen Eck (German restaurant)
Wimpy's - hamburger joint
Pixley's - fast food diners
Good Humor Ice Cream trucks
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Post by snsurone on Jul 23, 2019 11:26:40 GMT
Another outlet I haven't seen in ages is Howard Johnson: both the restaurant and the motor lodge.
Used to be a time when everywhere you went there would be that iconic orange roof displaying a HoJo establishment.
However, they seemed to have unexpectedly disappeared!
Does anyone know what happened?
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Post by marianne48 on Jul 24, 2019 0:17:19 GMT
When Harry Met Sally showcased NYC in the 1980s. Thirty years later, the bookstores are less common, and it's a lot harder to browse for goofy gifts such as karaoke machines at the Sharper Image since they're only an online retailer these days. Katz's Delicatessen is still there, however. Go ahead and tell them "I'll have what she's having;" yeah, sure, that's the first time they've heard that one.
Not an establishment, but the Old Man of the Mountain in New Hampshire collapsed in 2003, so that natural landmark exists on the NH state quarters and in photos now.
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Post by snsurone on Jul 24, 2019 11:06:32 GMT
Katz's Deli is still open?
That's amazing!
So many famous delis have closed down, e.g. Carnegie's, 2nd Avenue, and others.
And kosher restaurants such as Glucksterns.
There was even a kosher Chinese restaurant (sorry, I forget its name) that went under many years ago.
BTW, Tavern on the Green has reopened, but it's not the same as the old one.
The Crystal Dining Room has been replaced by outdoor seating.
Personally, I'd rather see views of Central Park through plate glass windows in an air-conditioned room than be eaten alive by mosquitos while sitting outdoors!
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Post by telegonus on Jul 25, 2019 18:26:51 GMT
Going a little OT: In my own neighborhood (the Upper West Side of Manhattan), so many of the charming, eclectic "Mom & Pop" businesses have closed down. If you walk along Broadway in the West 80's, you'll find every storefront for rent! It's those insufferably greedy landlords and corporations that keep jacking up rents that make it impossible for small businesses to stay open. And most of these places are vacant for years! How the hell will these landlords make any profit if there are no tenants?? The sad thing is that the Upper West Side has become increasingly upscale and gentrified in the last 20+ years. In fact, it's becoming more and more like the Upper East Side! Sorry for such a late reply. This is true for a lot of cities, including the one I live in. It's strangely, cruelly ironic that in such places where so many rich, hip, supposedly beautiful people want to live a neighborhood variety store and pizza parlor can't survive. It's like "everyone wants to live here BUT...when you walk down the street you can't find a place to buy an ice cream cone". 
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Post by giajake on Jul 26, 2019 0:57:13 GMT
What a wonderful thread. It takes me down memory lane. There is no longer any John Wanamakers in Philadelphia, where Blow Out was filmed, nor any Horn and Hardarts or Lintons. Of course all the public telephones are gone too, as well as the milk factory with the big elefant that was on its roof. I don't miss the smell of the slaughterhouses though.
Hello everyone. I recognize so many wonderful names from the old IMDB site. It's great that I finally found my way here. Love to all.
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Post by jervistetch on Jul 26, 2019 3:04:54 GMT
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Post by snsurone on Jul 26, 2019 12:46:18 GMT
Glajake, I truly appreciate that you like this thread.
But it must be understood that it was not meant to be a "happy" thread.
Believe me, I love nostalgia as much as the next person.
But the main point of the thread is exposing the corporate greed that resulted in the loss of these great landmarks.
Maybe I should have empathized this at the beginning.
My apologies for any misunderstanding.
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Post by bravomailer on Jul 26, 2019 13:39:34 GMT
Maybe not so famous but Louis's was where Michael exacted revenge on the McCloskey and the Turk. Update: Looks like someone posted a photo of Louis over a year ago. Me!!!!  |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jul 27, 2019 4:17:25 GMT
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My family, both sides, is from the Merrimack Valley, which was in its heyday, the Lancashire of the U.S. More generally, so was the region of New England as a whole. Every major river had textile mills, it seems, from Rhode Island and Connecticut through Massachusetts, right into Maine. Luckily, the end of an era has not killed off employment here, and most of the six N.E. states are on the upswing now economically, with a couple of exceptions. Downside: fewer jobs, gentrification (pushing out multi-generational residents, many of them lower skilled working people), an increasingly affluent and skilled population, much of it drawn from other states and now, more and more, other countries. Good for them. 
