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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 21:40:47 GMT
It should have been a stand alone trilogy akin to the Dark Knight trilogy.
The original plan was to have Joaquin Phoenix as Lex in a one off performance like Ledger's Joker in TDK. However, WB decided if they added Batman to the sequel, it would make more money.
So Phoenix dropped out because they wanted lex for multiple films. Then they had Terrio come in and rewrite the entire sequel.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 28, 2018 23:59:18 GMT
Oh, they really were talking to Phoenix about playing Luthor? I thought that was just rumors. Even still, I'd prefer someone like Michael C. Hall as Luthor instead honestly. It's really too bad, and kind of ironic, they probably had enough footage to make two Man of Steel movies.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 29, 2018 0:55:56 GMT
It should have been a stand alone trilogy akin to the Dark Knight trilogy. The original plan was to have Joaquin Phoenix as Lex in a one off performance like Ledger's Joker in TDK. However, WB decided if they added Batman to the sequel, it would make more money. So Phoenix dropped out because they wanted lex for multiple films. Then they had Terrio come in and rewrite the entire sequel. I think the Justice League story could have worked if they started it in Man of Steel. They kinda open the world with the Wayne satellite, but it was clearly an easter egg like the Booster Gold thing. |
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Post by summers8 on Jul 29, 2018 3:56:38 GMT
It should have been a stand alone trilogy akin to the Dark Knight trilogy. The original plan was to have Joaquin Phoenix as Lex in a one off performance like Ledger's Joker in TDK. However, WB decided if they added Batman to the sequel, it would make more money. So Phoenix dropped out because they wanted lex for multiple films. Then they had Terrio come in and rewrite the entire sequel. Well Phoenix now has the chance to match TDK, he is already on the right part by distancing the joker movie from the current garbage comic films of today. look on the brighter side, in 2013 Man of Steel was less controversial than Iron Man 3. he fits Joker than Lex. There could method acting for Joker.
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Post by NormanClature on Jul 29, 2018 9:42:22 GMT
MoS was predicted by the studio to gross over $1 billion worldwide. It underperformed badly and a lot of people didn't like it. WB had to try something different. Unfortunately they left Hack Snyder at the helm and he fucked that up royally too.  |
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 29, 2018 13:18:29 GMT
It should have been a stand alone trilogy akin to the Dark Knight trilogy. The original plan was to have Joaquin Phoenix as Lex in a one off performance like Ledger's Joker in TDK. However, WB decided if they added Batman to the sequel, it would make more money. So Phoenix dropped out because they wanted lex for multiple films. Then they had Terrio come in and rewrite the entire sequel. To make more would only have encouraged them to make such bad movies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 13:57:17 GMT
It should have been a stand alone trilogy akin to the Dark Knight trilogy. The original plan was to have Joaquin Phoenix as Lex in a one off performance like Ledger's Joker in TDK. However, WB decided if they added Batman to the sequel, it would make more money. So Phoenix dropped out because they wanted lex for multiple films. Then they had Terrio come in and rewrite the entire sequel. To make more would only have encouraged them to make such bad movies. Man of Steel was better than anything I've seen from the MCU, so yeah, I wish it was a trilogy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 13:59:09 GMT
MoS was predicted by the studio to gross over $1 billion worldwide. It underperformed badly and a lot of people didn't like it. WB had to try something different. Unfortunately they left Hack Snyder at the helm and he fucked that up royally too. Yeah because 75% Audience Rating and grossing nearly 700M is down right terrible... You do know MoS grossed more than every phase 1 MCU film except Avengers. |
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 29, 2018 14:09:59 GMT
To make more would only have encouraged them to make such bad movies. Man of Steel was better than anything I've seen from the MCU, so yeah, I wish it was a trilogy. There's a problem when you measure quality only by comparing it to something you don't like. |
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Post by politicidal on Jul 29, 2018 14:50:38 GMT
Geoff Johns talks about a sequel in this interview:
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Post by northernlad on Jul 29, 2018 14:59:09 GMT
I agree with you. I think they should have given us a sequel to Man of Steel but they shouldn't have allowed Zack Snyder to have control of it for sure.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 29, 2018 16:34:51 GMT
If they do make a sequel, would that be the longest period between superhero films getting the first sequel? It'd be minimum 7, 8 years. Cavill's still young enough for that not to be an issue necessarily but time flies, WB.
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Post by NormanClature on Jul 29, 2018 17:01:23 GMT
MoS was predicted by the studio to gross over $1 billion worldwide. It underperformed badly and a lot of people didn't like it. WB had to try something different. Unfortunately they left Hack Snyder at the helm and he fucked that up royally too. Yeah because 75% Audience Rating and grossing nearly 700M is down right terrible... You do know MoS grossed more than every phase 1 MCU film except Avengers. Audience ratings are irrelevant and if you think they aren't, 75% is still shitty. Even Thor: The Dark World managed 77%.
According to Variety, MoS made a total profit of $42.7 million including Blu-rays, toy sales etc. etc. That means WB were actually down money on it's theatrical run. Considering they were predicting a worldwide gross over over $1 billion, that is a fail.
Yes, I am aware that a Superman (one of our most iconic superheroes) movie outgrossed a few movies about less established, less well known superheroes. At the time, public perception of those early MCU movies was good and people could see they were building towards something much bigger and better. That was exciting and new. The MCU took things slowly and they are reaping the rewards of their patience. Public perception is very important - you only need to look at BvS to see that. It may have underperformed but it still grossed over $850 million worldwide. The public didn't like it and the referendum on that was the Justice League box office. If WB had chosen to go ahead with MoS 2, it would probably have grossed less than MoS.....even in the unlikely event of it being good. They had the right idea but not sacking Hack Snyder was box office suicide. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 29, 2018 17:17:55 GMT
Zack Snyder has already stated that he was the one who decided to bring in Batman for the sequel, and Jay Olivia has supported that claim.
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Post by NormanClature on Jul 29, 2018 20:33:15 GMT
Zack Snyder has already stated that he was the one who decided to bring in Batman for the sequel, and Jay Olivia has supported that claim. There was probably a group of people sat around a table deciding how they could best steady the ship. Who came up with the idea they all agreed to go with isn't all that relevant. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 29, 2018 21:45:19 GMT
I like to think the Snyder trilogy as a origin, rise & fall and rebirth arc:
(i) with MoS being the origin story where he has to find himself torn between his fathers and worlds and their legacy. He finds himself at the end (with a smile as last shot).
(ii) the second act (BvS) is where he becomes a bigger-than-Jesus Rockstar and faces antagonism from his own vigilante ranks and enemies, so that he makes mistakes (he is no God) and has to rediscover his parents' basic values and - in the end - gives his life as ultimate sacrifice - and this initiates something bigger (the JL).
(iii) And finally (JL), the resurrection and rebirth as member of the JL he helped create, and the character arc is complete: he is the boy scout superman from the comics.
In the end one of the artistically more interesting trilogies out there, at least in this genre.
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Post by hobowar on Jul 29, 2018 21:58:33 GMT
It should have been a stand alone trilogy akin to the Dark Knight trilogy. The original plan was to have Joaquin Phoenix as Lex in a one off performance like Ledger's Joker in TDK. However, WB decided if they added Batman to the sequel, it would make more money. So Phoenix dropped out because they wanted lex for multiple films. Then they had Terrio come in and rewrite the entire sequel. I didn't think anything could be worse than Man of Steel... Then Batman v Superman happened.  |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 30, 2018 3:07:53 GMT
I like to think the Snyder trilogy as a origin, rise & fall and rebirth arc: (i) with MoS being the origin story where he has to find himself torn between his fathers and worlds and their legacy. He finds himself at the end (with a smile as last shot). (ii) the second act (BvS) is where he becomes a bigger-than-Jesus Rockstar and faces antagonism from his own vigilante ranks and enemies, so that he makes mistakes (he is no God) and has to rediscover his parents' basic values and - in the end - gives his life as ultimate sacrifice - and this initiates something bigger (the JL). (iii) And finally (JL), the resurrection and rebirth as member of the JL he helped create, and the character arc is complete: he is the boy scout superman from the comics. In the end one of the artistically more interesting trilogies out there, at least in this genre. Speaking of Jesus, there's a pretty obvious allegory here. MoS retreads a lot of the Christ parallels from the 78 film. In BvS, the very Jewish version of Lex Luthor causes his death, which is ultimately a sacrifice. Then JL is the second coming during the "Apokolips". Trilogy done. I don't get threads like these. What, a MoS sequel would have been better if it DIDN'T have Batman? What kind of logic is that? He was the best thing about the film. A MoS sequel would have been better with a better Superman. |
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 30, 2018 12:16:32 GMT
I like to think the Snyder trilogy as a origin, rise & fall and rebirth arc: (i) with MoS being the origin story where he has to find himself torn between his fathers and worlds and their legacy. He finds himself at the end (with a smile as last shot). (ii) the second act (BvS) is where he becomes a bigger-than-Jesus Rockstar and faces antagonism from his own vigilante ranks and enemies, so that he makes mistakes (he is no God) and has to rediscover his parents' basic values and - in the end - gives his life as ultimate sacrifice - and this initiates something bigger (the JL). (iii) And finally (JL), the resurrection and rebirth as member of the JL he helped create, and the character arc is complete: he is the boy scout superman from the comics. In the end one of the artistically more interesting trilogies out there, at least in this genre. Wouldn't it be better if you didn't have to "like to think" that? |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 30, 2018 13:04:36 GMT
Zack Snyder has already stated that he was the one who decided to bring in Batman for the sequel, and Jay Olivia has supported that claim. There was probably a group of people sat around a table deciding how they could best steady the ship. Who came up with the idea they all agreed to go with isn't all that relevant. Jay Olivia said that he saw storyboards for BvS before MoS had even been released. |
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