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Post by hobowar on Jul 8, 2018 21:03:50 GMT
If you really like or have any respect for the DC characters, why would you be praising Zack Snyder or acting like he's a competent storyteller? It's fine if you hate Marvel or whatever, but acting like Batman v Superman was some kind of underappreciated masterpiece is just giving WB a licence to crank out more garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 21:15:43 GMT
I have never praised Zack Snyder.
I don`t hate Marvel i like Marvel and i like DC. But i will admit that i do prefer DC over Marvel
I have never acted or claimed that Batman v Superman is some kind of underappreciated masterpiece.
But the World finest episode from Superman The Animated series which was a crossover between Superman and Batman in 1997 that was and still is a masterpiece.
That is all i have to say about this subject
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Post by hobowar on Jul 8, 2018 21:30:18 GMT
I have never praised Zack Snyder. I don`t hate Marvel i like Marvel and i like DC. But i will admit that i do prefer DC over Marvel I have never acted or claimed that Batman v Superman is some kind of underappreciated masterpiece. But the World finest episode from Superman The Animated series which was a crossover between Superman and Batman in 1997 that was and still is a masterpiece. That is all i have to say about this subject I'm not talking about ALL DC fans, but a lot of the ones you see online do a lot of the things I mentioned.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jul 8, 2018 21:38:03 GMT
Well, I’ll take the bait, hobowar. I thought Batman v Superman, while imperfect, a very effective work of imagery and imagination, with an intriguing philosophical foundation, man vs. god, that differentiated it from the majority of summer blockbusters. There’s this marvellous sequence early on that shows Batman’s origin story with just an economy of images and an equally good one in which Batman imagines that Superman may become a dictator. In my praising “sequences,” moreover, I wonder if that is the element that the picture’s supporters most praise and that its detractors most criticize: it works in sequences rather than as a whole, much like the similarly operatic Bram Stoker’s Dracula. (There are actually a large number of similarities between that movie and this.) Surprisingly, I also appreciated its realism; it cleverly keeps Superman and Batman as comic book characters but gives verisimilitude to the world around them (and the whole Congressional investigation bit rings true to life: if Superman were real and were a big blue boy scout, this is still how he probably would be treated in our ever-politicized and -polarized world). It’s a pretty neat trick. All in all, I see Batman v Superman as flawed but fascinating—and a welcome surprise. I wouldn’t call myself a fan of the DCEU—I thought Man of Steel overly dull, gloomy, and somber and Justice League a cartoony mess—but I found Wonder Woman and Batman v Superman impressive works of visual storytelling.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 8, 2018 21:55:49 GMT
I don't know many who called BvS a masterpiece.
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Post by NormanClature on Jul 8, 2018 22:55:55 GMT
Very few DC fans will defend BvS. Most know it's garbage. I'm not sure why you think most DC fans defend it. Because they did defend it. They may not defend it so vociferously now since the hysteria wore off a while back. Think back to when the movie was released. The hyperbole was insane. It was as though many of them had seen a different movie to the rest of the planet.
My particular favorite was this guy who was one of the first to see BvS and typed his reaction to the movie from his car, having just left the theater. He claimed to be shaking and in tears, such was the brilliance of the movie. A couple of months later, having changed his screen name, he was caught on another message board telling everyone what a horrible disappointing the movie had been. Go figure.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 8, 2018 23:09:51 GMT
I have never praised Zack Snyder. I don`t hate Marvel i like Marvel and i like DC. But i will admit that i do prefer DC over Marvel I have never acted or claimed that Batman v Superman is some kind of underappreciated masterpiece. But the World finest episode from Superman The Animated series which was a crossover between Superman and Batman in 1997 that was and still is a masterpiece. That is all i have to say about this subject I'm more on the side of the animated versions of the movies. I liked the World's Finest episodes on both The Batman and the Animated Series. I liked the Justice League Throne of Atlantis and hope that the Aquaman movie is better (looks like the same story). It's like they are seeing if people would like the animated versions of these stories before they do a live action.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 23:28:40 GMT
I have never praised Zack Snyder. I don`t hate Marvel i like Marvel and i like DC. But i will admit that i do prefer DC over Marvel I have never acted or claimed that Batman v Superman is some kind of underappreciated masterpiece. But the World finest episode from Superman The Animated series which was a crossover between Superman and Batman in 1997 that was and still is a masterpiece. That is all i have to say about this subject I'm more on the side of the animated versions of the movies. Same here
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Post by politicidal on Jul 9, 2018 16:26:37 GMT
ThatGuy it's always puzzled me that they never really took a que from their animated movies. Most of them have been either pretty solid or downright good.
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Post by spooner5020 on Jul 10, 2018 13:07:12 GMT
This was the same on facebook.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 11, 2018 12:03:31 GMT
Look Hoby, to each their own, no reason to explore personal incredulities. You like dialogue about
- superheroes starting to clobber because of their mommies, I like them overcoming differences because of their mommies.
- "hiding the zucchini" in sterilized women feeling like "monsters"; I like "If God is all-powerful he cannot be all-good, and if he is all-good he cannot be all-powerfull".
- squishy raccoon turds put in pillows, or women not believing in themselves unless the man believes in them. I like dialogue about the ambiguous duality of the human soul and that only love can save the world.
All comic book movies are created trivial, but some are created more trivial than others.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jul 11, 2018 20:32:26 GMT
Well, I’ll take the bait, hobowar . I thought Batman v Superman, while imperfect, a very effective work of imagery and imagination, with an intriguing philosophical foundation, man vs. god, that differentiated it from the majority of summer blockbusters. There’s this marvellous sequence early on that shows Batman’s origin story with just an economy of images and an equally good one in which Batman imagines that Superman may become a dictator. In my praising “sequences,” moreover, I wonder if that is the element that the picture’s supporters most praise and that its detractors most criticize: it works in sequences rather than as a whole, much like the similarly operatic Bram Stoker’s Dracula. (There are actually a large number of similarities between that movie and this.) Surprisingly, I also appreciated its realism; it cleverly keeps Superman and Batman as comic book characters but gives verisimilitude to the world around them (and the whole Congressional investigation bit rings true to life: if Superman were real and were a big blue boy scout, this is still how he probably would be treated in our ever-politicized and -polarized world). It’s a pretty neat trick. All in all, I see Batman v Superman as flawed but fascinating—and a welcome surprise. I wouldn’t call myself a fan of the DCEU—I thought Man of Steel overly dull, gloomy, and somber and Justice League a cartoony mess—but I found Wonder Woman and Batman v Superman impressive works of visual storytelling.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jul 11, 2018 20:39:42 GMT
If you really like or have any respect for the DC characters, why would you be praising Zack Snyder or acting like he's a competent storyteller? It's fine if you hate Marvel or whatever, but acting like Batman v Superman was some kind of underappreciated masterpiece is just giving WB a licence to crank out more garbage.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jul 12, 2018 16:55:24 GMT
I don't know if anyone's told you this yet but your meme game has been on point and it hasn't gone unnoticed. I appreciate the effort lol.
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Post by leesilm on Jul 17, 2018 5:45:50 GMT
Well, I’ll take the bait, hobowar . I thought Batman v Superman, while imperfect, a very effective work of imagery and imagination, with an intriguing philosophical foundation, man vs. god, that differentiated it from the majority of summer blockbusters. There’s this marvellous sequence early on that shows Batman’s origin story with just an economy of images and an equally good one in which Batman imagines that Superman may become a dictator. In my praising “sequences,” moreover, I wonder if that is the element that the picture’s supporters most praise and that its detractors most criticize: it works in sequences rather than as a whole, much like the similarly operatic Bram Stoker’s Dracula. (There are actually a large number of similarities between that movie and this.) Surprisingly, I also appreciated its realism; it cleverly keeps Superman and Batman as comic book characters but gives verisimilitude to the world around them (and the whole Congressional investigation bit rings true to life: if Superman were real and were a big blue boy scout, this is still how he probably would be treated in our ever-politicized and -polarized world). It’s a pretty neat trick. All in all, I see Batman v Superman as flawed but fascinating—and a welcome surprise. I wouldn’t call myself a fan of the DCEU—I thought Man of Steel overly dull, gloomy, and somber and Justice League a cartoony mess—but I found Wonder Woman and Batman v Superman impressive works of visual storytelling. First off - I love the SAT words, thank you for bringing them to the board! Second - I agree with almost everything here. Especially the polarized world treating Superman as seen in the film and the whole first paragraph. The whole man v. god/philosophical questioning was really interesting, and something I'm not sure had been much-tackled in this form, before Snyder took a whack at it. Honestly, while the movie is far from perfect, I think some of the flack it took was because Snyder expected people to bring too much of their brains to the theatre. He made a thinking man's comic book, not just a bunch of flashy images, banter, cool one-liners, and some explosions to keep the 13yr olds happy. He actually wanted you to think, though he could be a little heavy handed at times (a memorable example, the image of Jesus in the garden the night before he's arrested, over Clark's shoulder in MAN OF STEEL just before he hands himself over to Zod) with his imagery.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 17, 2018 20:03:02 GMT
They're not DC fans and they haven't deluded themselves. A real DC fan wouldn't like Bat-Punisher and SuperRand. And if their baffling love for it weren't genuine, they wouldn't be demanding a "Snyder cut" of the far more inoffensive Justice League. These are edgelord teens and manchildren who need validation for liking movies where guys in tights punch each other. You can see that here with the guy suggesting the people who didn't like it are 13. On the contrary, if you're 13, you're gonna lap up something that's, like, so dark, bro. And of course something that pays lip service to seemingly intelligent ideas but without having anything to actually say. It makes you feel like you're thinking, without actually thinking. What could be better?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 17, 2018 20:48:07 GMT
They're not DC fans and they haven't deluded themselves. A real DC fan wouldn't like Bat-Punisher and SuperRand. And if their baffling love for it weren't genuine, they wouldn't be demanding a "Snyder cut" of the far more inoffensive Justice League. These are edgelord teens and manchildren who need validation for liking movies where guys in tights punch each other. You can see that here with the guy suggesting the people who didn't like it are 13. On the contrary, if you're 13, you're gonna lap up something that's, like, so dark, bro. And of course something that pays lip service to seemingly intelligent ideas but without having anything to actually say. It makes you feel like you're thinking, without actually thinking. What could be better? Those are some broad assumptions, don’t you think?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 17, 2018 22:09:42 GMT
They're not DC fans and they haven't deluded themselves. A real DC fan wouldn't like Bat-Punisher and SuperRand. And if their baffling love for it weren't genuine, they wouldn't be demanding a "Snyder cut" of the far more inoffensive Justice League. These are edgelord teens and manchildren who need validation for liking movies where guys in tights punch each other. You can see that here with the guy suggesting the people who didn't like it are 13. On the contrary, if you're 13, you're gonna lap up something that's, like, so dark, bro. And of course something that pays lip service to seemingly intelligent ideas but without having anything to actually say. It makes you feel like you're thinking, without actually thinking. What could be better? Those are some broad assumptions, don’t you think? What am I "assuming"? My statements are based on two years of observing BvS fans, including ones in this thread.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 18, 2018 1:50:24 GMT
Those are some broad assumptions, don’t you think? What am I "assuming"? My statements are based on two years of observing BvS fans, including ones in this thread. That sounds like an assumption.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 18, 2018 3:33:29 GMT
What am I "assuming"? My statements are based on two years of observing BvS fans, including ones in this thread. That sounds like an assumption. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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