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Post by MCDemuth on Mar 22, 2019 8:03:34 GMT
B) As to you experiences: Occam's Razor - What is an example of Occam's razor? Best Explanation Is the Simplest. Some examples of Occam's razor include the following: Event: One of the fence posts is broken. Of possible explanations a) A moose ran through it or b) Some screws fell out of it because it is old, "b" is the likelier explanation. "Best Explanation" BY WHO? The skeptics? Actually... "best" has nothing to do with "Occam's razor": " Occam's razor is the problem-solving principle that essentially states that "simpler solutions are more likely to be correct than complex ones." When presented with competing hypotheses to solve a problem, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor"Fewest Assumptions"? 1.) Something is slamming against the walls in your home, which many witnesses heard. or 2.) Slabs of limestone in the ground are rubbing against each other due to an earthquake which is sending electrical currents into the walls of your house, which is causing the walls to bang loudly... (Just Something the famous Dr. William Roll would say... And, BTW, Even that die hard skeptical PHD scientist, could NOT explain away all paranormal claims he investigated!) Why attribute to ghosts things that can be explained simply by perfectly logical things? Sounds are just sounds. Things moving are just things moving. Cold spots are just cold spots. Feelings are just feelings. There's nothing supernatural about any of that other that what we bring to it with our own imaginations and superstitions, even when we're not aware we're doing it. " Sounds are just sounds... Things moving are just things moving... Cold spots are just cold spots... Feelings are just feelings..." ROTFWL! - So if you hear someone talking or screaming and no one is there... That just "happens" around you in YOUR life? - So if objects are thrown at you, or you see a loaf of bread flying through the air, and no one is there... That just "happens" around you in YOUR life? - So if there is a freezing cold room in your house on the hottest day of the year, when your air conditioner is a POS... That just "happens" around you in YOUR life? AND... Are YOU such an "expert" on feeling as though someone is watching YOU all the time... that you know for sure that other people are "mistaken" when they feel the same thing? THAT is the BIGGEST bunch of BS I have ever heard anyone ever say here! Do yourself a favor, and just shut the fuck up, before you lose any more credibility!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 8:03:39 GMT
I duno but Kim Kardashians are real
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 8:15:50 GMT
B) As to you experiences: Occam's Razor - What is an example of Occam's razor? Best Explanation Is the Simplest. Some examples of Occam's razor include the following: Event: One of the fence posts is broken. Of possible explanations a) A moose ran through it or b) Some screws fell out of it because it is old, "b" is the likelier explanation. "Best Explanation" BY WHO? The skeptics? Actually... "best" has nothing to do with "Occam's razor": " Occam's razor is the problem-solving principle that essentially states that "simpler solutions are more likely to be correct than complex ones." When presented with competing hypotheses to solve a problem, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor"Fewest Assumptions"? 1.) Something is slamming against the walls in your home, which many witnesses heard. or 2.) Slabs of limestone in the ground are rubbing against each other due to an earthquake which is sending electrical currents into the walls of your house, which is causing the walls to bang loudly... (Just Something the famous Dr. William Roll would say... And, BTW, Even that die hard skeptical PHD scientist, could NOT explain away all paranormal claims he investigated!) Why attribute to ghosts things that can be explained simply by perfectly logical things? Sounds are just sounds. Things moving are just things moving. Cold spots are just cold spots. Feelings are just feelings. There's nothing supernatural about any of that other that what we bring to it with our own imaginations and superstitions, even when we're not aware we're doing it. " Sounds are just sounds... Things moving are just things moving... Cold spots are just cold spots... Feelings are just feelings..." ROTFWL! - So if you hear someone talking or screaming and no one is there... That just "happens" around you in YOUR life? - So if objects are thrown at you, or you see a loaf of bread flying through the air, and no one is there... That just "happens" around you in YOUR life? - So if there is a freezing cold room in your house on the hottest day of the year, when your air conditioner is a POS... That just "happens" around you in YOUR life? AND... Are YOU such an "expert" on feeling as though someone is watching YOU all the time... that you know for sure that other people are "mistaken" when they feel the same thing? THAT is the BIGGEST bunch of BS I have ever heard anyone ever say here! Do yourself a favor, and just shut the fuck up, before you lose any more credibility! triggered lol
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 22, 2019 8:29:41 GMT
No. I've seen no compelling evidence that spirits or souls of people exist. It's a fun idea, though. I must admit that, so far, the only spirits I've encountered come in a glass. I expect the more of the one kind of spirit you have, the more likely it is that you'll encounter the other kind.
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Post by MCDemuth on Mar 22, 2019 9:13:10 GMT
I don't sweat you, or your worthless comments! LOL!
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Post by MCDemuth on Mar 22, 2019 9:30:26 GMT
" Sounds are just sounds" huh? Watch the last segment called "The Entity" aka "Three Partners Ranch", which starts at approximately 33 Minutes, of this episode of "Unsolved Mysteries": " Dr. William Roll, a noted parapsychologist, was asked by the three cowboys to investigate the entity and the strange happenings at the ranch. Dr. Roll studied the location and noticed it was located on limestone bedrock, postulating that the "Peltier Effect" was the cause of the strange, loud sounds. The effect occurs when water seeps between underground slabs of limestone and causes them to shift, expand and contract. The resulting reaction causes real noises along with an electromagnetic field that can effect the human mind. The activity resulted in the cowboys believing that they were hearing auditory activity." unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Three_Partners_Ranch"REAL NOISES" : During the episode segment, Dr. William Roll, ADMITTED, to recording a number of sonic effects from "BANGS" to "BOOMS" to "MILDER SOUNDS"... " The most striking of these was associated with a sudden increase in the magnetic fields in the house". OK... MAYBE... their ranch house isn't haunted by "Ghosts"...' ' But Sledgehammer blows on the walls of your home? Come On... That isn't normal! Even if skeptics don't believe, they need to show SOME fucking respect for people who have to live with that crap! Anyone remember the "Queen Mary" episode episode where Dr. William Roll HEARD strange sounds in the bow of the ship... I suppose the die hard skeptical PHD scientist was just "mistaken" too, because " Sounds are just sounds", right? But, then, How do you explain the taped recording they made in the sealed off bow, which lasted for two minutes, which even he, could not explain away with his usual "Peltier Effect" TYPE explanations?
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Post by Caesium137 on Mar 22, 2019 9:53:40 GMT
No. Standard model of particle physics has shown every real world physical interaction possible and explained the origin of which particle caused it. Therefore, theres no ushc things as psychic spoon bending, telekinesis or ghosts that interact with the real world.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 22, 2019 10:32:09 GMT
I must admit that, so far, the only spirits I've encountered come in a glass.I expect the more of the one kind of spirit you have, the more likely it is that you'll encounter the other kind. Just don't drink too much, or you will see visions.
Or smoke too much... Or whatever you do with the other stuff that can cause such outcomes.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 22, 2019 11:03:15 GMT
Or smoke too much... Or whatever you do with the other stuff that can cause such outcomes. One is best to keep it real and with total clarity. I gave up the grog 10yrs ago and the wacky stuff 24. Already ruined enough brain cells. I tried Mary Jane in my youth, but simply didn't like it. I have always enjoyed alcohol, although infrequently and irregularly and never in excess.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 22, 2019 11:21:11 GMT
I tried Mary Jane in my youth, but simply didn't like it. I have always enjoyed alcohol, although infrequently and irregularly and never in excess. I sometimes miss a beer or a glass or wine, but that is just a temptation. I don't really need it.
Especially when there's so many other temptations to choose from.
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Post by hi224 on Mar 22, 2019 14:02:58 GMT
Yep.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 22, 2019 14:24:42 GMT
Best Explanation Is the Simplest. "Best Explanation" BY WHO? The skeptics? Why attribute to ghosts things that can be explained simply by perfectly logical things? Sounds are just sounds. Things moving are just things moving. Cold spots are just cold spots. Feelings are just feelings. There's nothing supernatural about any of that other that what we bring to it with our own imaginations and superstitions, even when we're not aware we're doing it. " Sounds are just sounds... Things moving are just things moving... Cold spots are just cold spots... Feelings are just feelings..." ROTFWL! - So if you hear someone talking or screaming and no one is there... That just "happens" around you in YOUR life? - So if objects are thrown at you, or you see a loaf of bread flying through the air, and no one is there... That just "happens" around you in YOUR life? - So if there is a freezing cold room in your house on the hottest day of the year, when your air conditioner is a POS... That just "happens" around you in YOUR life? AND... Are YOU such an "expert" on feeling as though someone is watching YOU all the time... that you know for sure that other people are "mistaken" when they feel the same thing? THAT is the BIGGEST bunch of BS I have ever heard anyone ever say here! Do yourself a favor, and just shut the fuck up, before you lose any more credibility! 1) First of all whats with all the "shut the fuck up" crap? Are you personally insulted for some reason? Did I specifically call you an asshole or something? Whats your problem? You got issues or something?
And How the hell am I losing credibility? Because I disagree with you I have no credibility? I don't think you know what that word means.
2) The word BEST was in the definition I found for Occams Razor. It wasn't MY word. And not best by skeptics. Best by just simple logic.
3) ROTFWL?! YOU'RE the one who believes in ghosts and you're ROTFWLing ME? THATS FUCKING HILARIOUS!!! I cant tell you who hard me and my friends laughed when I showed them that! ROTFWL!!!
So if you hear someone talking or screaming and no one is there... That just "happens" around you in YOUR life?
I did NOT say that. That's your misinterpretation of what I said. Sounds travel all the time. There are tons of reasons why sounds travel, tons of perfectly scientifically provable and reproducible explanations. Ghosts not included. - So if objects are thrown at you, or you see a loaf of bread flying through the air, and no one is there... That just "happens" around you in YOUR life?
Again I did NOT say that. Again that's your misinterpretation of what I said. Flying bread... I'll believe it when I see it. And I'll even go as far as to say YOU'VE never seen that either. I'd bet money on it. No, bread doesn't fly in my life. ROTFWL! - So if there is a freezing cold room in your house on the hottest day of the year, when your air conditioner is a POS... That just "happens" around you in YOUR life?
Again I did NOT say that. Again that's your misinterpretation of what I said. And I'll also bet here that you've never been in a freezer locker cold room in your house when it was hot everywhere else. But even if you were there are still many ways to explain that don't include anything supernatural. I have a room in my house that always colder than any other. It vexed me a for a long time. Until I figured out that A) it has more air vents than any other room, and B) it doesn't get the same amount of sun throughout the day because its in the shaded back side of the house.
AND... Are YOU such an "expert" on feeling as though someone is watching YOU all the time... that you know for sure that other people are "mistaken" when they feel the same thing?
Again I did NOT say that. AGAIN that's your misinterpretation of what I said. If you feel like someone is watching you and there's no one around how the heck do you jump to the conclusion that it must be a ghost first? What kinda crazy is that? Why not just take a look around and see that NO ONE IS WATCHING YOU!? You would rather believe "ghost" than what your own eyes are telling you that there's no one in the room?!
AND YOUR ROTFWLING ME!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Why don't YOU shut the fuck up before you lose more sanity?!
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 22, 2019 14:33:42 GMT
Why attribute to ghosts things that can be explained simply by perfectly logical things? Sounds are just sounds. Things moving are just things moving. Cold spots are just cold spots. Feelings are just feelings. There's nothing supernatural about any of that other that what we bring to it with our own imaginations and superstitions, even when we're not aware we're doing it.
Simply because logic does not explain everything whether we want it to and would prefer it to or not, lenlenlen1 . Non-believers experience things. It's not like the cases of only Catholics seeing the Virgin Mary. Nalkarj
Can you de-bunk the stories posted by Nalkarj ? Still waiting for an easy to find explanation to those. 1) Logic explains WAAAAAAAY more things than the supernatural does. WAAAAAAY more!
2) And I will NOT debunk anyones stories because A) I was not there and do not have the information or means to do so, and B) I don't want to PERSONALLY offend anyone (except for dumbasses who ROTFWL me, LOL). Plus, I like Nalkarj.
But we can agree to disagree.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 22, 2019 15:22:44 GMT
Yes, lenlenlen1, "logic" explains a lot but not everything. Just as "humor" is often appropriate but not always. There are some occurrences that are just not explainable by any means, be it logic or scientific testing, but they do happen and they happen to people who would really rather they not experience them whatever the explanation is. Often they can be looked back on as "well, that was odd. That was cool. That is totally without explanation " and they would be interesting, and perhaps informative, to tell others about BUT in the telling the response is all too often along the lines of "you are crazy", "you were drunk", "you are an idiot for even thinking this thing happened" and so the stories are not shared. It is very likely that there are a heck of a lot of stories that are not being told (except perhaps in a more private setting) because of the backlash that all too often follows the telling. As far as debunking anyone's inexplicable experience … it's so much easier to make a blanket statement of "you are mistaken!" and considering the case closed.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 22, 2019 15:29:52 GMT
A: "People who claim to have seen them or experienced ghost encounters are either mistaken, delusional, or "stretching the truth" to get attention. Never underestimate the power of the desire for attention as a motivator of human behavior." B: "What about the people who don't "believe in ghosts" have no "interest" in ghosts and yet have experienced things that can only be explained as being "ghostly" or "spirits" and who are reluctant to tell about these experiences? " A: "They fall into the mistaken category" B: "Maybe"
NOT pickin' on ya, "A" … This exchange just sums it up so well for me
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 22, 2019 15:35:51 GMT
I was at a family wedding in a village when I was 9 or 10. One of our cousins used to tell ghost stories famous in that village to us before we went to sleep. Next day there was some function on the ground floor in the courtyard. I went to the roof of the house which was just a small house of 1 floor. I felt as if I saw two witches in white dresses dancing in front of me. It felt blood was dripping from their lips. I was so scared that I didn't turn back to go downstairs using the stairs. I just jumped from over the building and crashed into the function going below. Didn't injure too seriously because the ground was made of mud. But boy I was scared and everyone was bloody surprised to see a kid land all the way from the top of the building. Just 4 weeks of injury.
Now I believe it must have been my imagination. I was very thin. Almost undernutritioned. My mind was weak and I just imagined things. But it's one of the great memories of my life.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 22, 2019 15:45:58 GMT
Yes, lenlenlen1 , "logic" explains a lot but not everything. Just as "humor" is often appropriate but not always. There are some occurrences that are just not explainable by any means, be it logic or scientific testing, but they do happen and they happen to people who would really rather they not experience them whatever the explanation is. Often they can be looked back on as "well, that was odd. That was cool. That is totally without explanation " and they would be interesting, and perhaps informative, to tell others about BUT in the telling the response is all too often along the lines of "you are crazy", "you were drunk", "you are an idiot for even thinking this thing happened" and so the stories are not shared. It is very likely that there are a heck of a lot of stories that are not being told (except perhaps in a more private setting) because of the backlash that all too often follows the telling. As far as debunking anyone's inexplicable experience … it's so much easier to make a blanket statement of "you are mistaken!" and considering the case closed.
Okay let me comment on this "backlash" thing.
I'm not calling anyone an asshole for believing, I'm not saying your retarded for believing, I'm not saying any of that. Nor did I say "you are crazy", "you were drunk", "you are an idiot for even thinking this thing happened".
If my TONE comes off that way then I apologize for THAT, but I wont apologize, for defending reason and logic. We have too little of that nowadays. Its like we're going backwards lately. Is science, logic and common sense so hard that superstition and magic are better? WTF?
As far as debunking anyone's inexplicable experience … it's so much easier to just believe without proof, than to question things and have your accepted beliefs challenged. If your accepted beliefs cant stand up to challenge then what are they worth?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 22, 2019 15:54:00 GMT
Here's some more food for thought...
This from a simple Google search.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 22, 2019 16:00:06 GMT
lenlenlen1As for the backlash issue: Was not referring to you alone or personally … it's all too often the general reaction to any telling of "un-explainable" experiences. Some of the questioning BY the one who experienced these things is BECAUSE there just simply is no logical or reasoning explanation for the occurrence. When someone does step up and tell their tale .. they are met with the dismissive commentary cited earlier. Are these people simply mistaken ? Maybe ! But there has to be more to it than that.
More specifically : RE: POINT is … these things happen and are being questioned as to why and how and what was going on. They happen to people who do NOT "believe in ghosts, spirits, the supernatural" and yet they DID happen !
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 22, 2019 16:04:33 GMT
lenlenlen1These experiences have nothing to do with "false memories" (imo) and that is a whole 'nuther subject as was "Hear hoofbeats ? Think horses, not zebras."
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