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Post by jammer81386 on Jul 8, 2018 20:13:48 GMT
I'll be the first to admit that there is an excessive amount of negativity within the Star Wars fandom. We have been crying about our childhoods being ruined for nearly two decades now. We are apparently a very difficult group to please.
That said, I am not fan of how current Lucasfilm regime is reacting the the negative feedback they have received over the past few years. Calling detractors man-babies, sexists, etc. is not going to any mend any bridges and will in fact only alienate other more level-headed fans who are critical of the films. The creators of the Ghostbusters remake did the same thing and things turned out terribly for them.
George Lucas received more than his fair share of criticism when making the prequels, yet I cannot recall him ever lashing out at the fans or trying to delegitimize their opinions.
Despite my misgivings with some of the decisions made with the recent films, The Last Jedi in particular, I do not want to see the franchise die. And I feel that the recent behavior of the creators is only going to exacerbate their problems.
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Post by darkpast on Jul 8, 2018 21:18:33 GMT
Correct, Lucas never attacked fans. He defending his movies saying they were for kids. Never attack the customer.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 9, 2018 16:33:14 GMT
That's true. I hadn't thought about it before but you're right. He took "the higher ground" in essence.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jul 9, 2018 17:21:23 GMT
My only problem with Lucas was his attitude that he should constantly change things and pretend that what he originally made, never existed.
Spielberg made changes to E.T. but still released both versions on home video, even if it was a limited edition release, so that the fans who saw it in the theaters would be able to have that version too...
If Lucas had released High Quality versions of the original trilogy, as they were seen in the theaters... And yes, maybe even "Star Wars" with the Episode IV Tag... Fans would not have been so hateful.
And from what I hear... YES... it still all exists in the Vault... But the negatives were chopped up into pieces to make the Special Editions. All one would have to do, is put it all back together.
If the studio is really wanting to make money off of these Films...
Then they need to properly release "Star Wars" "Empire Strikes Back" & "Return Of The Jedi" in 16x9 Widescreen on Blu-Ray & 4K in the edits as they were originally seen in the theaters.
The consumers will buy them...
Is there a 4K release of these films yet?
Include both versions on a Two Disc 4K release, and watch the sales go through the roof!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 9, 2018 17:29:44 GMT
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 10, 2018 14:28:49 GMT
Spielberg made changes to E.T. but still released both versions on home video, even if it was a limited edition release, so that the fans who saw it in the theaters would be able to have that version too... Then they need to properly release "Star Wars" "Empire Strikes Back" & "Return Of The Jedi" in 16x9 Widescreen on Blu-Ray & 4K in the edits as they were originally seen in the theaters. Spielberg admitted that he won't make anymore changes to his movies after the negative reaction fans had to E.T. He said he didn't mean to upset the fans but understood their view of it. Disney may end up releasing the theatrical cut of the original trilogy when they gain the rights to Episodes 5-6 in 2020. 20th Century Fox retains the rights to Episode 4 in all perpetuity but that's only if Disney's buyout of them doesn't goes through. For the time being, there's still a vote among the Fox board that needs to take place and there's a lawsuit in the process (a shareholder is suing Fox in order to try to prevent Fox from going to Disney) that may slow down things as well. If Disney does get the rights to the whole OT, I can see them releasing it remastered. However, they will likely sell it with Episodes 7-9 so they can say their Star Wars movies made a lot of money on home release. You know...the same way musician/singer Prince would sell concert tickets and include the price of his new CD into the ticket price, so it made him look like he was at the top of the music charts as result...even though he really wasn't. People had just bought tickets to his live shows and got the CD whether they wanted it or not. I can see the news articles now: "Disney's home release sells of Episodes 7-9 (with a bonus remastered version of Episodes 4-6) confirms that true fans love their new movies! 'Misogynists and racists have nothing on Disney's rejuvenation of the Star Wars brand!' says inside source who wishes to remain anonymous..."
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 10, 2018 14:40:15 GMT
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jul 10, 2018 15:53:46 GMT
I guess they should tteat people who call them racial and sexist slurs, and threaten to kill them, with more respect. Shame on them.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 10, 2018 20:35:08 GMT
Lucas took the high road, eh? opera creator hopes Disney and JJ Abrams won’t turn The Force ‘into a bunch of gobbledegook’ – and says Jar Jar Binks is his favourite character
Yeah, he's a real saint. What was with the clips? I didn't particularly agree with the Hayden inclusion in Episode 6 as it seems odd Anakin would be presented as young while Yoda and Obi-Wan are both still old...especially since Anakin died/redeemed himself when he was old too. In terms of what Lucas said, he wasn't disrespectful of fans. He wasn't nasty towards the fandom like Disney has decided to do specifically since the release of Episode 8. All he said is that it wasn't fun for him anymore and he decided not to do it anymore. He didn't call anyone a racist or a misogynist. He didn't say they had no taste or that they should look at seeking therapy. He didn't say any of that. As the OP mentioned, he just defended his decisions with his movies. I didn't always agree with those decisions he made, but he wasn't hurting anyone with horrible accusations. It's not the same thing. He took the high ground.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 10, 2018 21:03:14 GMT
I guess they should tteat people who call them racial and sexist slurs, and threaten to kill them, with more respect. Shame on them. You repeatedly keep putting two different groups under the same category. Internet trolls are just that - they exist to cyberbully others. They play Devil's Advocate just to hurl nasty words/thoughts at others. All they're after is spreading hate. Longtime Star Wars fans are a different group. We're the ones who supported the original movies when they were in theaters (repeatedly going back to see them again and again), we sent away for the first Star Wars figurine boxset in hopes of gettin them soon after Christmas, we grew up viewing the movies on VHS, we wore the costumes for Halloween, we had the Star Wars bedsheets/shower curtain/backpack, we were part of the Star Wars Fan Club (and wrote adoring letters to the cast/crew of the movies), we went to the conventions when we were older (I've been able to meet all kinds of wonderful people many who are still my friends to this day), we got married with a Star Wars theme to mark the special occasion, we raised our children with Star Wars, we bought and rebought the different sets of the original movies on the various formats, etc. We were also elated in 2012 when it it was announced there would be new Star Wars movies and that the original characters/actors were being brought back...then that enthusiasm turned to shock, frustration, and anger at how the characters were handled. You see...40 years before there was even a thought of Rey/Finn/Poe, there was a farm boy who met two Droids and set out on an adventure. He, Han, Leia, Chewbacca, and the Droids were our heroes. We knew them like a longtime friends or loving family members. We knew what they would and wouldn't do under different scenarios... That farm boy did not get his due in Episodes 7-8. Nor did the other original characters. That is why people are angry. That is why people are not "getting over it". We aren't harassing the cast/crew of these movies. We are voicing our dissatisfaction with what Disney is doing to our beloved characters/stories. We're the customer, and just like any other customer who purchases a product, we'll leave reviews and warn others to steer clear when we find the product to be inferior to the quality we have come to expect after 40 years. So quit lumping the two in the same category. Stop calling us misogynists and racists. The Star Wars movies are full of powerful and distinct minority characters. We love them all from Princess Leia to Mace Windu. The issues with Disney Star Wars has nothing to do with the presentation of minorities but the presentation of mediocrity and shit writing. It's disgraceful how Disney has treated the fandom. It pisses me off because I think of all those wonderful people I've met over the years at the conventions. We were a community long before Disney. Without our support for 40 years, there wouldn't be a franchise for them to buy. Disney will get no more money from me until they change their ways.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 10, 2018 22:03:23 GMT
I guess they should tteat people who call them racial and sexist slurs, and threaten to kill them, with more respect. Shame on them. You repeatedly keep putting two different groups under the same category. Internet trolls are just that - they exist to cyberbully others. They play Devil's Advocate just to hurl nasty words/thoughts at others. All they're after is spreading hate. Longtime Star Wars fans are a different group. We're the ones who supported the original movies when they were in theaters (repeatedly going back to see them again and again), we sent away for the first Star Wars figurine boxset in hopes of gettin them soon after Christmas, we grew up viewing the movies on VHS, we wore the costumes for Halloween, we had the Star Wars bedsheets/shower curtain/backpack, we were part of the Star Wars Fan Club (and wrote adoring letters to the cast/crew of the movies), we went to the conventions when we were older (I've been able to meet all kinds of wonderful people many who are still my friends to this day), we got married with a Star Wars theme to mark the special occasion, we raised our children with Star Wars, we bought and rebought the different sets of the original movies on the various formats, etc. We were also elated in 2012 when it it was announced there would be new Star Wars movies and that the original characters/actors were being brought back...then that enthusiasm turned to shock, frustration, and anger at how the characters were handled. You see...40 years before there was even a thought of Rey/Finn/Poe, there was a farm boy who met two Droids and set out on an adventure. He, Han, Leia, Chewbacca, and the Droids were our heroes. We knew them like a longtime friends or loving family members. We knew what they would and wouldn't do under different scenarios... That farm boy did not get his due in Episodes 7-8. Nor did the other original characters. That is why people are angry. That is why people are not "getting over it". We aren't harassing the cast/crew of these movies. We are voicing our dissatisfaction with what Disney is doing to our beloved characters/stories. We're the customer, and just like any other customer who purchases a product, we'll leave reviews and warn others to steer clear when we find the product to be inferior to the quality we have come to expect after 40 years. So quit lumping the two in the same category. Stop calling us misogynists and racists. The Star Wars movies are full of powerful and distinct minority characters. We love them all from Princess Leia to Mace Windu. The issues with Disney Star Wars has nothing to do with the presentation of minorities but the presentation of mediocrity and shit writing. It's disgraceful how Disney has treated the fandom. It pisses me off because I think of all those wonderful people I've met over the years at the conventions. We were a community long before Disney. Without our support for 40 years, there wouldn't be a franchise for them to buy. Disney will get no more money from me until they change their ways.
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Post by rateater on Jul 11, 2018 3:25:24 GMT
george lucas is the man.
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 11, 2018 19:48:11 GMT
Lucas took the high road, eh? opera creator hopes Disney and JJ Abrams won’t turn The Force ‘into a bunch of gobbledegook’ – and says Jar Jar Binks is his favourite character
Yeah, he's a real saint. What was with the clips? I didn't particularly agree with the Hayden inclusion in Episode 6 as it seems odd Anakin would be presented as young while Yoda and Obi-Wan are both still old...especially since Anakin died/redeemed himself when he was old too. In terms of what Lucas said, he wasn't disrespectful of fans. He wasn't nasty towards the fandom like Disney has decided to do specifically since the release of Episode 8. All he said is that it wasn't fun for him anymore and he decided not to do it anymore. He didn't call anyone a racist or a misogynist. He didn't say they had no taste or that they should look at seeking therapy. He didn't say any of that. As the OP mentioned, he just defended his decisions with his movies. I didn't always agree with those decisions he made, but he wasn't hurting anyone with horrible accusations. It's not the same thing. He took the high ground. Why would he add "Nooo"? Why would Anakin suddenly be young? He did it to piss off fans. It was what, the 4th versions of the movie? It's to anger fans. Don't be naive. Christ, look at his quotes. He mopes whenever people don't love whatever he produces.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 11, 2018 20:49:42 GMT
you will find this argument and a generally growing Georg Lucas nostalgia a lot on the net these days.
This to be honest is well deserved. Mr Lucas was a old school gentleman, entrepreneurial pater familias and founding father.
He was sometimes as whiny as Luke and Anakin, and just as stubborn and uncompromising when bullied by fandom to give up his dramatic license and artistic integrity. And he should be admired for that, even if you do not agree with him.
He seems like saint vis-a-vis the current crop of hacks, amateurs and un-professionals that plague Lucasfilm today. They don't make 'em like that anymore.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 12, 2018 0:59:34 GMT
Why would he add "Nooo"? Why would Anakin suddenly be young? He did it to piss off fans. It was what, the 4th versions of the movie? It's to anger fans. Don't be naive. Christ, look at his quotes. He mopes whenever people don't love whatever he produces. You think so, huh? I don't know. I think George Lucas just loved technology and loved being able to tweak his movies to be closer to his original vision. Unfortunately for him, he was limited based on money and what they were able to do in the 70's. After all, there's only so much a person can do with old footage. I do think he would have enjoyed life more if he had gotten into video production/editing instead of being a director/writer. I also think he was overly obsessive, having spent decades tediously editing the same trilogy instead of creating very many new projects. It was his life to spend how he wanted though. George Lucas wasn't perfect. I did not like or agree with all his choices. However, he didn't mock and insult his audiences. He did get frustrated with them at times but he remained tight-lipped until he decided to sell to Disney. When asked why he was selling, that's when he said what you linked in that article. Disney's Star Wars is a completely different animal now...
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 12, 2018 1:22:35 GMT
Well Lucas did try to say that SW fans who criticized the Phantom Menace as juvenile were unaware that the specific audience for Star Wars was 7 or so. But this contradicts Lucas saying that he expected SW to do a Planet of the Apes kind of business-which was 13 and up. The difference is that the media did not shield him from criticism. Disney shields Johnson from criticism by blaming the fans.
Star Wars was always Liberal--it took time to dial it up--and making Luke a white man failure was just too much of an overt political message.
Propaganda is better utilized if it is entertaining and subtle.
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 12, 2018 15:10:04 GMT
Why would he add "Nooo"? Why would Anakin suddenly be young? He did it to piss off fans. It was what, the 4th versions of the movie? It's to anger fans. Don't be naive. Christ, look at his quotes. He mopes whenever people don't love whatever he produces. You think so, huh? I don't know. I think George Lucas just loved technology and loved being able to tweak his movies to be closer to his original vision. Unfortunately for him, he was limited based on money and what they were able to do in the 70's. After all, there's only so much a person can do with old footage. I do think he would have enjoyed life more if he had gotten into video production/editing instead of being a director/writer. I also think he was overly obsessive, having spent decades tediously editing the same trilogy instead of creating very many new projects. It was his life to spend how he wanted though. George Lucas wasn't perfect. I did not like or agree with all his choices. However, he didn't mock and insult his audiences. He did get frustrated with them at times but he remained tight-lipped until he decided to sell to Disney. When asked why he was selling, that's when he said what you linked in that article. Disney's Star Wars is a completely different animal now... I think that's what started as, but as time went on he was doing it just to annoy people.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 31, 2018 20:55:56 GMT
These are the punches George Lucas rolled with...
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 1, 2018 4:12:23 GMT
These are the punches George Lucas rolled with...
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 11, 2019 22:21:42 GMT
I refuse to believe his editing of "Noooooo!" into the Return of the Jedi bluray wasn't a direct middle finger to people who didn't like the prequels.
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