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Post by xystophoros on Mar 20, 2017 20:34:43 GMT
Holy shit. Was last night's episode on the Hallmark Channel? That opening sequence sans dialog was one of the most painfully bad moments in TWD history, which is a hell of an accomplishment in a series that is such a consistent shit festival.
Seriously, that scene with Maggie and Enid and the doctor all smiling during the ultrasound looked like a terribly produced commercial for a new prescription drug.
And that saccharine, sentimental piano riff that kept repeating? Kill me now.
So. Fucking. Cheesy.
Who was surprised when an episode's worth of redemptive talk, reconciliation and tender moments between Sasha and Rosita ended with Sasha's apparent death? Anyone? Did anyone not see that coming 300 miles away? (Note: I'm not saying Sasha's dead yet, although the actress is heading up the new Star Trek show. TWD will probably pull a Magic Dumpster with Sasha before killing her off for good, because the writers can't help themselves from making everything as cheesy as possible, just spraying Velveeta all over the fucking place.)
Calling it right now: We will NOT see anything resembling a satisfying conclusion to this season.
With two episodes left and the Oceanside thing still not dealt with, you can be sure the show draw out that bit, with Rick and his gang traveling to Oceanside, pleading with their leaders, and having to prove themselves worthy of teaming up to take out Negan.
That means we're probably going to get a "special 90 minute episode" that concludes with Rick leading the charge into Saviors HQ as the screen fades to black over the sound of gunshots. "Tune in next season on The Walking Dead!"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 22:23:18 GMT
That means we're probably going to get a "special 90 minute episode" that concludes with Rick leading the charge into Saviors HQ as the screen fades to black over the sound of gunshots. "Tune in next season on The Walking Dead!" That's probably exactly what will happen. I hate to say it, but this show is starting to get kind of dull.
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Post by chrisjdel on Mar 20, 2017 23:49:43 GMT
Holy shit. Was last night's episode on the Hallmark Channel? That opening sequence sans dialog was one of the most painfully bad moments in TWD history, which is a hell of an accomplishment in a series that is such a consistent shit festival. Seriously, that scene with Maggie and Enid and the doctor all smiling during the ultrasound looked like a terribly produced commercial for a new prescription drug. And that saccharine, sentimental piano riff that kept repeating? Kill me now. So. Fucking. Cheesy. Who was surprised when an episode's worth of redemptive talk, reconciliation and tender moments between Sasha and Rosita ended with Sasha's apparent death? Anyone? Did anyone not see that coming 300 miles away? (Note: I'm not saying Sasha's dead yet, although the actress is heading up the new Star Trek show. TWD will probably pull a Magic Dumpster with Sasha before killing her off for good, because the writers can't help themselves from making everything as cheesy as possible, just spraying Velveeta all over the fucking place.) Calling it right now: We will NOT see anything resembling a satisfying conclusion to this season. With two episodes left and the Oceanside thing still not dealt with, you can be sure the show draw out that bit, with Rick and his gang traveling to Oceanside, pleading with their leaders, and having to prove themselves worthy of teaming up to take out Negan. That means we're probably going to get a "special 90 minute episode" that concludes with Rick leading the charge into Saviors HQ as the screen fades to black over the sound of gunshots. "Tune in next season on The Walking Dead!" I think they meet (the writers and producers) at the beginning of every season and lay out basically where they want to be by mid-season, and at the finale. Unfortunately this year they haven't been nearly ambitious enough. The whole season goes from Negan subduing Alexandria to the beginning of the all out war scenario. That's it. Not nearly enough story to support a whole season so there's been a tremendous amount of filler material. It's like okay, we have sixteen episodes to shoot and there can't be a confrontation with Negan yet - so what do we do this week? That's no way to plan out a series. Don't get me wrong, there have been some great scenes in almost every episode. They just throw in too much other stuff that really doesn't add to the story and seems to be there for the sole purpose of filling time. In the last episode, if they wanted to have Sasha and Rosita bond why not let them walk and talk at the same time? Instead they did all that tense walking mostly in silence and then talked once they got to the Sanctuary which burned up twice as much time. Some of the scenes with Eugene and the Saviors were cool, but they didn't need to devote an entire ep. to that. Too much time has been wasted with each Alexandrian brought to the Sanctuary being shown around and seeing the same things over and over. Like the hot iron ritual. The burning of that guy's face in front of Carl was more than sufficient, we get the point. Like I said, most of the tangent episodes that veer away from the main plot had great scenes in them. If you combine several (follow multiple characters at once) you could keep all those scenes and wind up with a single nicely paced episode instead of three overlong ones that drag. All out war should've been underway by mid-season. It should not have been postponed until season 8, that was a very poor decision. 16 episodes is a good sized order and there need to be multiple major plot points every season. The real attraction of TWD was always that it was tense and unpredictable; anything could happen in any given episode, you never knew when a shocking development would come out of nowhere. They need to recapture that sense of a show that hits the ground running every season and doesn't stop until the credits roll on the finale. One way or another I think they should consider a total break with the comic storyline going forward. Trying too hard to stay true to the print version has held them back, imo. The intro from last night being like a prescription drug ad, that made me laugh. They do have that style don't they? I'd love to see the pharmaceutical companies throw in random shots of screaming people being devoured by walkers in between all the happy folks smiling at each other, running through fields, playing with their kids, and all that. Maybe right at the points when the voiceover reading (very quickly) through the list of side effects says things like "which could be life threatening" or "may lead to death".
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Post by geezer on Mar 21, 2017 21:15:45 GMT
Damn, I have tried twice to watch this episode and fell asleep both times! Boring. I pretty much agree with everything that has been said in this thread. I feel that the show has tied itself so tight to the comic story that it has hurt the show even more. It is totally predictable from here on out. One year of build up just to tease us into watching next season? There is no way the "payoff" will be worth the long boring build-up. Think next season will be all action and excitement? WRONG! It will be some action with still more filler to pad out an entire season. I would bet on it!
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Post by Obi-fun-to-know-me on Mar 22, 2017 13:26:50 GMT
That means we're probably going to get a "special 90 minute episode" that concludes with Rick leading the charge into Saviors HQ as the screen fades to black over the sound of gunshots. "Tune in next season on The Walking Dead!" That's probably exactly what will happen. I hate to say it, but this show is starting to get kind of dull. Not meaning to be rude but 'starting to' ?? Have you only just figured that out? lol
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Post by Obi-fun-to-know-me on Mar 22, 2017 13:31:32 GMT
Damn, I have tried twice to watch this episode and fell asleep both times! Boring. I pretty much agree with everything that has been said in this thread. I feel that the show has tied itself so tight to the comic story that it has hurt the show even more. It is totally predictable from here on out. One year of build up just to tease us into watching next season? There is no way the "payoff" will be worth the long boring build-up. Think next season will be all action and excitement? WRONG! It will be some action with still more filler to pad out an entire season. I would bet on it! Couldn't agree more!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 16:33:28 GMT
That's probably exactly what will happen. I hate to say it, but this show is starting to get kind of dull. Not meaning to be rude but 'starting to' ?? Have you only just figured that out? lol lol I've noticed the quality of the show going downhill for awhile now, but people (on IMDb) always encouraged me to stick with it. They claimed the Negan story line would be the greatest thing ever so I think I overlooked how bad it has gotten because I felt it was going to get better....but it hasn't. If anything this is the worst season yet.
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Post by geezer on Mar 23, 2017 1:37:54 GMT
Don't get me wrong. I LOVED this show when it first came out. I am not one of the Haters who say the show has always sucked, an that people who enjoy it are morons and idiots. It has always had ups and downs, like a rollercoaster. I had patience during season 2 at the farm....A lot of it was boring, but it finished off well on both finales. I had patience during season 3....even through the Andrea/Governor drama I had patience during season 4....The flu in the prison was boring until the end, then the second half with "Brian Heriot" coming back and destroying the prison was really good. I actually enjoyed some of the bottle episodes here and felt it DID develop the main characters, and the lead-up to Terminus was interesting. I had patience during season 5....The Terminus story was great, but much too short. I started to get pissed off with the Hospital/Beth distraction, (not a well-told story, with a stupid ending)! Season 6 in Alexandria.....I enjoyed maybe half the shows. The Quarry-Walker plan was stupid, Glenn's "Fake-Dumpster Death", and the season finale pissed me off. Season 7....What can I say? Dragged out with filler, no progression, an over-all downer vibe....it has sucked. The first half felt like a year, the second half, while better is still not back on track. I feel the writing has gotten worse and worse over time. My patience is running out. I was a fan, but now feel they should look towards an end-game and end it before it gets worse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 18:59:51 GMT
Holy shit. Was last night's episode on the Hallmark Channel? That opening sequence sans dialog was one of the most painfully bad moments in TWD history, which is a hell of an accomplishment in a series that is such a consistent shit festival. Seriously, that scene with Maggie and Enid and the doctor all smiling during the ultrasound looked like a terribly produced commercial for a new prescription drug. And that saccharine, sentimental piano riff that kept repeating? Kill me now. So. Fucking. Cheesy. Who was surprised when an episode's worth of redemptive talk, reconciliation and tender moments between Sasha and Rosita ended with Sasha's apparent death? Anyone? Did anyone not see that coming 300 miles away? (Note: I'm not saying Sasha's dead yet, although the actress is heading up the new Star Trek show. TWD will probably pull a Magic Dumpster with Sasha before killing her off for good, because the writers can't help themselves from making everything as cheesy as possible, just spraying Velveeta all over the fucking place.) Calling it right now: We will NOT see anything resembling a satisfying conclusion to this season. With two episodes left and the Oceanside thing still not dealt with, you can be sure the show draw out that bit, with Rick and his gang traveling to Oceanside, pleading with their leaders, and having to prove themselves worthy of teaming up to take out Negan. That means we're probably going to get a "special 90 minute episode" that concludes with Rick leading the charge into Saviors HQ as the screen fades to black over the sound of gunshots. "Tune in next season on The Walking Dead!" I think they meet (the writers and producers) at the beginning of every season and lay out basically where they want to be by mid-season, and at the finale. Unfortunately this year they haven't been nearly ambitious enough. The whole season goes from Negan subduing Alexandria to the beginning of the all out war scenario. That's it. Not nearly enough story to support a whole season so there's been a tremendous amount of filler material. It's like okay, we have sixteen episodes to shoot and there can't be a confrontation with Negan yet - so what do we do this week? That's no way to plan out a series. Don't get me wrong, there have been some great scenes in almost every episode. They just throw in too much other stuff that really doesn't add to the story and seems to be there for the sole purpose of filling time. In the last episode, if they wanted to have Sasha and Rosita bond why not let them walk and talk at the same time? Instead they did all that tense walking mostly in silence and then talked once they got to the Sanctuary which burned up twice as much time. Some of the scenes with Eugene and the Saviors were cool, but they didn't need to devote an entire ep. to that. Too much time has been wasted with each Alexandrian brought to the Sanctuary being shown around and seeing the same things over and over. Like the hot iron ritual. The burning of that guy's face in front of Carl was more than sufficient, we get the point. Like I said, most of the tangent episodes that veer away from the main plot had great scenes in them. If you combine several (follow multiple characters at once) you could keep all those scenes and wind up with a single nicely paced episode instead of three overlong ones that drag. All out war should've been underway by mid-season. It should not have been postponed until season 8, that was a very poor decision. 16 episodes is a good sized order and there need to be multiple major plot points every season. The real attraction of TWD was always that it was tense and unpredictable; anything could happen in any given episode, you never knew when a shocking development would come out of nowhere. They need to recapture that sense of a show that hits the ground running every season and doesn't stop until the credits roll on the finale. One way or another I think they should consider a total break with the comic storyline going forward. Trying too hard to stay true to the print version has held them back, imo. The intro from last night being like a prescription drug ad, that made me laugh. They do have that style don't they? I'd love to see the pharmaceutical companies throw in random shots of screaming people being devoured by walkers in between all the happy folks smiling at each other, running through fields, playing with their kids, and all that. Maybe right at the points when the voiceover reading (very quickly) through the list of side effects says things like "which could be life threatening" or "may lead to death". Hi Chris! It's me - LadyGigi from tmdb.org I see your criticisms here. No offense though. You and JRiddle should get together and write a review since he has some of the same criticisms that you do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 19:02:36 GMT
Damn, I have tried twice to watch this episode and fell asleep both times! Boring. I pretty much agree with everything that has been said in this thread. I feel that the show has tied itself so tight to the comic story that it has hurt the show even more. It is totally predictable from here on out. One year of build up just to tease us into watching next season? There is no way the "payoff" will be worth the long boring build-up. Think next season will be all action and excitement? WRONG! It will be some action with still more filler to pad out an entire season. I would bet on it! I agree. A lot of episodes are kind of boring. For this season I think the most boring episode was when Rick met the trash community. The best episode so far was a couple of weeks ago on Bury the Dead when Morgan went complete psychopath on Richard.
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Post by xystophoros on Mar 23, 2017 19:18:12 GMT
The real attraction of TWD was always that it was tense and unpredictable; anything could happen in any given episode, you never knew when a shocking development would come out of nowhere. They need to recapture that sense of a show that hits the ground running every season and doesn't stop until the credits roll on the finale. One way or another I think they should consider a total break with the comic storyline going forward. Trying too hard to stay true to the print version has held them back, imo. The intro from last night being like a prescription drug ad, that made me laugh. They do have that style don't they? I'd love to see the pharmaceutical companies throw in random shots of screaming people being devoured by walkers in between all the happy folks smiling at each other, running through fields, playing with their kids, and all that. Maybe right at the points when the voiceover reading (very quickly) through the list of side effects says things like "which could be life threatening" or "may lead to death". Yes, remember when they killed off Dale? For me that was the most upsetting death in the series, not only because I liked the character, but because his death seemed to come out of nowhere, and it was horrific. Just an awful way to die. But since then it's like they've been on a "schedule" for killing people off. Major characters can never be killed off during a "regular" episode. If a major character dies, it has to be during a mid-season or season finale, with the exception of the Glenn/Abraham deaths which were cheesed from the season finale to the premiere. That's why, although Glenn was my favorite character from the very beginning, his death barely registered with me. If they're gonna make the audience wait the better part of a year for the conclusion to one scene, and everyone's already convinced Glenn will die because he does in the comics, then how can that be a surprise? Which brings me to your other point, which is the show's adherence to the comic book's storyline. They really really need to just drop the comics.
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