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Post by Cody™ on Jul 13, 2018 13:46:55 GMT
The woman has been charged with attempted murder. Rightfully so. Of course, if she was a white man called, say, George Zimmerman, she wouldn't have much to worry about... LOL You had to go there didn’t you. You SJWs just cannot help yourselves. Yes, Phludowin, black people are more harshly treated and all white people get away with murder...sigh Feel better now?
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 13, 2018 13:54:01 GMT
captainbryce You made a claim, hardy a case. And no criticising Obama’s presidency and violent facist movements like BLM does not prove or make me a racist you certified imbecile. The hypocrisy of someone who criticizes “ad hominem” by both preemptively and responsively uses it. Oh, and yeah actually it does! Still waiting for some proper evidence... Okay, well while you “wait” we’ll just let everyone else judge. Then you can tabulate the results of how you are perceived. Reporting a story of a violent racist attack is racist now? Generally speaking no. But THIS thread is (as was your last one). But truth isn’t likely to alter your perception because you are willfully blind to it. You yourself are a demonstrated liar, who believes in not only your own lies, but things that are factually incorrect, and things for which there is no evidence to support. So ultimately it doesn’t matter what anyone shows you... No. I decided that her being a violent racist thug carrying out a cowardly attack was important to the story. By mentioning that she was “black”. The emphasis on her being black was to rubbish the stupid narrative the ultra left like to sell us about how minorities, particularly blacks, cannot be racist. But since that’s not actually a real narrative at all (but rather another RACIST, baseless attack which you just made up on your own without any evidence), then it does make you a racist. The reality is, her being black had nothing to do with the story until you made it important. So like I said...you’re a racist - and this is another example. I used CNN just in case little snowflakes like you and Lowtacks completely ignore the incident and whine about the source. And yet you both still found a way to bitch about it. Whatever reason you want to pass off to excuse your hypocrisy, at the end of the day, you’re a hypocrite using kettle logic. You presented an article that you claim should be considered as proof from a source that you consider fake. No Trump has not said the same thing this woman has. He actually has my friend, many times. Your double standards is very telling though. Ever since he was elected you’ve been hysterically crying about what a racist bigot he is. And here you are ignorantly dismissing a violent racist attack as “just a woman assaulting a man”(before you had the good sense to edit that arrogant statement out). This is why ultra liberals like yourself aren’t worth taking seriously LOL. And yet you desperately attempt to convince us to narrow racism down to your perspective anyway with threads like this. It’s not your story that I dismiss Cody. I see, understand, and acknowledge that CNN published an article about a woman who happens to be black that made racist comments. But that’s completely besides the point. It’s you and your false, racist narrative that I am dismissing! There’s a difference.
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Post by phludowin on Jul 13, 2018 13:57:40 GMT
The woman has been charged with attempted murder. Rightfully so. Of course, if she was a white man called, say, George Zimmerman, she wouldn't have much to worry about... LOL You had to go there didn’t you. You SJWs just cannot help yourselves. Yes, Phludowin, black people are more harshly treated and all white people get away with murder...sigh Feel better now? I knew my post would trigger you. I feel better knowing that crimes are punished.
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Post by thefleetsin on Jul 13, 2018 14:31:40 GMT
blacks can and are some of the most racist people on the planet.
just as christians are some of the most ignorant.
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Post by Cody™ on Jul 13, 2018 14:32:01 GMT
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 13, 2018 15:30:32 GMT
You evaded most of the points I’ve made on TWO separate threads now. So no evidence then? Gotcha. None needed after your comments on these two threads. So you say. However you’re still yet to reasonably demonstrate it. Like I said...not necessary. You’ve demonstrated it for me. But we’ll leave that to everyone else to judge. Yes I stated an objective fact. An irrelevant fact, introduced solely to evoke a race related argument where none existed before. That’s called being a RACIST! By that logic all those reports mentioning Dylann Roof as a “white supremist” are racist? Except that’s Dylan Roof being a white supremacist was relevant in determining what crimes he would inevitably be charged with (and the sentences that could be imposed). From a legal standpoint, roof being affiliated with white supremacy ultimately establishes his murder as a “hate crime”. These sources you’ve cited to not validate your claim. Actually, they make it look even more ridiculous. For one, these are isolated, opinion pieces, not widespread promotion of any ideas. Try to be consistent, if you want people to believe in this false narrative (that the left doesn’t believe that minorities can be racist), then show is some legitimate examples of left wing political movements, prominent political figures, or what you consider left wing media actually spreading this idea? Where is the CNN article (which is suddenly a legitimate news outlet) stating that many or most minorities or left wingers are promoting this idea? For that matter where is the CNN article (or any news article) making that claim themselves? Because if you don’t have either of those, then you don’t really have a case. Isolated, fringe elements with opinion pieces does not equate to a “narrative” by “the left”. And its completely dishonest to pretend that it does. And? Just because i believe CNN has been known to report fake news in the past does not mean I think everything they report is fake news you idiot. There’s this process known as “verification”. It’s pretty cool. No actually it’s pretty hypocritical, especially when there is no evidence that you do this. Because pretty much anything else they report that you consider “fake” because you disagree with it (or because Trump says so like he did again today), is also verifiable. So clearly you are very inconsistent with IF/WHEN things need to be verified before deciding whether they are fake or not. It seems evident that if it’s a story you like and want to use in an example, then we should consider it real. But when it runs counter to your narratives, then all of a sudden it’s fake. Actually you’re talking rubbish. There’s also a difference between Mexicans and ‘illegal immigrants’. That’s true, there is. Which is an astonishing fact that Donald Trump seems to have ignored when he accused an American judge of being impartial because he was of Mexican ancestry. But that’s the LEAST of examples of his racism. There are many more, much more obvious examples as well. And yet you haven’t shown that I’ve said or done anything inherently racist. So far all your attempts have failed miserably. I don’t need to Cody, just like you don’t need to show any evidence of God existing. You believe in God, just as I believe you’re a racist. There are many arguments I could make to support my belief, but that’s not something you are interested in, nor likely to engage in. It remains my belief (and I’m pretty sure many others on this forum) based on arguments you’ve made (including this one).
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Post by Cody™ on Jul 13, 2018 15:32:39 GMT
LOL You had to go there didn’t you. You SJWs just cannot help yourselves. Yes, Phludowin, black people are more harshly treated and all white people get away with murder...sigh Feel better now? I feel better knowing that crimes are punished. You could have just said that and spared us the other bs. Do you genuinely believe the only reason Zimmerman isn’t incarcerated today is because he’s white?
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Post by Cody™ on Jul 13, 2018 15:48:47 GMT
captainbryceI don’t see why it’s so much more relevant. At the end of the day Roof is a racist that killed black people. The lady in this news article is a racist that attacked a Mexican. Also are you tying to imply that what this woman did isn’t a “hate crime”?
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 13, 2018 16:31:09 GMT
Of course you wouldn't. And that's because you're trying to conflate and compare to completely different, unrelated things. At the end of the day Roof is a racist that killed black people. That fact was never in dispute. The question was why reports mentioned his affiliation to white supremacy, and why doing so was not in and of itself racist (since that was relevant to the charges). Nice goal post shift though. The lady in this news article is a racist that attacked a Mexican. That fact was also never in dispute. Also are you tying to imply that what this woman did isn’t a “hate crime”? No. That would be your straw man argument. My argument is that the article you cited didn't need to mention her race, because her race wasn't relevant to the story. You made her race relevant because you wanted to attack a straw man. The straw man was this notion that "black people can't be racist" is some sort of widely held ideology of the left (for which there is zero evidence of). Nobody on these boards (to my knowledge) has ever made this argument. No civil rights organization or leaders have ever made that argument. There are no political movements expressing that idea. And none of the major media outlets (that you associate with the left or right) have reported such a thing. You've posted a minority opinion from some fringe individuals, trying to pass that off as a position held by the left. It's a false narrative that YOU created (a racist one at that). You MAY have heard people suggesting that systemic racism is not a problem faced by white people as it is for minorities (because that is true). And you may have also heard that white privilege protects white people from racism in a way that it does not protect minorities (because that is also true). The fact that minorities are adversely affected by systemic racism in ways that white people are not is demonstrably true. That does not translate to "black people can't be racist"! It just means there is no systemic racism against white people. In addition, the woman pictured in the article isn't even mentioned as being a suspect, nor is the "victim's" claims verified. We don't know who she is, and the cops don't know who they are looking for. So far, we have one version of a STORY. We don't know WHO attacked him, why he was attacked, or even IF he was attacked. He doesn't even seem to speak English. So it's a very incomplete story so far that you seemed to have already determined positive identity, guilt, motive, etc. How about you let the actual investigators do their jobs BEFORE drawing conclusions that haven't been validated? Nobody has been charged with a crime, much less a hate crime yet. So comparing this to Dylann Roof who was guilty of hate crimes is ridiculous. If your intent was merely to point out that black people can be racist, fine. Nobody here has ever argued to the contrary. If your intent is to paint black people as violent thugs (which wouldn't surprise me), then its another example of your racism. And if your intent was to suggest that the liberal left denies that black people can be racist, then you have failed.
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Post by Cody™ on Jul 13, 2018 18:10:38 GMT
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 13, 2018 19:37:47 GMT
Nope. Straw man argument! My actual argument is that you decided to inform upon the race of an alleged attacker in a post in which you cite an article that doesn’t mention the race of an unknown, alleged attacker where a motive is unknown. If the article had called attention to the race of a known assailant and then you repeated what the article actually said, it’s not racist. The fact that you chose to make it about race ABSENT of such claims from the article you were citing makes you the racist! Especially when the crux of your argument is a false narrative about race that attacks a supposed liberal left position that doesn’t really exist. A 30 year old woman has been arrested. Name: Laquisha Jones. Race: African-American. Where is that written in the article?
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Post by Cody™ on Jul 13, 2018 20:00:28 GMT
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 13, 2018 20:21:25 GMT
captainbryce There is a photo of a black woman holding a brick which was taken by an eyewitness and the motive was clearly racism. Don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes to work that out. And yet despite this supposed obviousness, you still felt the need to further illustrate it for everyone by pointing out the race anyway, and then assuming motive for everyone else. And that really says so much more about you than I think you’re willing to acknowledge. You wrongly presume I got my information off one isolated article. I try to verify these things before posting them. It’s written in a separate article from the same outlet Well usually when people try to make arguments based on stories they cite, they don’t introduce new facts from other sources that they don’t. I can only argue the evidence you actually present here. Perhaps you’ll consider that next time you start a thread. By the way, I don’t want to continue playing a role in bumping this stupid thread back up to relevance over and over again. I think it’s run its course, so my next response will be my last one. Consider anything further you want me to specifically address on this thread very carefully.
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Post by sublime92 on Jul 18, 2018 18:05:07 GMT
Bigotry is a universal human construct no matter one's race, ethnicity, etc.
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 20, 2018 3:06:27 GMT
Technically, there are no white people. There are no black people either. All people are varying degrees of beige or brown. But since the OP started the thread with calling the culprit "black", I thought that calling people "white" was appropriate in this case. My comment was more why are whites (or Caucasians) being connected to racial strife between black and brown people? Seems those who are Hispanic are linked to whites or linked to minorities to suit the purpose or agenda of someone dealing with an incident. Because you are conflating “skin color” with “race”, when they are actually two different things. Hispanic Americans are most often included as “white” in census demographics, but when analyzing things like violence or crime, they are not included in the white category, but separated. It’s kind of like how biracial people are oftentimes considered “biracial” and not as black when white America wants to claim them as someone to be celebrated, but they are always counted as “black” if they commit a crime. Those are just some of the ways in which statistically white crime rates are deflated, while minority crime rates are always inflated. “George Zimmerman” (sounds very Hispanic doesn’t it) is a hero to white racists, and is therefore he is considered a white man! What color his skin looks like is irrelevant. He is ONLY ever called “brown” when people want to falsely suggest that he wasn’t racially motivated to murder Trevon Martin. The assumption being that minorities can’t be racist against each other. And of course that dialogue fails as completely unconvincing.
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