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Post by RiP, IMDb on Jul 13, 2018 1:30:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 2:25:32 GMT
LOL. There's a link in that article to the wikipedia article on the event... an article which explains what likely happened. No god involved.
Oh well. Nice try.
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Post by mslo79 on Jul 13, 2018 7:22:37 GMT
I would tend to go for stuff like... -Our Lady of Guadalupe (image from the year 1531) -Eucharistic miracles ( dowym.com/voices/5-incredible-eucharistic-miracles-from-the-last-25-years/ etc) -St. Pio (1887-1968) -Our Lady of Las Lajas (a rock from the year 1754. "Geologists from Germany bored core samples from several spots in the image. There is no paint, no dye, nor any other pigment on the surface of the rock. The colors are the colors of the rock itself. Even more incredible, the rock is perfectly colored to a depth of several feet!") -Miracle of the Sun (on Oct 13th 1917) etc etc. those will be harder for people to deny (especially given 3 out of the 5 I listed is still around today) I would think vs what the OP posted which seems to be a bit more vague. but if they deny what I posted, they will surely deny what the OP posted to because... ...as usual, for many it boils down to this... "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." - St. Thomas Aquinas |
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Post by geode on Jul 13, 2018 9:09:40 GMT
I would tend to go for stuff like... -Our Lady of Guadalupe (image from the year 1531) -Eucharistic miracles ( dowym.com/voices/5-incredible-eucharistic-miracles-from-the-last-25-years/ etc) -St. Pio (1887-1968) -Our Lady of Las Lajas (a rock from the year 1754. "Geologists from Germany bored core samples from several spots in the image. There is no paint, no dye, nor any other pigment on the surface of the rock. The colors are the colors of the rock itself. Even more incredible, the rock is perfectly colored to a depth of several feet!") -Miracle of the Sun (on Oct 13th 1917) etc etc. those will be harder for people to deny (especially given 3 out of the 5 I listed is still around today) I would think vs what the OP posted which seems to be a bit more vague. but if they deny what I posted, they will surely deny what the OP posted to because... ...as usual, for many it boils down to this... "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." - St. Thomas Aquinas I am in a discussion with somebody on Facebook about "The Shroud of Turin" and am wondering what you think about it. The quote from Aquinas seems to boil down that such things must be accepted on faith, not scientific proof. Yet in one case you have cited geologic proof. |
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Post by progressiveelement on Jul 13, 2018 10:23:00 GMT
"But here’s the thing: there are credible, well-documented examples from the modern period of God miraculously curing amputees. Here is one of them."
"the early 17th century "
Not what I think when using the term "modern". 😋
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 13, 2018 10:39:25 GMT
"But here’s the thing: there are credible, well-documented examples from the modern period of God miraculously curing amputees. Here is one of them." "the early 17th century " Not what I think when using the term "modern". 😋 Why not? Gunpowder weapons were in common use by the early 17th Century, and you seem to like things that go bang. In what century do you recognize that "medieval" ends and "modern" begins? |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 13, 2018 11:51:29 GMT
Although the account of this alleged miracle is certainly more intriguing and convincing than some, and gave this sceptic food for thought, it is significant that this is the only supposed example of this particular type of restoration, and one revisited only after two and a half years by the original witness-participants at that; a claimed miracle, moreover, from centuries ago when different standards applied; and that, disappointingly, all the original documents are alleged lost. I am also intrigued as to why God would wait well over two year before affecting a cure - let alone why He would supposedly reuse a buried leg. And one still wonders why this type of miracle is so unique, and so historic, when so many amputees presumably call on the Lord for help all of the time.
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Post by progressiveelement on Jul 13, 2018 17:22:24 GMT
"But here’s the thing: there are credible, well-documented examples from the modern period of God miraculously curing amputees. Here is one of them." "the early 17th century " Not what I think when using the term "modern". 😋 Why not? Gunpowder weapons were in common use by the early 17th Century, and you seem to like things that go bang. In what century do you recognize that "medieval" ends and "modern" begins? 20th. Specifically 1980. 👍 |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jul 13, 2018 18:18:19 GMT
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Post by general313 on Jul 13, 2018 19:10:46 GMT
If there's no YouTube video, it didn't happen. I mean, really, everybody has a smartphone these days, providing abundant videos of accidents, scandalous arrests, unusual weather phenomena, etc. Surely by now somebody should have made a video of an amputee miracle.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 14, 2018 3:18:21 GMT
If there's no YouTube video, it didn't happen. I mean, really, everybody has a smartphone these days, providing abundant videos of accidents, scandalous arrests, unusual weather phenomena, etc. Surely by now somebody should have made a video of an amputee miracle. They didn't have YouTube videos when this miracle was said to have happened, and if it never happened since it doesn't mean that it never happened once. And if there were a video of it happening today I don't believe for a moment that you would accept it as authentic. A few years ago there were some ISIS videos of guys getting their heads amputated, and a video of one guy being burned up; all faked, and rather badly faked at that. Of course, if someone wants to believe it happened as it was said to have happened, no amount of bad acting and bad special effects will convince him otherwise. |
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Post by general313 on Jul 14, 2018 19:05:21 GMT
If there's no YouTube video, it didn't happen. I mean, really, everybody has a smartphone these days, providing abundant videos of accidents, scandalous arrests, unusual weather phenomena, etc. Surely by now somebody should have made a video of an amputee miracle. They didn't have YouTube videos when this miracle was said to have happened, and if it never happened since it doesn't mean that it never happened once. And if there were a video of it happening today I don't believe for a moment that you would accept it as authentic. A few years ago there were some ISIS videos of guys getting their heads amputated, and a video of one guy being burned up; all faked, and rather badly faked at that. Of course, if someone wants to believe it happened as it was said to have happened, no amount of bad acting and bad special effects will convince him otherwise. Okay, but what was so special about this case? Although there are millions of amputee cases throughout history, God seems to perform this kind of miracle perhaps once every few centuries. Odd, no? |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 14, 2018 19:20:04 GMT
They didn't have YouTube videos when this miracle was said to have happened, and if it never happened since it doesn't mean that it never happened once. And if there were a video of it happening today I don't believe for a moment that you would accept it as authentic. A few years ago there were some ISIS videos of guys getting their heads amputated, and a video of one guy being burned up; all faked, and rather badly faked at that. Of course, if someone wants to believe it happened as it was said to have happened, no amount of bad acting and bad special effects will convince him otherwise. Okay, but what was so special about this case? Although there are millions of amputee cases throughout history, God seems to perform this kind of miracle perhaps once every few centuries. Odd, no? Faith. |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jul 14, 2018 19:38:19 GMT
Okay, but what was so special about this case? Although there are millions of amputee cases throughout history, God seems to perform this kind of miracle perhaps once every few centuries. Odd, no? Faith. A sucker is born every minute. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 14, 2018 19:43:17 GMT
A sucker is born every minute. He asked a question about why it doesn't happen to others, and I told him what I thought. Now piss off if you can't do any better than that. |
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Jul 14, 2018 22:01:00 GMT
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Jul 14, 2018 22:03:02 GMT
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 16, 2018 10:41:20 GMT
It says a lot when the faithful have to fall back on one alleged miracle of this sort, from hundreds of years back, which has no surviving primary documents.
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Post by general313 on Jul 16, 2018 14:07:34 GMT
Okay, but what was so special about this case? Although there are millions of amputee cases throughout history, God seems to perform this kind of miracle perhaps once every few centuries. Odd, no? Faith. So faith seems to be more abundant in ambiguous cases. I mean, it's quite common to hear that God has answered prayer and cured (or helped cure) cancer cases, but quite rare to hear about miracles involving amputees. Again, it seems rather odd to me. |
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Post by geode on Jul 16, 2018 15:05:59 GMT
It says a lot when the faithful have to fall back on one alleged miracle of this sort, from hundreds of years back, which has no surviving primary documents. This was my response to a friend claiming that the Shroud of Turin had been irrefutably proven authentic by science. At first I pointed out that some scientific studies showed it was not from 1st Century Jerusalem. He kept accepting only the studies that confirmed his bias. Finally I asked why as a Christian that this was so important to him. Are we to need physical proof to believe, as did Thomas? |
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