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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 18, 2018 9:44:17 GMT
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Post by dazz on Jul 18, 2018 12:06:36 GMT
Well I guess we should all brace ourselves for the tornado of joy that is Deb, cause things about to pick up.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 19, 2018 2:29:37 GMT
I'd be reluctant to get excited. Knowing the CW they'll screw this up somehow and completely alienate the fan.
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Post by dazz on Jul 19, 2018 9:41:26 GMT
Same here but we aren't Deb, she's like a turducken of positivity, as if she were a Smurf stuffed into a Care Bear stuffed into a Tellytubby.
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Post by dazz on Jul 19, 2018 12:28:37 GMT
TBH the Arrowverse is 50/50 with freshman series, Arrow & Flash did great, LOT was drizzling shits and Supergirl really wasn't anything spectacular, BL may have swung it had BL been an Arrowverse show but it isn't, atleast Supergirl technically kind of is if you consider the Arrowverse as the multiverse network the shows exist in and not the primary Arrowverse universe. Also trends are not looking good, the solo Arrow seasons did good, Flash S1 did good with majority care placed on it over Arrow, but since they upped the universe to 4 shows both LOT & Supergirl were underwhelming, so if CW aren't planning on ditching a show to make room for BW then it maybe even worse than LOT S1 God I hate those fucking idiots who make those claims, like if you want to be disrespectful the obvious excuse for the show is it's another Batman show without Batman, but even then so what, DC doing this is smart Batwoman isn't a huge name to the mainstream fans, some likely don't know Batwoman & Batgirl are different characters, but it's a character which is a major part of DC's biggest brand, the "PC" and "SJW" crap is just icing on the cake as it will help put the character into the limelight more, also Batgirls getting a film, Robin is getting a show, Nightwing is getting a film also, fucking Alfred is getting a show lets not forget, so Batwoman is getting a show partly also because everyone else is getting shit anyway, this aint a PC thing it's just DC being DC and oversaturating the market with Bat brand stuff, it's basically their go to stratergy for like the last decade or 2.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 14:03:32 GMT
TBH the Arrowverse is 50/50 with freshman series, Arrow & Flash did great, LOT was drizzling shits and Supergirl really wasn't anything spectacular, BL may have swung it had BL been an Arrowverse show but it isn't, atleast Supergirl technically kind of is if you consider the Arrowverse as the multiverse network the shows exist in and not the primary Arrowverse universe. Also trends are not looking good, the solo Arrow seasons did good, Flash S1 did good with majority care placed on it over Arrow, but since they upped the universe to 4 shows both LOT & Supergirl were underwhelming, so if CW aren't planning on ditching a show to make room for BW then it maybe even worse than LOT S1 God I hate those fucking idiots who make those claims, like if you want to be disrespectful the obvious excuse for the show is it's another Batman show without Batman, but even then so what, DC doing this is smart Batwoman isn't a huge name to the mainstream fans, some likely don't know Batwoman & Batgirl are different characters, but it's a character which is a major part of DC's biggest brand, the "PC" and "SJW" crap is just icing on the cake as it will help put the character into the limelight more, also Batgirls getting a film, Robin is getting a show, Nightwing is getting a film also, fucking Alfred is getting a show lets not forget, so Batwoman is getting a show partly also because everyone else is getting shit anyway, this aint a PC thing it's just DC being DC and oversaturating the market with Bat brand stuff, it's basically their go to stratergy for like the last decade or 2. The thing is with the homophobes if it was a 'Red Hood and the Outlaws' or an 'Azrael' TV show I doubt they would complain. It is only 'cause it is a show about a female superhero who is also a lesbian that has pissed them off and other people have brought up the fact Kate is a lesbian in the comic books but they keep going back to the old Batwoman from the 1950s (Kathy Kane) who couldn't fight and was only created as a love interest so people didn't think Bruce and Dick were gay and was killed off years ago. Kate Kane and Kathy Kane are not even the same characters. There is no two different versions. They are Mother and daughter just like the Black Canaries (Dinah Drake and Dinah Laurel Lance) with Kate Kane taking over the role of Batwoman. While I know you have said you would like to see them focus on other superheroes outside of the Bat Family and Bat Universe in general a large percent of DC is focused on the Bat Universe with many series like Batgirl, Nightwing, Batwoman, Birds of Prey, Teen Titans, Red Hood and the Outlaws, Secret Six, Red Robin, Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, Azrael, Batwing etc spinning off from Batman.
Batgirl and Nightwing are getting movies, Birds of Prey is getting a movie, we have a Titans show on the way and even Alfred has a show coming as you said so it makes sense Batwoman gets to be adapted on to screen too and is not about forcing any so called 'gay agenda' or PC and SJW crap as they claim but as I said, if it was Red Hood I doubt we would have heard a peep out of them. It is all about attacking her sexuality 'cause they hate a lesbian character having a show.
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Post by dazz on Jul 19, 2018 15:03:34 GMT
Only justification for it I can think of is because it's the CW and they tend to be ham fisted numpties when it comes to these things, so maybe people are just dreading having to endure a full blown mash up of sara likes girls and I was a barista that we had to go through during S2 and S1 of LOT, CW tends to serve these things better when they aren't the main characters or should I say the Arrowverse does, I like The 100's treatment of character sexuality atleast, hell TVD/TO did a good job imo of not making characters sexuality a lame storyline, Berlanti and his crew not so much imo. But yeah I wasn't rooting for this and any negative I have to it is based on my too much Batman viewpoint, so even if this was Red Hood or Batwing I would have the same response, but fuck it were getting the show hopefully so I am looking forward to A: learning more about the character & B: Learning how they are fucking it up from you, should be fun
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jul 19, 2018 15:28:13 GMT
.....They are Mother and daughter just like the Black Canaries (Dinah Drake and Dinah Laurel Lance) with Kate Kane taking over the role of Batwoman..... Is that correct? Not to impugn your comic cred, I just haven't read some of the more recent stuff since bringing Kathy back to life; and the whole Kane connection, at that time, was still ambiguous. Seeing how Kathy Kane was Bruce's fiance and Kate is Bruce's cousin, I assumed the last names were incidental and there was no blood relation between the two. I mean, I suppose the non-creepy way out would be that Kathy married into the Kane family and either got divorced before getting together with Bruce, or the two had an affair....
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 20, 2018 14:10:33 GMT
Well, there is a Catherine Kane who is the stepmother of current Batwoman, Kate Kane. It doesn't look like she was ever Batwoman.
Katherine Kane was the first Batwoman and she is a cousin to Bruce Wayne by marriage, not blood.
Can't find anything that connects the two heroines to each other. Though Katherine's backstory is pretty muddy.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jul 20, 2018 15:25:01 GMT
Well, there is a Catherine Kane who is the stepmother of current Batwoman, Kate Kane. It doesn't look like she was ever Batwoman. Katherine Kane was the first Batwoman and she is a cousin to Bruce Wayne by marriage, not blood. Can't find anything that connects the two heroines to each other. Though Katherine's backstory is pretty muddy. Have they retconned out Bruce's romantic relationship with her then?
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 20, 2018 19:16:34 GMT
As far as I know they have not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 11:51:50 GMT
Only justification for it I can think of is because it's the CW and they tend to be ham fisted numpties when it comes to these things, so maybe people are just dreading having to endure a full blown mash up of sara likes girls and I was a barista that we had to go through during S2 and S1 of LOT, CW tends to serve these things better when they aren't the main characters or should I say the Arrowverse does, I like The 100's treatment of character sexuality atleast, hell TVD/TO did a good job imo of not making characters sexuality a lame storyline, Berlanti and his crew not so much imo. But yeah I wasn't rooting for this and any negative I have to it is based on my too much Batman viewpoint, so even if this was Red Hood or Batwing I would have the same response, but fuck it were getting the show hopefully so I am looking forward to A: learning more about the character & B: Learning how they are fucking it up from you, should be fun Yeah. I can see those reasons being more valid point but to most of them they don’t care about the quality of the storylines and much like a LOT of the homophobes on the old IMDB boards that would go around attacking movies and TV shows for having LGBT characters they probably aren’t even fans of DC or know the most basic details about the shows except that there are LGBT characters in them and they don’t want any in movies or TV shows. There were quite a few homophobes and racists on those old boards that couldn’t answer the easiest of questions about the shows they used to whinge about with LGBT characters and people of colour in prominent roles and that was ‘cause they never watched them and just wanted to complain about the shows ‘cause they heard there are those characters in them.
These are homophobes and bigots down to the core and the only thing they care about is Batwoman is a female character and a lesbian and she could be poorly written in the ‘Arrowverse’ or one of the greatest written characters in history and I doubt it will make any difference to them ‘cause the only two things they see is a female superhero show that makes them insecure ‘cause it has a woman in a leading Action role and a lesbian which makes them cry the “gay agenda” is taking over. I just read a ridiculous comment from one of them earlier today about Batwoman being a lesbian and they went on to say the whole Batwoman show was liberals trying to make young female viewers into lesbians so they would grow up hating men and wow, they really have issues. It is like they were dropped on their heads when they were babies and I often wonder if their Mothers, sisters and female cousins know what they are really like ‘cause most of the homophobic ones are really sexist too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 11:53:14 GMT
.....They are Mother and daughter just like the Black Canaries (Dinah Drake and Dinah Laurel Lance) with Kate Kane taking over the role of Batwoman..... Is that correct? Not to impugn your comic cred, I just haven't read some of the more recent stuff since bringing Kathy back to life; and the whole Kane connection, at that time, was still ambiguous. Seeing how Kathy Kane was Bruce's fiance and Kate is Bruce's cousin, I assumed the last names were incidental and there was no blood relation between the two. I mean, I suppose the non-creepy way out would be that Kathy married into the Kane family and either got divorced before getting together with Bruce, or the two had an affair.... Well, there is a Catherine Kane who is the stepmother of current Batwoman, Kate Kane. It doesn't look like she was ever Batwoman. Katherine Kane was the first Batwoman and she is a cousin to Bruce Wayne by marriage, not blood. Can't find anything that connects the two heroines to each other. Though Katherine's backstory is pretty muddy. Catherine Kane is Kate Kane’s Step Mother but it was also confirmed she is Bette Kane’s niece and the original Batwoman was Betty Kane’s Mother. Here is where things get confusing. Bette Kane is the same character as Betty Kane. If you read the ‘Batwoman New 52 Series’ they acknowledge all her history as Flamebird before she was Hawkfire and also acknowledge she was the original Batgirl and was a sidekick to her Aunt meaning Catherine Kane has to be the original Batwoman in the New 52 and Rebirth.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 21, 2018 11:54:11 GMT
My head hurts.
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Post by dazz on Jul 21, 2018 12:09:47 GMT
Those "you're trying to turn girls/boys into lesbians/gays" thing always makes me laugh because it's like no fuck wits their trying to tell gay and lesbian men and women who may feel uneasy expressing who they truly are that it's ok, or their just representing them which is fair because it is a sizeable portion of society, with some "SJW" issues I can get some of the backlash, like race stuff can have a sort of valid criticism for demonising all white or outside ethnicities, or even for just female heavy stuff to do the same towards men sometimes in ways that a male heavy show cannot get away with, but I don't think I have ever seen straight shaming on a TV show, even when it may be LGBT leaning.
The thing I find funny though most of all is how these fuckers don't seem to notice a pattern as racism tends to go hand in hand with sexism & homophobia, all 3 are due to outright ignorance they have no other connection to one another, like surely if you are homophobic you shouldn't be sexist, otherwise why do you hate same sex couples so much, if you believe women or men are inferior to the other why isn't the idea of pairing up with one of your own and leaving the "inferior sex" to pair off with themselves attractive to you? I mean in that regard maybe sexism can kind of go with racism but not if you are homophobic as well, just doesn't make sense, then again im not an idiot so I don't get how they "think".
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 21, 2018 18:03:37 GMT
You can't expect sense or logic from them. They're completely immune to it.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 22, 2018 22:22:09 GMT
I just hope it's a good show.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 23, 2018 21:46:03 GMT
It's on the CW, so no. It won't be.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 23, 2018 22:06:07 GMT
Well you're certainly a gloomy Gus.
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