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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 28, 2018 8:05:25 GMT
Oh yeah they did have a talk with Mel Gibson. I'm surprised that he's still getting work after his racist and anti-Semitism rant.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 28, 2018 13:22:09 GMT
I genuinely thought this was gonna be a Zack Snyder joke before I saw who was posting. nah brah, that's just your brain's special wiring hoping to see things that are not there. Snyder with Watchmen & Co is simply too decent and exceptional a filmmaker even with his lesser films. Also, I'm not aware of any rape comments or blatant misogyny coming from his. He inter alia helped create WW in BvS and WW, you may confuse his input with the J Whedon hack job of a script. Thanks for the brainfart anyway, happens to the best of us, pal. Rape comments: he famously talked about Batman being raped in prison. Misongyny: added the empowered Queen of Sparta trading her body for violent sex with McNulty to 300, which wasn't in the comic.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 28, 2018 13:52:51 GMT
nah brah, that's just your brain's special wiring hoping to see things that are not there. Snyder with Watchmen & Co is simply too decent and exceptional a filmmaker even with his lesser films. Also, I'm not aware of any rape comments or blatant misogyny coming from his. He inter alia helped create WW in BvS and WW, you may confuse his input with the J Whedon hack job of a script. Thanks for the brainfart anyway, happens to the best of us, pal. Rape comments: he famously talked about Batman being raped in prison. Misongyny: added the empowered Queen of Sparta trading sex with McNulty to 300, which wasn't in the comic. sounds pretty tame how you present it. When I talk rape and misogyny I mean more on depraved James Gunn level. Meaning talking about rape in a positive and jokey way and endorsing it. Eg in Guardians of the Raccoon Turd Vol. 2 Gunn's alter ego character constantly belittles and insults a young woman during the film with how hideous she is culminating in him saying "Do not believe in yourself, believe in me who believes in you!". Yeah girls, you need a man to know your worth - this is core misogyny as defined as "feelings of hating women, or the belief that men are better than women", not as in "sexual exploitation" of the human body (or any film that uses a half-naked man/woman was sexist). I give you a few examples of James "Did you create a penis" Gunn, please try to provide adequate counter examples of Snyder with exact quote/references and elaboration in return:
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 28, 2018 20:26:30 GMT
Rape comments: he famously talked about Batman being raped in prison. Misongyny: added the empowered Queen of Sparta trading sex with McNulty to 300, which wasn't in the comic. sounds pretty tame how you present it. When I talk rape and misogyny I mean more on depraved James Gunn level. Meaning talking about rape in a positive and jokey way and endorsing it. Eg in Guardians of the Raccoon Turd Vol. 2 Gunn's alter ego character constantly belittles and insults a young woman during the film with how hideous she is culminating in him saying "Do not believe in yourself, believe in me who believes in you!". Yeah girls, you need a man to know your worth - this is core misogyny as defined as "feelings of hating women, or the belief that men are better than women", not as in "sexual exploitation" of the human body (or any film that uses a half-naked man/woman was sexist). No wonder you hate the turd line so much. The joke isn't that he said "turds", it's that he's such a douche that he'd brag about the size of them. Likewise, you're not supposed to be taking anything he says toward Mantis seriously. a. She's pretty cute, as far as aliens go. b. He looks like...what he looks like. c. Again, he's a douche. Which takes us back to Gunn, who also said things people weren't supposed to take seriously. When Snyder talks about Batman being raped in prison as proof he's darker than Christopher Nolan, he's 100% serious. And taking the only strong female character in 300 and making her a "whore" is a little more than "exploitation of the human body" - that's why I didn't bring up all the ass shots of Wonder Woman in Justice League. And if I weren't tired when I last replied to you, I would have brought up all two hours of Suckerpunch. By the way, Super is a better deconstruction of the superhero genre than Snyder's fetishistic adaptation of the Watchmen comic. In fact, the only good Snyder movie is the one James Gunn wrote.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 28, 2018 21:13:43 GMT
sounds pretty tame how you present it. When I talk rape and misogyny I mean more on depraved James Gunn level. Meaning talking about rape in a positive and jokey way and endorsing it. Eg in Guardians of the Raccoon Turd Vol. 2 Gunn's alter ego character constantly belittles and insults a young woman during the film with how hideous she is culminating in him saying "Do not believe in yourself, believe in me who believes in you!". Yeah girls, you need a man to know your worth - this is core misogyny as defined as "feelings of hating women, or the belief that men are better than women", not as in "sexual exploitation" of the human body (or any film that uses a half-naked man/woman was sexist). No wonder you hate the turd line so much. The joke isn't that he said "turds", it's that he's such a douche that he'd brag about the size of them. L ikewise, you're not supposed to be taking anything he says toward Mantis seriously. a. She's pretty cute, as far as aliens go. b. He looks like...what he looks like. c. Again, he's a douche. funny and there I though the entre point of this sorry character was that he takes everything literal and expressed it so too. Apart from this, do you think any of this would be a valid defense: a protagonists systematically demeaning women in a children film is ok because he is a douche and cannot be taken seriously and she is cute? You must be fun at parties with females attendees. Anyway, the writing is indeed so abysmal that I do not take Gunn's lowbrow hackery seriously. However, his private child rape rants or endorsements of pedophiles and Nambla I do take seriously. As Disney did. sure, if you say so. So, for the record, you do not have anything to substantiate your Snyder brainfart of before, but you defend explicit child rape & misogyny when it comes from Gunn in tweets and movies because - again - they cannot be taken seriously? Interesting. Isn't there a logical fallacy concerning this line of logic? Btw do you consider holocaust denial and killing Jews not serious too when it comes disguised in joke or quip form? Gunn made a few of these too, albeit tbf he seems vastly more concerned with rape fantasies and pedophilia. sure, and there I thought I just explained the difference between sexual exploitation of male/female figure and misogyny. When you speak of "whores", did you read Gunn's comments on Mexican whores too.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 28, 2018 22:15:41 GMT
Tristan's Journal Children's film? It was rated PG-13, mate. I think most people 13+ can understand that the punchline is on Drax and not Mantis. Perhaps not you, but that could be a language barrier since you speak Australian. Based on that Holocaust comment, are you actually implying Gunn is a pedophile rapist hiding behind jokes? I expect that kind of argument from DC-Fan, but you should know better. And Disney didn't take the comments seriously. They took the backlash to the comments seriously. You think a $110 billion corporation can't do a simple background check? Come on. If you're expecting me to spin his Batman rape comments into Snyder being a horrible monster like you're doing with Gunn, don't. I'm just pointing out the irony in you saying the DCEU is too good for someone who makes weird rape comments when the entire franchise is built on a guy who said "Batman can be raped in prison in my movie" with utmost sincerity and proudness. You explained that your understanding of misogyny is baseline. Of course, simplifying the word is probably second nature to you based on the SW boards. "Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including social exclusion, sex discrimination, hostility, androcentrism, patriarchy, male privilege, belittling of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification." How many boxes does Suckerpunch check? Or adding an all-new subplot where the Queen of Sparta gets reduced to trading sex? Meanwhile, the most sexist thing you can come up with in Gunn's movies is Drax the jackass complaining that Mantis is hideous when she clearly isn't. Not working.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 29, 2018 11:16:24 GMT
Fuck yeah! Get him to make a Lobo movie! That's actually not bad. Or maybe the Suicide Squad movies. Never thought of that. Good pick! I bet his Suicide Squad film would be a lot better than the first film and since it's WB/DC he doesn't have to worry about censoring himself.
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Post by hobowar on Jul 29, 2018 22:56:45 GMT
Why not? They guy has proven he has a clear vision and can make hit movies. I say WB should buy Gunn now when his cost is low and make some bank. I would bet my life that this is going to happen. WB have absolutely no shame.
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Post by hobowar on Jul 29, 2018 23:01:02 GMT
seriously, with all the talent running in WB/DC's door to direct a DCEU film, why would they ever want to catch MCU's foulest fruit in free fall...?
Why would DCEU, which just introduced the first female-led and female-directed CMB milestone, want an depraved manchild known for his misogynistic characters, creepy rape comments and penis, turd & nipples dialogue?
Aside from Pedogate, James "I have senitive nipple" Gunn is the epitome of a hack. His movie output is mediocre at best, and his GotG films are raccoon turds floating at the shallow end of the kiddy pool.
Dance off, you big turd blossom! DCEU does not need you.
"Why would DCEU, which just introduced the first female-led and female-directed CMB milestone, want an depraved manchild known for his misogynistic characters, creepy rape comments and penis, turd & nipples dialogue?" Because they desperately want to be Disney. Gunn could be proven rapist and WB wouldn't give a shit.
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