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Post by dazz on Aug 23, 2018 15:48:00 GMT
That could be cool and a way to do higher budget horror but lower budget CBM's because they'll have more of a wider audience being DC and Marvel so they could spend a nice chunk of change on them but far less than they normally for a CBM, so like $30-40m like It maybe push it to $50m, and it just gives you a more varied genre.
I would want a reboot of Blade though first from Marvel, you know use a main name to tentpole that endeavour, but a Raven film would be awesome also from DC.
You're right and I have suggested this before on another thread but perhaps DC should let New Line Cinema handle their Horror titles 'cause they have had a lot of success over the years with the genre and recently had 'It' and with Warner Bros looking to make more DC movies now that aren't part of the DCEU and are not as connected they have the perfect chance to do something like that. They could also use this to adapt more Wildstorm and Vertigo series to screen 'cause most of them are best to keep separate and not mix with the DCEU and a lot of Wildstorm fans didn't like it when DC made Wildstorm a part of the main DC continuity 'cause they ended up changing a lot of their superpowers around that were similar to other superheroes that existed in DC completely replacing some of them with new powers and new looks. I am surprised Marvel doesn't do something like that too to separate a lot of the superheroes people want to see on screen that they are saying are too dark to be part of the MCU. They could use a reboot of 'Blade' to kick it off and then adapt others like Elsa Bloodstone, Ghost Rider, Moon Knight and many Max titles that haven't been adapted.
Even if they didn't want to keep them too separate thanks to the Arrowverse they have established to a mainstream audience the concept of the DC Multiverse just go with this, and brand your universes, their all under the DC Multiverse label but you have DC-13 as the horror brand with a darker and more gothic logo and colour palate, you have DC-52 which is the main universe, maybe DC-31 which is the more noir and gangster films and so on even having DC-25 be the inverse of DC-52 and be the darkest timeline sore of shit, sure at first will be like huh what, like they were with the MCU for a while but eventually you put in good work and people will recognise it, and you can refer to them as DC Heroes, DC Horror, DC Gangster, DC Villains and such, which Marvel could also do but hell they can do it and keep it in the same universe more easily I would assume, and just create a mature label, all the shit is still in canon but they are smaller and darker stories and they are under the Marvel Knights or Marvel FX or whatever label, which is where Deadpool can live as well as Ghost Rider, Blade, solo Wolverine as well as all the horror based Marvel stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 12:01:58 GMT
You're right and I have suggested this before on another thread but perhaps DC should let New Line Cinema handle their Horror titles 'cause they have had a lot of success over the years with the genre and recently had 'It' and with Warner Bros looking to make more DC movies now that aren't part of the DCEU and are not as connected they have the perfect chance to do something like that. They could also use this to adapt more Wildstorm and Vertigo series to screen 'cause most of them are best to keep separate and not mix with the DCEU and a lot of Wildstorm fans didn't like it when DC made Wildstorm a part of the main DC continuity 'cause they ended up changing a lot of their superpowers around that were similar to other superheroes that existed in DC completely replacing some of them with new powers and new looks. I am surprised Marvel doesn't do something like that too to separate a lot of the superheroes people want to see on screen that they are saying are too dark to be part of the MCU. They could use a reboot of 'Blade' to kick it off and then adapt others like Elsa Bloodstone, Ghost Rider, Moon Knight and many Max titles that haven't been adapted.
Even if they didn't want to keep them too separate thanks to the Arrowverse they have established to a mainstream audience the concept of the DC Multiverse just go with this, and brand your universes, their all under the DC Multiverse label but you have DC-13 as the horror brand with a darker and more gothic logo and colour palate, you have DC-52 which is the main universe, maybe DC-31 which is the more noir and gangster films and so on even having DC-25 be the inverse of DC-52 and be the darkest timeline sore of shit, sure at first will be like huh what, like they were with the MCU for a while but eventually you put in good work and people will recognise it, and you can refer to them as DC Heroes, DC Horror, DC Gangster, DC Villains and such, which Marvel could also do but hell they can do it and keep it in the same universe more easily I would assume, and just create a mature label, all the shit is still in canon but they are smaller and darker stories and they are under the Marvel Knights or Marvel FX or whatever label, which is where Deadpool can live as well as Ghost Rider, Blade, solo Wolverine as well as all the horror based Marvel stuff. I agree. That would be a good idea but I suppose it all comes down to Warner Bros at the end of the day and what they want to do with the DC properties going forward and while I’m happy to see they are making some new movies that will exist outside of the DCEU like ‘The Joker’ movie I feel like they are making a mistake having a solo ‘Joker’ movie so soon especially when we haven’t had a ‘Batman’ solo movie with Ben Affleck playing Batman but the way they are talking about it the movie and the character won’t be connected to the other movies or Jared Leto’s version of the Joker and they may even end up going with a ‘Joker’ movie that is set in a universe where Batman doesn’t exist and that is bound to annoy some fans but Joaquin Phoenix said it is going to be unique to anything fans have seen before and fans who are expecting it to be follow the comics will be disappointed.
He also said ‘The Joker’ movie isn’t going to be a superhero movie or an Action movie for that matter and Todd Phillips has compared it to ‘Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer’ and said it is going to be based in the real world so they are going for something completely different there and I am not sure how it is going to turn out and think it could turn out to be a giant disaster. I think they need to adapt more superheroes to screen first before they make movies about villains ‘cause there are so many of them that have yet to have appear in anything and that is the major difference between DC and Marvel and with Marvel we have seen 90 percent of their biggest superheroes on screen with the exception of female superheroes like Carol Danvers, Jessica Drew and Shanna but with DC we have seen hardly any of their biggest heroes and I think they need to focus on righting that before adapting supervillain movies but that is just my opinion and some may disagree with it.
Marvel could really use a separate division where they can focus on lot of their more adult and Horror series 'cause that seems to be the one big area of Marvel the MCU have failed to adapt and a lot of fans want to see more of that. I have said before with the exception of 'Wonder Woman' I think the biggest problem with the DCEU and MCU is one is too dark and the other is too light and there should more variety among both of them especially the MCU since Marvel have those characters and a new 'Blade' movie could be a massive hit.
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Post by BexxyJ on Sept 11, 2018 7:53:16 GMT
Even if they didn't want to keep them too separate thanks to the Arrowverse they have established to a mainstream audience the concept of the DC Multiverse just go with this, and brand your universes, their all under the DC Multiverse label but you have DC-13 as the horror brand with a darker and more gothic logo and colour palate, you have DC-52 which is the main universe, maybe DC-31 which is the more noir and gangster films and so on even having DC-25 be the inverse of DC-52 and be the darkest timeline sore of shit, sure at first will be like huh what, like they were with the MCU for a while but eventually you put in good work and people will recognise it, and you can refer to them as DC Heroes, DC Horror, DC Gangster, DC Villains and such, which Marvel could also do but hell they can do it and keep it in the same universe more easily I would assume, and just create a mature label, all the shit is still in canon but they are smaller and darker stories and they are under the Marvel Knights or Marvel FX or whatever label, which is where Deadpool can live as well as Ghost Rider, Blade, solo Wolverine as well as all the horror based Marvel stuff. Marvel could really use a separate division where they can focus on lot of their more adult and Horror series 'cause that seems to be the one big area of Marvel the MCU have failed to adapt and a lot of fans want to see more of that. I have said before with the exception of 'Wonder Woman' I think the biggest problem with the DCEU and MCU is one is too dark and the other is too light and there should more variety among both of them especially the MCU since Marvel have those characters and a new 'Blade' movie could be a massive hit.
You can count me in with Blade. That was a rad movie. DC and Marvel could learn a thing or two from watching the Blade movies like how to make good and interesting movies. Less dorks in costumes and more vampires.
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 11, 2018 18:14:07 GMT
When in doubt, more vampires!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 13:19:05 GMT
Marvel could really use a separate division where they can focus on lot of their more adult and Horror series 'cause that seems to be the one big area of Marvel the MCU have failed to adapt and a lot of fans want to see more of that. I have said before with the exception of 'Wonder Woman' I think the biggest problem with the DCEU and MCU is one is too dark and the other is too light and there should more variety among both of them especially the MCU since Marvel have those characters and a new 'Blade' movie could be a massive hit.
You can count me in with Blade. That was a rad movie. DC and Marvel could learn a thing or two from watching the Blade movies like how to make good and interesting movies. Less dorks in costumes and more vampires. Apparently Blade could be returning with Wesley Snipes as a TV Show with the focus being more on his daughter this time. This could be awesome if it is true and it would allow Wesley Snipes to play Blade without having to do many Action scenes. In-Development MCU Projects That May Secretly Be TV Showsscreenrant.com/mcu-movies-upcoming-tv-shows/
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 24, 2018 13:21:47 GMT
So it's like Old Man Logan but with Blade and on television?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 12:02:47 GMT
So it's like Old Man Logan but with Blade and on television? I think it will be in a way but it will focus more on his daughter. Did you ever read the 'Blade The Hunter' series? It was written by Tim Seeley (the creator of 'Hack/Slash') and a number of fans liked it but he quit the series 'cause he believed it should be written by a woman of colour and instead of hiring a woman of colour to write it Marvel sadly put it on the back burner. If they decide to make a TV show or movie on it I think it is very likely the comic book series will return and Marvel should give it a chance since the 'Blade' movies are still popular and a lot of fans will watch it if Wesley Snipes returns. Whatever Happened to the All-New Blade?observationdeck.kinja.com/whatever-happened-to-the-all-new-blade-1786828750
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 10, 2018 11:58:44 GMT
I hadn't hard of Blade the Hunter until now. We should all know, you're more into comics then I am. You're pretty damned impressive if you ask me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 12:25:10 GMT
I hadn't hard of Blade the Hunter until now. We should all know, you're more into comics then I am. You're pretty damned impressive if you ask me. Thanks. I have read a lot of comic books over the years ranging from all different genres and I have mostly collected comic books and graphic novels under DC, Image Comics and Dynamite Entertainment but I have also got quite a few series under Marvel, Zenescope (the Wonderland and Salem's Daughter series), Action Lab, Bubble Comics. Valiant Comics, Amigo Comics, Broadsword, Boundless Comics, Archie Comics etc and I have a lot of Phantom comics I got in showbags. My favourite comic book company is Image Comics and there are so many great series under Image Comics and I am glad you were finally able to check out 'Hack/Slash' and you enjoyed it and you should give 'Witchblade' a try one day.
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 28, 2018 9:57:04 GMT
Yeah I spent most of my years sticking with the superhero comics of Marvel and DC. It's only been recently that I branched out into other genres and companies. A lot of the best stuff does seem to be coming out of Image.
I am trying to get around to Witchblade. As well as Vampirella. You have been a big help in suggesting titles to read. I can never underestimate just helpful you have been and I don't think I can ever properly express my gratitude or pay you back.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 11:27:39 GMT
Yeah I spent most of my years sticking with the superhero comics of Marvel and DC. It's only been recently that I branched out into other genres and companies. A lot of the best stuff does seem to be coming out of Image. I am trying to get around to Witchblade. As well as Vampirella. You have been a big help in suggesting titles to read. I can never underestimate just helpful you have been and I don't think I can ever properly express my gratitude or pay you back. I read a number of superhero comic books when I was younger too and some of the first very comic books I remember reading were The Phantom, Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, Superman and X Men but it wasn't until I read the 'Supergirl/Linda Danvers' series by Peter David and 'Witchblade' that I really got into comic books and started collecting a lot of them and I like a lot of the series outside of the superhero genre especially Horror and Fantasy and feel they have been largely unrepresented on screen but with more comic book movies on the way hopefully we will see that change. A lot of people don't realise how diverse comic books actually are and think that superhero comic books are the only comic books that exist which is why it surprises them when they find out things like 'Dennis the Menace', 'Wanted', '30 Days of Night', 'Bulletproof Monk', 'Blondie', 'Sabrina the Teenage Witch' and 'From Hell' were based on comic books and graphic novels. There have been far more comic book movies out than they know but they weren't advertised as comic book movies the same way superhero movies were especially 'cause they weren't under DC and Marvel. Many non comic book readers know what DC and Marvel is but when they say a name like IDW which is the company 'Wynonna Earp' is under they don't know it is a comic book series.
You are welcome, by the way and I always enjoy talking about comic books with you.
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Post by General Kenobi on Nov 4, 2018 17:46:29 GMT
See, this is why diversity matters. Not just in who the protagonists is, but the types of stories out their. Not everyone likes superhero. But then their are horror, science fiction, fantasy, romance, and drama comics.
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Post by BexxyJ on Nov 5, 2018 5:35:29 GMT
See, this is why diversity matters. Not just in who the protagonists is, but the types of stories out their. Not everyone likes superhero. But then their are horror, science fiction, fantasy, romance, and drama comics. Debbie’s an expert on all things related to music and comics. She must own 10 000 of them things in our boxes and cupboards and if there is a comic with a female lead she’s the girl to ask. I know fuck all about comics or comic book movies. I’ve read some of it here and there but I wasn’t able to get into it like Debbie did and can’t take characters seriously when they are dressed in their superhero costumes. Just not my thing, you know but I make an effort to get to know some of them for her. Why are they superheroes? Is it just so they can say I am not a hero I am a superhero.
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Post by dazz on Nov 5, 2018 16:32:55 GMT
Probably, we had comic book heroes before them who were more exceptionally talented humans rather than superpowered, also probably due to Superman being the first or maybe just what most consider the first superhero, he was the blue print a lot of them sprung from, and for the longest time Superman was THE superhero others had their runs but Superman was always one of the big names, and with him it's an easy thing to say he's not just a hero he's a superhero, more than a man he's Superman, I can just hear that being said in one of those old timey shows.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 11:46:01 GMT
See, this is why diversity matters. Not just in who the protagonists is, but the types of stories out their. Not everyone likes superhero. But then their are horror, science fiction, fantasy, romance, and drama comics. Yes. It is does and when it comes to comic books there is more diversity in them now than there is in movies and TV shows and we have genres like Fantasy that are largely represented with many different series whereas the Fantasy genre is rarely explored in movies and hopefully we will get to see more of those genres adapted to screen in the coming years 'cause comic books are not just about superheroes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 11:56:18 GMT
See, this is why diversity matters. Not just in who the protagonists is, but the types of stories out their. Not everyone likes superhero. But then their are horror, science fiction, fantasy, romance, and drama comics. Debbie’s an expert on all things related to music and comics. She must own 10 000 of them things in our boxes and cupboards and if there is a comic with a female lead she’s the girl to ask. I know fuck all about comics or comic book movies. I’ve read some of it here and there but I wasn’t able to get into it like Debbie did and can’t take characters seriously when they are dressed in their superhero costumes. Just not my thing, you know but I make an effort to get to know some of them for her. Why are they superheroes? Is it just so they can say I am not a hero I am a superhero. Well, I wouldn't say I am expert on comic books but I know quite a bit about the series I have been following over the years and female lead comic book series from the 90s and 00s in general and there are a lot of good series coming out at the moment under independent companies and it is hard to keep up with them especially now we are having to pay more for graphic novels on the Australian Amazon store than we did on the American store. It is also a great time for female comic book writers with more women working in the industry now than ever before and many of them have been writing for series like Witchblade, Red Sonja, Hack/Slash, Fathom, Vampirella and Dejah Thoris and breathing new life into characters that have been around for a long time while others have been creating their own series like 'Saga' and 'Monstress' which have been two of the most successful new comic book series of the past decade and were created by female writers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 12:02:29 GMT
Probably, we had comic book heroes before them who were more exceptionally talented humans rather than superpowered, also probably due to Superman being the first or maybe just what most consider the first superhero, he was the blue print a lot of them sprung from, and for the longest time Superman was THE superhero others had their runs but Superman was always one of the big names, and with him it's an easy thing to say he's not just a hero he's a superhero, more than a man he's Superman, I can just hear that being said in one of those old timey shows. Not to tread on your feet here Dazz but The Phantom was the first superhero who was called a superhero and wore a costume and while he didn't have superpowers like Superman and other superheroes had he played a major influence on all the superheroes that followed after him as did Lee Falk's other series, Mandrake the Magician. Lee Falk and his series 'The Phantom' and 'Mandrake' don't generally get the respect or acknowledgement they deserve from many people 'cause they weren't under DC or Marvel but many DC and Marvel writers have acknowledged the influence Falk had on them including Bob Kane and Stan Lee and it is just a shame we can't get a really good 'Phantom' movie 'cause he is still one of the Top 5 biggest selling superheroes of all time (The biggest selling superhero here in Australia) and I feel with the write writers a good 'Phantom' movie could be very successful.
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Post by dazz on Nov 18, 2018 12:28:05 GMT
Well I did say what most consider the first superhero, but was The Phantom called a superhero before it became common place, or would be like a lot of those comic characters who came before the superhero boom and be called something else? As is superhero apparently predates The Phantom by almost 2 decades and was used to refer to heroes of folklore such as Robin Hood and that, so fuck knows who is the true first superhero but yeah Phantom looks to have had a lot of the superhero elements but is he considered an actual superhero? on the wikis they don't say so, I know wiki isn't infallible but I dunno he seems to be more in a limbo not quite a superhero not quite the comic strip hero that came before....he's the missing link!!! someone call Dewey Robertson someones stealing his gimmick...or did Dewey steal his?? hehehe
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 11:53:48 GMT
Well I did say what most consider the first superhero, but was The Phantom called a superhero before it became common place, or would be like a lot of those comic characters who came before the superhero boom and be called something else? As is superhero apparently predates The Phantom by almost 2 decades and was used to refer to heroes of folklore such as Robin Hood and that, so fuck knows who is the true first superhero but yeah Phantom looks to have had a lot of the superhero elements but is he considered an actual superhero? on the wikis they don't say so, I know wiki isn't infallible but I dunno he seems to be more in a limbo not quite a superhero not quite the comic strip hero that came before....he's the missing link!!! someone call Dewey Robertson someones stealing his gimmick...or did Dewey steal his?? hehehe From what I have read he was called a superhero in the comic books and you are right, the actual word, 'superhero' predates comic books and was used in the early 1900s to describe some folklore heroes like Robin Hood along with other heroes like Zoro (who was created in 1919), Popeye, The Grey Seal, The Shadow and Hugo Danner which were all said to be called superheroes and predated comic books too. I thought Robin Hood was supposed to be a real person but maybe not. I don't know but the first comic book superhero is said to have been the Phantom and he was also the first to wear a superhero costume and the first one with superpowers was Mandrake the Magician who was also created by Lee Falk and the likes of Superman and Batman followed after that so basically the superhero genre owes a lot to Lee Falk and I am surprised DC or Marvel didn't try and pick up the character years ago and add him to their universes since he is the biggest selling and longest running superhero neither of them have and they bought Captain Marvel but perhaps Lee Falk didn't trust them not to screw him over with the rights of the character.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 15, 2019 16:40:23 GMT
Yeah I think the word superhero was coined because the world hero had changed. In the old days hero referred to adventurers like Hercules, King Arthur, and Robin Hood. But over the centuries the word shifted to anyone who goes above and beyond to help others. So we needed a new word to describe the larger then life colorful characters who fight monsters and evil.
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