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Post by Power Ranger on Sept 8, 2019 20:53:26 GMT
Meanwhile, MCU suffered a huge loss with the departure of their flagship character Spider-Man. Spider-Man leaving MCU is equivalent to Mickey Mouse leaving Disney. Not really. The MCU managed just fine without Spider-Man for years. And then invested heavily into setting him up as the successor to Iron Man. I guess that job will have to go to Captain Marvel.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 8, 2019 23:21:08 GMT
2019 is definitely DC's year. Joker could not only be the 1st CBM to legitimately be nominated for Best Picture based solely on merit and not on using the race card, but also be the 1st CBM to win Best Picture. Meanwhile, MCU suffered a huge loss with the departure of their flagship character Spider-Man. Spider-Man leaving MCU is equivalent to Mickey Mouse leaving Disney.Not really, the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe was not solely dependent on Spider-Man's movie rights they have a plethora of others characters to use that can bring in just as much success if they play their cards right. Also, it isn't like they didn't expect the rights to revert entirely back to SONY, they all knew their contract would be up after Far From Home, other than that loss they have had a terrific year financially - Endgame is the highest grossing movie of all-time, it dethroned Avatar.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 8, 2019 23:35:25 GMT
2019 is definitely DC's year. Joker could not only be the 1st CBM to legitimately be nominated for Best Picture based solely on merit and not on using the race card, but also be the 1st CBM to win Best Picture. Meanwhile, MCU suffered a huge loss with the departure of their flagship character Spider-Man. Spider-Man leaving MCU is equivalent to Mickey Mouse leaving Disney.Not really, the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe was not solely dependent on Spider-Man's movie rights they have a plethora of others characters to use that can bring in just as much success if they play their cards right. Also, it isn't like they didn't expect the rights to revert entirely back to SONY, they all knew their contract would be up after Far From Home, other than that loss they have had a terrific year financially - Endgame is the highest grossing movie of all-time, it dethroned Avatar. That makes the cliffhanger at the end of FFH really baffling. Why would they choose to end the movie on such a massive cliffhanger if they weren’t even sure that Spider-Man would still be in the MCU afterwards? Are we just supposed to assume that Peter’s story ended with his life being ruined and the bad guys basically winning?
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 8, 2019 23:39:40 GMT
2019 is definitely DC's year. Joker could not only be the 1st CBM to legitimately be nominated for Best Picture based solely on merit and not on using the race card, but also be the 1st CBM to win Best Picture. Meanwhile, MCU suffered a huge loss with the departure of their flagship character Spider-Man. Spider-Man leaving MCU is equivalent to Mickey Mouse leaving Disney. In a year where Endgame became the highest grossing film of all time? You're so dumb! XD
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 8, 2019 23:48:27 GMT
Not really, the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe was not solely dependent on Spider-Man's movie rights they have a plethora of others characters to use that can bring in just as much success if they play their cards right. Also, it isn't like they didn't expect the rights to revert entirely back to SONY, they all knew their contract would be up after Far From Home, other than that loss they have had a terrific year financially - Endgame is the highest grossing movie of all-time, it dethroned Avatar. Why would they choose to end the movie on such a massive cliffhanger if they weren’t even sure that Spider-Man would still be in the MCU afterwards? Are we just supposed to assume that Peter’s story ended with his life being ruined and the bad guys basically winning? Yep.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 9, 2019 0:01:56 GMT
Why would they choose to end the movie on such a massive cliffhanger if they weren’t even sure that Spider-Man would still be in the MCU afterwards? Are we just supposed to assume that Peter’s story ended with his life being ruined and the bad guys basically winning? Yep. For the record, I disagree with the notion that Spider-Man being out of the MCU is a huge loss for them. It’s certainly not much of a loss for Disney.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 9, 2019 0:05:46 GMT
Not really, the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe was not solely dependent on Spider-Man's movie rights they have a plethora of others characters to use that can bring in just as much success if they play their cards right. Also, it isn't like they didn't expect the rights to revert entirely back to SONY, they all knew their contract would be up after Far From Home, other than that loss they have had a terrific year financially - Endgame is the highest grossing movie of all-time, it dethroned Avatar. That makes the cliffhanger at the end of FFH really baffling. Why would they choose to end the movie on such a massive cliffhanger if they weren’t even sure that Spider-Man would still be in the MCU afterwards? Are we just supposed to assume that Peter’s story ended with his life being ruined and the bad guys basically winning? Very much so, because by that creative choice and the eventuality that became with both studios both of them would take a hit - Marvel cannot further the story because their partnership with SONY has ended, and SONY cannot continue either because they do not have access to use characters, items, and events which are totally owned by Disney.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 9, 2019 0:06:58 GMT
Why would they choose to end the movie on such a massive cliffhanger if they weren’t even sure that Spider-Man would still be in the MCU afterwards? Are we just supposed to assume that Peter’s story ended with his life being ruined and the bad guys basically winning? Yep. Is that...Really all you need to say about the matter? The situation is much deeper than how you are interpreting thisguy4000's post as.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 9, 2019 0:14:22 GMT
Is that...Really all you need to say about the matter? The situation is much deeper than how you are interpreting thisguy4000's post as. That's not his strong suit.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 9, 2019 0:33:36 GMT
That makes the cliffhanger at the end of FFH really baffling. Why would they choose to end the movie on such a massive cliffhanger if they weren’t even sure that Spider-Man would still be in the MCU afterwards? Are we just supposed to assume that Peter’s story ended with his life being ruined and the bad guys basically winning? Very much so, because by that creative choice and the eventuality that became with both studios both of them would take a hit - Marvel cannot further the story because their partnership with SONY has ended, and SONY cannot continue either because they do not have access to use characters, items, and events which are totally owned by Disney. So basically, MCU has to pretend that Homecoming and Far From Home never happened.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 9, 2019 1:03:38 GMT
Very much so, because by that creative choice and the eventuality that became with both studios both of them would take a hit - Marvel cannot further the story because their partnership with SONY has ended, and SONY cannot continue either because they do not have access to use characters, items, and events which are totally owned by Disney. So basically, MCU has to pretend that Homecoming and Far From Home never happened. SONY cannot either unless they word things in such a way that the viewer can connect the dots well enough.
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Post by dazz on Sept 9, 2019 4:21:29 GMT
Very much so, because by that creative choice and the eventuality that became with both studios both of them would take a hit - Marvel cannot further the story because their partnership with SONY has ended, and SONY cannot continue either because they do not have access to use characters, items, and events which are totally owned by Disney. So basically, MCU has to pretend that Homecoming and Far From Home never happened. No because Marvel got the rights to use those characters & stories in their universe, they can refer to them still, they just cannot further Spider-Mans story, where as Sony were never given the rights to use or refer to any Marvel proper properties, this means they cannot have Peter mention any of the things he went through specifically, it means no Happy, no Avengers, no snap, maybe no Michelle, no referencing Tony, and some rumours I heard said they may even be barred from using some characters that appeared in the last 2 films due to the deal they had with Marvel, which could also mean no Mysterio or Vulture appearance or references.
To put it simply for you because thinking makes that pea brain of yours hurt, Marvel cannot use Sony characters anymore, but retain the events of those films and the rest of their cinematic universe just without Spidey, Sony however get the character but not the world at all, Spidey now has to exist in a world where none of the events of the MCU took place, his entire backstory is unavailable as are several key characters in this versions life.
If Spidey & the MCU relationship were a monopoly game set Sony took the top hat, but Marvel left with the board, dice, cash and all the cards.
I mean whats hilarious is you claiming this is such a big loss when you have been whining like a bitch for 2+ years about Marvel not using Spidey as a centrepiece, but now he's taken away he's such a big loss? no this is exactly why Marvel used him as they did, the exact reason I told you numerous times that they were hedging their bets on, that the deal would end and Spidey would be gone, hence why he was never a key factor in any of the team up movies, Spidey was reliant on the MCU in these movies, but the MCU is not reliant on Spidey, because they knew the relationship could be short term which as it turns out it was, how does the MCU move forward? they simply don't reference Spidey which given the only characters close to him outside the Spidey cast were Tony & Happy and Tony's dead so if they just don't bring Happy back which they didn't except for the Spidey films & Endgame since 2013 that's not going to be an issue, even then all it takes is Happy mentioning "The Kid" and his aunt are settled somewhere safe and his hung up the costume. boom Spidey explained out of the MCU, how is Sony going to explain away everything else though? Unless they go back into the Spider-verse with Peter and can pass the torch to Miles to continue in the "Sony shared universe of Marvel characters"...boy that's a mouthful, unless they do that they maybe stuffed.
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 10, 2019 1:25:09 GMT
2019 is definitely DC's year. Joker could not only be the 1st CBM to legitimately be nominated for Best Picture based solely on merit and not on using the race card, but also be the 1st CBM to win Best Picture. Meanwhile, MCU suffered a huge loss with the departure of their flagship character Spider-Man. Spider-Man leaving MCU is equivalent to Mickey Mouse leaving Disney. In a year where Endgame became the highest grossing film of all time? You're so dumb! XD Also, the way it looks, 'Joker' could end up like 'mother!' from 2017. P.S. Why don't you return to MCU Fan Forum someday? I posted some animation "exhibits".
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 10, 2019 20:56:09 GMT
In a year where Endgame became the highest grossing film of all time? You're so dumb! XD Also, the way it looks, 'Joker' could end up like 'mother!' from 2017. P.S. Why don't you return to MCU Fan Forum someday? I posted some animation "exhibits". Oh hey man, I should.
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 10, 2019 23:30:51 GMT
Also, the way it looks, 'Joker' could end up like 'mother!' from 2017. P.S. Why don't you return to MCU Fan Forum someday? I posted some animation "exhibits". Oh hey man, I should. Oh, and looks like DC-Fan spoke too soon. ‘Joker’ is currently at 81% on RottenTomatoes with 8.18/10 average. So much for being better than ‘Black Panther’.
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 12, 2019 23:23:44 GMT
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 12, 2019 23:49:10 GMT
I should point out that a good chunk of the negative reviews are claiming that the film isn’t badly made, but rather that they think it’s “problematic”. Heres an excerpt from one of the negative reviews
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 13, 2019 0:16:04 GMT
I should point out that a good chunk of the negative reviews are claiming that the film isn’t badly made, but rather that they think it’s “problematic”. Heres an excerpt from one of the negative reviews Oh, I'm aware of this too. My point is that DC-Fan was keep claiming that Joker is going to win Best Picture, and that chance is dwindling as it goes.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 14, 2019 2:53:43 GMT
Very much so, because by that creative choice and the eventuality that became with both studios both of them would take a hit - Marvel cannot further the story because their partnership with SONY has ended, and SONY cannot continue either because they do not have access to use characters, items, and events which are totally owned by Disney. So basically, MCU has to pretend that Homecoming and Far From Home never happened. You mean like DCEU is pretending Man of Steel and BvS never happened?
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Post by scabab on Oct 14, 2019 2:41:16 GMT
Well I'd say it was a good 12 months for DC all in all. Unfortunately Wonder Woman 1984 got delayed but they still had three movies of which all three were fresh on RT.
Aquaman and Shazam were generally well liked while Joker is #10 in the Top 250.
Shazam didn't do so great financially but Aquaman and Joker have did incredibly well.
So a good year for DC. Not sure how long it will last because next year there's Birds of Prey and Wonder Woman. Probably the latter will be good enough but dunno about the other.
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