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Post by bud47 on Oct 16, 2018 20:21:30 GMT
This is true when you look at phase 1 films before the first Avengers in 2012 when Disney didnt own them. Iron man 1, Thor 1, Incredible Hulk and Captain America 1 all had grounded stories explained by science with a darker colour schematic compared to the later films after Disney took over. The contrast is clear to see how Disney transformed the MCU into their mould and it doesnt get any more obvious, in when they decided to give Captain America that ridiculous bright blue spandex suit in The Avengers instead of his more military appropriate gear from The First Avenger. And yet he ditches the spandex suit from The Avengers in The Winter Soldier and again in Civil War, and those were distributed from Disney. I think Cap's suit in the first Avengers film was simply a result of Joss Whedon and Kevin Feige being comic book fanboys and wanting to see a somewhat comic accurate look for him when the Avengers first assembled on screen. It had nothing to do with Disney's influence. I'm sure it would have looked better if Chris Evans had filled out the suit with a little more mass and muscle. It looked fine in the concept art and in the film, it looked ok, especially without the helmet. He better stay away from the next Avengers film, it looks like that suit is making a comeback.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 16, 2018 20:51:50 GMT
I am not hateful towards color, my problem with mcu color is , it is too much to the point of unrealistic and only there to look good for kids. Well they are unrealistic places. In Guardians of the Galaxy they go to a place that's a Celestials head and other worlds. Thor has gone to other realms. Doctor Strange has gone to other dimensions. Star Trek was colourful. Same with Star Wars, they went to all manner of vibrant looking worlds. It's not Aliens, they can't be dark and gloomy looking. This is true when you look at phase 1 films before the first Avengers in 2012 when Disney didnt own them. Iron man 1, Thor 1, Incredible Hulk and Captain America 1 all had grounded stories explained by science with a darker colour schematic compared to the later films after Disney took over. Thor shouldn't be a grounded story explained by science though. The guy is a God from another realm with a magic hammer. It was a mistake to have so much of the first movie with him in some small town in New Mexico. Comics aren't usually grounded so why do all the movies have to be? Who wants a grounded Doctor Strange movie? that is not colour, that is a scene from a planet. star trek is grounded hard sci fi. the best way to know this is during their space battles that requires CGI. they dont look like mcu movies, they are not cartoonish. they are pretty sleek
star wars is not cartoonish either, also why I said for xmen, star trek is a better influence than star wars when it comes to technicality.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 16, 2018 20:56:50 GMT
And yet he ditches the spandex suit from The Avengers in The Winter Soldier and again in Civil War, and those were distributed from Disney. I think Cap's suit in the first Avengers film was simply a result of Joss Whedon and Kevin Feige being comic book fanboys and wanting to see a somewhat comic accurate look for him when the Avengers first assembled on screen. It had nothing to do with Disney's influence. I'm sure it would have looked better if Chris Evans had filled out the suit with a little more mass and muscle. It looked fine in the concept art and in the film, it looked ok, especially without the helmet. He better stay away from the next Avengers film, it looks like that suit is making a comeback. you need to stop deflecting the topic, it is pathetic. the topic was mcu failure to make quality good stuff, that even an xmen cartoon ranks superior talkless of their films that followed the model of xmen tas.
try and discuss that instead of attacking people like Laura because she has a higher IQ than kevin feige under disney and the disgraced mcu brand.
what year was tdk out again?
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Post by charzhino on Oct 16, 2018 21:03:24 GMT
This is true when you look at phase 1 films before the first Avengers in 2012 when Disney didnt own them. Iron man 1, Thor 1, Incredible Hulk and Captain America 1 all had grounded stories explained by science with a darker colour schematic compared to the later films after Disney took over. The contrast is clear to see how Disney transformed the MCU into their mould and it doesnt get any more obvious, in when they decided to give Captain America that ridiculous bright blue spandex suit in The Avengers instead of his more military appropriate gear from The First Avenger. And yet he ditches the spandex suit from The Avengers in The Winter Soldier and again in Civil War, and those were distributed from Disney. They rectified the mistake but no coincidence it was introduced soon as Disney came in. Same with Spidermans suit. So bright and fake looking. Can only imagine the horror theyl make Wolverine wear.
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Post by scabab on Oct 16, 2018 21:05:15 GMT
that is not colour, that is a scene from a planet. star trek is grounded hard sci fi. It's colourful to me it's a world full of red. Guardians of the Galaxy ain't a grounded hard Sci-Fi movie in the first place. It has a talking Tree, Racoon and Duck in it. There was an army of teddy bears in the sixth one! The prequels were every bit as cartoonish as Guardians of the Galaxy. You cant tell me people like Grandmaster,Thor, Valkiriy or Hela felt like real grounded characters or Sakaar felt plausible. It all seemed too phony with the excessive bright colours and characters behaving like bufoons. Lost all the heart. I wouldn't say Sakaar was any more plausible than the giant four legged ice monster no. Is Grandmaster any less plausible than The Collector? That way went for an entirely different time though so it is meant to be different.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 16, 2018 21:09:21 GMT
I think Cap's suit in the first Avengers film was simply a result of Joss Whedon and Kevin Feige being comic book fanboys and wanting to see a somewhat comic accurate look for him when the Avengers first assembled on screen. It had nothing to do with Disney's influence. I'm sure it would have looked better if Chris Evans had filled out the suit with a little more mass and muscle. It looked fine in the concept art and in the film, it looked ok, especially without the helmet. He better stay away from the next Avengers film, it looks like that suit is making a comeback. you need to stop deflecting the topic, it is pathetic. the topic was mcu failure to make quality good stuff, that even an xmen cartoon ranks superior talkless of their films that followed the model of xmen tas.
try and discuss that instead of attacking people like Laura because she has a higher IQ than kevin feige under disney and the disgraced mcu brand.
what year was tdk out again?
Wormhole, I really set you off, don't I? Glad I still have that effect on you. I say something harmless about Cap's suit in response to a discussion and you go off on a raving rant like usual. The Dark Knight came out in 2008. Are you satisfied now? Because you ask this question a lot. Talk about pathetic. Now answer this - What year did you go off your meds? Was it 2008? Because that seems like an important year for you.
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Post by scabab on Oct 16, 2018 21:16:17 GMT
Same with Spidermans suit. So bright and fake looking. He wears a bright red and blue suit, they're all bright.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 16, 2018 21:57:49 GMT
Same with Spidermans suit. So bright and fake looking. He wears a bright red and blue suit, they're all bright. He only has a problem with the MCU once since...Disney. According to leaked set pics, he wears a darker/less colorful suit and even a SHIELD stealth suit in the sequel, but he'll just find another reason to hate it.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 17, 2018 7:40:54 GMT
Yeah lets jUsT ignore all the complaints that the spidersuit got when it first appeared in the civil war trailer.
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Post by scabab on Oct 17, 2018 15:44:07 GMT
Weren't the complaints about how CGI looked? Something that was improved for the final version like how is generally always the case nowadays.
The eyes were the other thing. The design of the costume and the colouring of it I never saw any issues for though.
Almost all the costumes got complaints, the Raimi suit did and the TASM1 costume did.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 18, 2018 7:41:11 GMT
you need to stop deflecting the topic, it is pathetic. the topic was mcu failure to make quality good stuff, that even an xmen cartoon ranks superior talkless of their films that followed the model of xmen tas.
try and discuss that instead of attacking people like Laura because she has a higher IQ than kevin feige under disney and the disgraced mcu brand.
what year was tdk out again?
Wormhole, I really set you off, don't I? Glad I still have that effect on you. I say something harmless about Cap's suit in response to a discussion and you go off on a raving rant like usual. The Dark Knight came out in 2008. Are you satisfied now? Because you ask this question a lot. Talk about pathetic. Now answer this - What year did you go off your meds? Was it 2008? Because that seems like an important year for you. Not on meds, just a film fan of only quality comic movies. and as you can see, people here back me up. what of your meds, only people on meds needs socks account.
get back to the topic's question. surely sane people can. why is TAS such a superior series to MCU movie? why are mcu movies so childish and goofy when a TAS refused to be.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 18, 2018 7:44:39 GMT
Same with Spidermans suit. So bright and fake looking. He wears a bright red and blue suit, they're all bright.
that is the standard colour of spiderman's suit. raimi spiderman movies did not look as fake or as cartoonish looking as mcu movies. that is the difference. this is how to show it.
this is a scene from spiderman 2 on bright day, it is quite grounded.
this is from homecoming. this stuff is a cartoon
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Post by summers8 on Oct 18, 2018 7:48:18 GMT
He wears a bright red and blue suit, they're all bright. He only has a problem with the MCU once since...Disney. According to leaked set pics, he wears a darker/less colorful suit and even a SHIELD stealth suit in the sequel, but he'll just find another reason to hate it. problems with lack of mcu film artistry. they are after all bad movies MCU movies.
see this brash scene from spiderman 1, from a camera angle point, it was realistic. a great illusion, where anyone can actually believe, this dud can climb walls.
Homecoming, believe me I have watched better video game story mode than homecoming. poor mcu fans. they cant even call homecoming a good movie.lol
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Post by scabab on Oct 18, 2018 12:29:01 GMT
that is the standard colour of spiderman's suit. raimi spiderman movies did not look as fake or as cartoonish looking as mcu movies. that is the difference. this is how to show it. [/div] this is a scene from spiderman 2 on bright day, it is quite grounded. this is from homecoming. this stuff is a cartoon[/quote] The scene from Spider-man 2 is set in a darker interior and it's mostly done without CGI in the scene. The scene from Homecoming is actually set in daylight and of course uses more CGI. Not a proper comparison. Since when is being grounded such an important thing to superhero movies now? Spider-man on PS4 wasn't grounded.
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Post by bud47 on Oct 18, 2018 14:55:46 GMT
Wormhole, I really set you off, don't I? Glad I still have that effect on you. I say something harmless about Cap's suit in response to a discussion and you go off on a raving rant like usual. The Dark Knight came out in 2008. Are you satisfied now? Because you ask this question a lot. Talk about pathetic. Now answer this - What year did you go off your meds? Was it 2008? Because that seems like an important year for you. Not on meds, just a film fan of only quality comic movies. and as you can see, people here back me up. what of your meds, only people on meds needs socks account.
get back to the topic's question. surely sane people can. why is TAS such a superior series to MCU movie? why are mcu movies so childish and goofy when a TAS refused to be. Hmm, not on meds. That may be your problem right there. For someone who brings up socks so much, one would think you may be projecting a little. I don't know about how they compare to the MCU, but I certainly wish the Fox-Men movies had been more like the animated series. I gave them the benefit of the doubt for X1 and X2, but after The Last Stand they lost me with the exception of a few bright spots here and there (Deadpool, Logan).
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Post by summers8 on Oct 19, 2018 5:49:56 GMT
that is the standard colour of spiderman's suit. raimi spiderman movies did not look as fake or as cartoonish looking as mcu movies. that is the difference. this is how to show it. [/div] this is a scene from spiderman 2 on bright day, it is quite grounded. this is from homecoming. this stuff is a cartoon[/quote] The scene from Spider-man 2 is set in a darker interior and it's mostly done without CGI in the scene. The scene from Homecoming is actually set in daylight and of course uses more CGI. Not a proper comparison. Since when is being grounded such an important thing to superhero movies now? Spider-man on PS4 wasn't grounded. [/quote][/div] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Since grounded movies became the best comic films, the most respected, the least hated. more importantly grounded films are more exposed in knowing quality and substance. I think this is also why xmen movies and the nolan batman series do quite well in reception outside of the comic movies reception, which let's face it is pretty low now thanks to mcu movies.
take first class for example, the movie was greatly compared to inglorious bastards when it was released. Tarentino himself ranked it among his top 10 movies of 2011. X1 was infamous for daring to open the movie in nazis camp where the color palette resembled schindler's list that set the tone of the film.
when your movie is grounded, you see the story and the characters more. Nolan himself said this about xmen 1 and he proved it in his own comic movies. non ground movies have no story or depth to them, they are superficial so they need all the massive colors and massive cgi fights to distract from the lack of story. ie Thor 3, avengers, homecoming, gotg, dr strange, hulk, iron man sequels, ant man..
thankfully many people including other film makers can see through this bs, reason they contunue to call mcu movies out.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 19, 2018 5:59:44 GMT
Not on meds, just a film fan of only quality comic movies. and as you can see, people here back me up. what of your meds, only people on meds needs socks account.
get back to the topic's question. surely sane people can. why is TAS such a superior series to MCU movie? why are mcu movies so childish and goofy when a TAS refused to be. Hmm, not on meds. That may be your problem right there. For someone who brings up socks so much, one would think you may be projecting a little. I don't know about how they compare to the MCU, but I certainly wish the Fox-Men movies had been more like the animated series. I gave them the benefit of the doubt for X1 and X2, but after The Last Stand they lost me with the exception of a few bright spots here and there (Deadpool, Logan). Last I checked xmen tas was like the movies, in story, tone and content and that is fact. people on meds dont like to accept facts. what is the difference between DOFP (tas) and DOFP (movie), outside of characters placement , there is little difference, the tone and overall story is the same. want the factual evidence.
Typical of thatguy even when he posts as bud, is still the same constant lieing. also notice you usually dont use any references or back up, that is because you know what you are saying is not true.so getting back to topic, why are MCU movies so silly, goofy and childish when TAS chose not to be and the movie followed the same model.
maybe you should answer the question instead of deflecting it like a typical coward thing, with logan and deadpool. when you talk about them, dont forget to mention the writers and directors made this movies to be ANTI-MCU
also considered how infinity war and black panther are disney poorly dumbed down rated version of First class and DOFP. meaning mcu xmen will be the same.
Bud, this is why you are loosing this debate. the truth is important and matters.
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Post by scabab on Oct 19, 2018 13:40:19 GMT
Since grounded movies became the best comic films, the most respected, the least hated. Not all of them, there was a lot of criticism for Man of Steel because of that. One of the worst Spider-man movies was the Amazing Spider-man because they tried to make it too dark and real like a Batman movie. It works well for Batman, he's just a human after all and they've had grounded comics since The Dark Knight Returns and Batman Year One. X-Men can work either way though, you have things like Magneto in the Nazi Camp but then you also have Master Mold, Mojo and the Shadow King. There's been a lot of these X-Men movies now that have gone for the same style. They're seeing diminishing returns at the box office as people are getting tired of it. They really need to open up more than they do because they all feel the same now. Where these MCU movies have gone all out on a large scale which has caused those movies to become more and more popular, the X-Men movies are just stuck doing the same thing which is causing them to lose popularity.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 21, 2018 7:07:04 GMT
Since grounded movies became the best comic films, the most respected, the least hated. Not all of them, there was a lot of criticism for Man of Steel because of that. One of the worst Spider-man movies was the Amazing Spider-man because they tried to make it too dark and real like a Batman movie. It works well for Batman, he's just a human after all and they've had grounded comics since The Dark Knight Returns and Batman Year One. X-Men can work either way though, you have things like Magneto in the Nazi Camp but then you also have Master Mold, Mojo and the Shadow King. There's been a lot of these X-Men movies now that have gone for the same style. They're seeing diminishing returns at the box office as people are getting tired of it. They really need to open up more than they do because they all feel the same now. Where these MCU movies have gone all out on a large scale which has caused those movies to become more and more popular, the X-Men movies are just stuck doing the same thing which is causing them to lose popularity. batman or xmen can choose to be less grounded but what works best for them is when they are grounded due to their stories, content and themes.
also do you know the world of Marvel is more grounded than DC?
I think X-Men diminishing returns is simple like every other comic films not outside the mcu disney pr machine. Batman and spiderman as well. their movies dont do that well at the box office when they are not just good enough. X-Men Apocalypse, Amazing spiderman 2, Batman and Superman.
In a way this is what has always helped X-Men and batman in particular because it drives them to make a quality movie after they see a diminished box office. reason I have no doubt matt reeves batman will be great.
DOFP and Logan are as grounded as they can be and they made money, they were highly successful at the box office for adult themed comic films not made under disney. there is no such thing as popularity, that is superficial. also when you consider in terms of quality movies mcu are the least popular films that many always try to distance themselves from.
you need the grounded part in xmen, that is what makes the series and it is something the most iconic writers has said.also I think this is why mcu xmen will fail once disney takes that away and makes their movie ubber kids colourful, with little story and more CGI Action driven.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 13, 2018 20:19:23 GMT
X-men TAS is what the X-men movies should have been but completely failed at. I'm just glad the MCU movies didn't make the same mistakes that the Fox-men movies did.
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