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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 13, 2018 14:49:20 GMT
I agree but unfortunately that's how it works in fandoms now a days. And to be fair its not just Star Wars too. Marvel, DC, Pokemon, Doctor Who, Supernatural, Steven Universe, Star Trek, various video games and anime. It's everywhere. There's passionate fans who aren't toxic but theres a lot that are so passionate that it turns them hostile. Some even feel like they're entitled to have something go they want, be it a romantic shipping or plot point. But it goes both ways as well with creators, especially ones who feel like their shit don't stink. You guys really need to learn to seperate Twitter and Facebook from real life. How big is a problem if the click of an ignore button can end it? There has always been and always will be jerks and assholes. That’s part of free speech. You have free speech you’re going to hear things you don’t personally like. But whining about “toxic” fans? That’s your big problem? You don’t have to interact with them, or see them, or listen to them. If you find someone “toxic” (has a word ever been so overused?) ....just stay away from them. Ignore them. Problem solved. but if someone like Johnson is going to insult fans how do you expect fans to react? “Thank you sir may I have another?” It’s just like Paul Fieg or Jessica Price. They attack and insult fans then want to whine about “toxic fans”or misogyny”? Give me a break. This goes beyond Twitter and Facebook. Toxic fans do exist in all corners of the internet. I don't see a problem with calling asshole fans out on their bullshit. But I also don't have a problem with fans calling out the toxic behavior of the people who work on what ever the property is (see the criticism of the douchebag Rian Johnson) As far as I'm concerned, both sides are fair game.
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Post by jimanchower on Jul 13, 2018 14:58:09 GMT
You guys really need to learn to seperate Twitter and Facebook from real life. How big is a problem if the click of an ignore button can end it? There has always been and always will be jerks and assholes. That’s part of free speech. You have free speech you’re going to hear things you don’t personally like. But whining about “toxic” fans? That’s your big problem? You don’t have to interact with them, or see them, or listen to them. If you find someone “toxic” (has a word ever been so overused?) ....just stay away from them. Ignore them. Problem solved. but if someone like Johnson is going to insult fans how do you expect fans to react? “Thank you sir may I have another?” It’s just like Paul Fieg or Jessica Price. They attack and insult fans then want to whine about “toxic fans”or misogyny”? Give me a break. This goes beyond Twitter and Facebook. Toxic fans do exist in all corners of the internet. I don't see a problem with calling asshole fans out on their bullshit. But I also don't have a problem with fans calling out the toxic behavior of the people who work on what ever the property is (see the criticism of the douchebag Rian Johnson) As far as I'm concerned, both sides are fair game. I don’t see a problem with calling anyone “out”. But whining about “toxic” fans nonstop? Talking about “death threats” because some 13 YO said “I hope you die in a fire” to you on Twitter. Its dumb. Johnson brought the reaction he got on himself. i see now that the media is even using George Lucas as an example of a “victim” of “toxic fans” because of the backlash he got. What they don’t mention is Lucas dig his heels in and acted like a child when criticized over the PT and his making the OT unavailable. Remember his “it’s my house” speech? All Lucas would have to have done is maje the SE and original version of the OT available but he refused to. when famous people act like jerks....and get a reaction....it’s not “toxicity”, it’s people reacting to a jerk. If you want to try to regulate all the 13 YO trolls or mentally unstable people on the Internet knock yourself out but a better policy would be to act like an adult and learn that just because someone tells you to “die” on Twitter it’s not a real death threat.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 13, 2018 15:34:26 GMT
This goes beyond Twitter and Facebook. Toxic fans do exist in all corners of the internet. I don't see a problem with calling asshole fans out on their bullshit. But I also don't have a problem with fans calling out the toxic behavior of the people who work on what ever the property is (see the criticism of the douchebag Rian Johnson) As far as I'm concerned, both sides are fair game. I don’t see a problem with calling anyone “out”. But whining about “toxic” fans nonstop? Talking about “death threats” because some 13 YO said “I hope you die in a fire” to you on Twitter. Its dumb. Johnson brought the reaction he got on himself. i see now that the media is even using George Lucas as an example of a “victim” of “toxic fans” because of the backlash he got. What they don’t mention is Lucas dig his heels in and acted like a child when criticized over the PT and his making the OT unavailable. Remember his “it’s my house” speech? All Lucas would have to have done is maje the SE and original version of the OT available but he refused to. when famous people act like jerks....and get a reaction....it’s not “toxicity”, it’s people reacting to a jerk. If you want to try to regulate all the 13 YO trolls or mentally unstable people on the Internet knock yourself out but a better policy would be to act like an adult and learn that just because someone tells you to “die” on Twitter it’s not a real death threat. It's fair game to me. Both groups have acted like shitty entitled people, so fuck both of them. They may have freedom of speech, but freedom of speech doesn't come with a dental plan.
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Post by jimanchower on Jul 13, 2018 15:37:09 GMT
I don’t see a problem with calling anyone “out”. But whining about “toxic” fans nonstop? Talking about “death threats” because some 13 YO said “I hope you die in a fire” to you on Twitter. Its dumb. Johnson brought the reaction he got on himself. i see now that the media is even using George Lucas as an example of a “victim” of “toxic fans” because of the backlash he got. What they don’t mention is Lucas dig his heels in and acted like a child when criticized over the PT and his making the OT unavailable. Remember his “it’s my house” speech? All Lucas would have to have done is maje the SE and original version of the OT available but he refused to. when famous people act like jerks....and get a reaction....it’s not “toxicity”, it’s people reacting to a jerk. If you want to try to regulate all the 13 YO trolls or mentally unstable people on the Internet knock yourself out but a better policy would be to act like an adult and learn that just because someone tells you to “die” on Twitter it’s not a real death threat. It's fair game to me. Both groups have acted like shitty entitled people, so fuck both of them. They may have freedom of speech, but freedom of speech doesn't come with a dental plan. Freedom of speech doesn’t come with a dental plan? Oy vey.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 13, 2018 16:57:09 GMT
It's fair game to me. Both groups have acted like shitty entitled people, so fuck both of them. They may have freedom of speech, but freedom of speech doesn't come with a dental plan. Freedom of speech doesn’t come with a dental plan? Oy vey. Yeah that post was dramatic. Look, kayfeb aside I don't like the current drama going on with the whole Rian Johnson vs fans. It's dumb and stupid, he made a bad movie it happens all the time. Hell it's not the only bad Star Wars film. But unfortunately that's how it works now. The only thing we can hope for is this all to die out. I just remembered that Rian Johnson is bringing Gamergate into this, so this won't die anytime soon. Fuck.
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Post by jimanchower on Jul 13, 2018 17:04:35 GMT
Freedom of speech doesn’t come with a dental plan? Oy vey. Yeah that post was dramatic. Look, kayfeb aside I don't like the current drama going on with the whole Rian Johnson vs fans. It's dumb and stupid, he made a bad movie it happens all the time. Hell it's not the only bad Star Wars film. But unfortunately that's how it works now. The only thing we can hope for is this all to die out. I just remembered that Rian Johnson is bringing Gamergate into this, so this won't die anytime soon. Fuck. He didn’t just make a bad movie, he and Kennedy Aldo inserted SJW identity politics into it, then attacked fans for not liking it. if he had just kept his mouth shut he wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near the backlash he did, but these SJW types just can’t help themselves. It’s alsays the fans that are the “bigots”, “misogynists”, “manbabies”, “basement dwelling losers” etc. look at Fieg....that jackass went so far as to attack fans literally in his film. Then they whine and complain about backlash or “toxic fans”, sorry unlike Johnson and Fieg fans don’t have a 200 million budget to get their politics and points across....they have to do it on Twitter.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 13, 2018 18:22:29 GMT
Yeah that post was dramatic. Look, kayfeb aside I don't like the current drama going on with the whole Rian Johnson vs fans. It's dumb and stupid, he made a bad movie it happens all the time. Hell it's not the only bad Star Wars film. But unfortunately that's how it works now. The only thing we can hope for is this all to die out. I just remembered that Rian Johnson is bringing Gamergate into this, so this won't die anytime soon. Fuck. He didn’t just make a bad movie, he and Kennedy Aldo inserted SJW identity politics into it, then attacked fans for not liking it. if he had just kept his mouth shut he wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near the backlash he did, but these SJW types just can’t help themselves. It’s alsays the fans that are the “bigots”, “misogynists”, “manbabies”, “basement dwelling losers” etc. look at Fieg....that jackass went so far as to attack fans literally in his film. Then they whine and complain about backlash or “toxic fans”, sorry unlike Johnson and Fieg fans don’t have a 200 million budget to get their politics and points across....they have to do it on Twitter. He made a bad movie with politics that obviously you guys don't agree with. But if The Last Jedi was a anti-sjw film I'm sure you guys wouldn't have cared. Hell some of you would probably be bragging about how it's "dropping the red pills!!11" Johnson is a hypocrite because he's just a big of a manbaby as any of the crying fanbase. As for fiege, well it backfired on him. The film didn't make as much as Sony wanted and even Dan akroyd said fiege not coming back for a sequel.
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Post by jimanchower on Jul 13, 2018 18:42:05 GMT
He didn’t just make a bad movie, he and Kennedy Aldo inserted SJW identity politics into it, then attacked fans for not liking it. if he had just kept his mouth shut he wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near the backlash he did, but these SJW types just can’t help themselves. It’s alsays the fans that are the “bigots”, “misogynists”, “manbabies”, “basement dwelling losers” etc. look at Fieg....that jackass went so far as to attack fans literally in his film. Then they whine and complain about backlash or “toxic fans”, sorry unlike Johnson and Fieg fans don’t have a 200 million budget to get their politics and points across....they have to do it on Twitter. He made a bad movie with politics that obviously you guys don't agree with. But if The Last Jedi was a anti-sjw film I'm sure you guys wouldn't have cared. Hell some of you would probably be bragging about how it's "dropping the red pills!!11" Johnson is a hypocrite because he's just a big of a manbaby as any of the crying fanbase. As for fiege, well it backfired on him. The film didn't make as much as Sony wanted and even Dan akroyd said fiege not coming back for a sequel. No, people don’t go to SW movies to be lectured on politics dude. If Johnson invented his own universe and put his politics in in it, good for him. Taking SW and doing that? It’s going to create a backlash and he got it. And the reality is he didn’t make an anti SJW movie so why are you acting like you know how people would react if he did? i mean, some of “who”? People who don’t like ridiculous politics shoved down our throats? go watch ESB and let me know if there’s any politics or if it’s just a movie made to entertain EVERYBODY.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 13, 2018 20:02:41 GMT
He made a bad movie with politics that obviously you guys don't agree with. But if The Last Jedi was a anti-sjw film I'm sure you guys wouldn't have cared. Hell some of you would probably be bragging about how it's "dropping the red pills!!11" Johnson is a hypocrite because he's just a big of a manbaby as any of the crying fanbase. As for fiege, well it backfired on him. The film didn't make as much as Sony wanted and even Dan akroyd said fiege not coming back for a sequel. No, people don’t go to SW movies to be lectured on politics dude. If Johnson invented his own universe and put his politics in in it, good for him. Taking SW and doing that? It’s going to create a backlash and he got it. And the reality is he didn’t make an anti SJW movie so why are you acting like you know how people would react if he did? i mean, some of “who”? People who don’t like ridiculous politics shoved down our throats? go watch ESB and let me know if there’s any politics or if it’s just a movie made to entertain EVERYBODY. The prequel trilogy was political and the original trilogy was basically "Space Nazi's bad, multi racial/species rebellion good" Basically what the new trilogy is only this time the rebels were able to recruit more women this time. True it wasn't a anti-sjw film, but looking at the large portion of the fans who hate the new films seem to parrot anti-sjw talking points... well I don't think it's unrealistic to assume that they wouldn't care if the film was anti-sjw.
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Post by jimanchower on Jul 13, 2018 20:12:27 GMT
No, people don’t go to SW movies to be lectured on politics dude. If Johnson invented his own universe and put his politics in in it, good for him. Taking SW and doing that? It’s going to create a backlash and he got it. And the reality is he didn’t make an anti SJW movie so why are you acting like you know how people would react if he did? i mean, some of “who”? People who don’t like ridiculous politics shoved down our throats? go watch ESB and let me know if there’s any politics or if it’s just a movie made to entertain EVERYBODY. The prequel trilogy was political and the original trilogy was basically "Space Nazi's bad, multi racial/species rebellion good" Basically what the new trilogy is only this time the rebels were able to recruit more women this time. True it wasn't a anti-sjw film, but looking at the large portion of the fans who hate the new films seem to parrot anti-sjw talking points... well I don't think it's unrealistic to assume that they wouldn't care if the film was anti-sjw. The PT was about politics but it didn’t preach politics. It was about a federation of planets fighting a war dude. The difference is a movie that has basic politics in it because that’s part of the story and a movie that preaches politics based on real life. Lucas also created SW so it wasn’t like he was taking someone else’s Universe and putting his own politics in it. The OT was just good guys VS bad. Not political at all. The new films don’t “seem” to do anything, they’re pushing SJW politics, no “seem” about it. SJW politics+awful film+A director who insults fans=backlash. It’s not rocket science or hard to figure out.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 13, 2018 21:23:38 GMT
The prequel trilogy was political and the original trilogy was basically "Space Nazi's bad, multi racial/species rebellion good" Basically what the new trilogy is only this time the rebels were able to recruit more women this time. True it wasn't a anti-sjw film, but looking at the large portion of the fans who hate the new films seem to parrot anti-sjw talking points... well I don't think it's unrealistic to assume that they wouldn't care if the film was anti-sjw. The PT was about politics but it didn’t preach politics. It was about a federation of planets fighting a war dude. The difference is a movie that has basic politics in it because that’s part of the story and a movie that preaches politics based on real life. Lucas also created SW so it wasn’t like he was taking someone else’s Universe and putting his own politics in it. The OT was just good guys VS bad. Not political at all. The new films don’t “seem” to do anything, they’re pushing SJW politics, no “seem” about it. SJW politics+awful film+A director who insults fans=backlash. It’s not rocket science or hard to figure out. It's been awhile since I've watched the prequel but I remember people making comparison to the bush administration. Maybe that's just it! It's about the interpretation of the films politics. Maybe that's why I didn't see a Anti-Trump propaganda in Rogue One that conservatives claimed. George Lucas created it, true. But it's not political free and it's no longer Under Lucas control. So all I can recommend people to do is not pay for anything Disney SW related. I completely agree with you on how Johnson responded to the criticism. He either should have ignore it or acted more professional. But he's a grown man and he made his choice. The way I see it is both are responsible for blowing this up but this is the internet after all. The internet thrives off of drama.
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Post by Flynn on Jul 24, 2018 4:19:27 GMT
Before anyone comments, I’m not saying that disliking his movie is a problem. I just think the way that fans have been acting as though he’s the anti-Christ of Star Wars who deserves to have his career thrown in a dumpster is ridiculous. He’s just some guy who directed a movie that a lot of fans didn’t like. I’m not calling out any specific posters around here, but I should just point out that James Mangold has a point. The Star Wars fandom is so full of toxic individuals that it’s a wonder that anyone is still willing to work on these movies. And no, this isn’t a race or sex thing. I am not accusing each and every person who dislikes TLJ of being a bigoted pig, and contrary to what some might believe, that’s not what Rian Johnson has claimed either. He’s called out the fans who have chosen to harass people like him and Kelly Marie Tran, not the critics of TLJ as a whole. Let’s face it, the Star Wars franchise does indeed have some very toxic fans, and I’m not even referring to the accusations of racism and misogyny. For the record, I don’t care for Rian Johnson. I just think the level of hatred that is directed towards him is annoying at best, and downright creepy at worst. Edit: I suppose I should once again explain that I did not make this post because I was trying to call out anyone on this site. I was not suggesting that the people here were creeps, I was merely arguing that the way certain other people have been obsessing over Rian Johnson for making a movie they hate is ridiculous. It was never my intention to insult anyone here. Anyway, I’ll edit the title of the thread. I think it's largely because people are upset. Rian Johnson deliberately set out to make a different kind of Star Wars film, an act that thwarted a lot of expectations, and when expectations are not met, people get frustrated and angry. We should also bear in mind, though, that Johnson didn't just make a different kind of Star Wars film, he explicitly told all Star Wars fans in that film to discard everything they held dear about the film franchise. That's ballsy. And it could have worked if he had made a Great film, but he didn't. He made a film full of Franken-exposition designed to link mostly unsatisfying set pieces. Concepts got the better of his writing. I agree that some people have gone too far, way too far in some cases. But I also think you have to keep in mind how catastrophically bad this new trilogy is. Some aspects of the new films are nice, but we've mostly received recycled pieces from the old films dressed in new clothes. Meanwhile, it seems like every obvious narrative choice has been deliberately avoided. This new trilogy just doesn't make sense, and it's frustrating to see a world we love be so mistreated. And what makes it worse is that there are no do-overs. It's done. We can't get this trilogy back, ever. Fischer is dead in real life, and the other two lead characters from the original films are dead on screen. That's bad. It's hard to believe anyone could have conceived this narrative world as a follow-up to Jedi. It's almost like Lucasfilm purposely set out to destroy this franchise. Of course they didn't, but it does seem like it with the choices they've made. This series is pretty easy to write. Just ask any 13-year old what they expect from the story, then write a good story that meets those expectations while offering some additional ideas that provide different and unexpected scenarios. Subverting expectations is not what this film series is about. And what makes it worse is that there doesn't seem to be anyone steering the ship. The trilogy should have been mapped out from the beginning, not left up to each director. So what I'm trying to say is that people are understandably upset, and that anger is seeking an outlet. It's making people lash out in ways that they shouldn't, but we must keep in mind that that anger is just seeking something to quell it. They are probably hoping that their actions will get Lucasfilm to produce better films. It doesn't absolve them of the horrible things they've said, but i do understand why the misbehavior is present.
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