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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 14, 2018 18:51:30 GMT
I can’t help but find it weird how out of all the Disney-era Star Wars movies thus far, this is the one that’s the least polarizing among fans. Even a lot of people who otherwise hate the Disney Star Wars movies seem to be fine with this one. I just don’t get it.
This movie was not only even more guilty of pandering to nostalgia than TFA, but it didn’t add anything remotely interesting to the universe of Star Wars. The story wasn’t the least bit engaging and the characters were boring as hell. Say what you will about Rey, but at least she has something resembling a personality, which is more than what I could say for Jyn.
The movie really didn’t do anything different or risky for a Star Wars movie, at least not in any meaningful way. Its entire premise was centered around “This all happened right before ANH! Remember that movie?!” I would give praise to the movie for being willing to kill off all of its characters at the very end, but considering how bland and lifeless the characters were, I can’t say their deaths left any real impact on me.
Even that Darth Vader scene near the end that people like to praise so much didn’t leave any sort of impression on me. It didn’t serve any purpose from a narrative standpoint, nor did it make me feel remotely tense. It was literally just Vader killing some nameless Rebel soldiers.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Aug 29, 2018 3:51:48 GMT
A grade from me, it's become my 2nd fav in the entire SW universe. There's a lot of little things going for it for me. - The plot is directly taken from ANH's opening crawl, so there is direct legacy storytelling that isn't all about midichlorians or watching Han & Chewie discover everything we've ever known about them over the course of 2hrs. - Apart the opening scene, there are no children. R1 is not a children's movie & arguably not even a family film. It's a war film from the pov of a resistance. - The characters are not tropes, rather they're refreshing & they shine as ensemble. K-2S0 is great, Chirrut is so likeable & fun, Baze is cool. There are no Jedi, no lightsaber hero moments, no pandering, & no Disney'fied ridiculousness. Pretty much everyone dies, in worthy & noble ways. - Darth Vader. - The best space battle since ROTJ. Because the stakes are lower, the battle looks & feels so much more accessible with smaller numbers. Not every SW movie needs to be Rebels vs. Death Star... R1 is Rebels vs. Imperials guarding their own intel planet. Hell, I even like Tarkin. So what if it's cg, it's done well for a guy who's merely the imposing talking head of the Imperial forces.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Aug 29, 2018 23:30:13 GMT
Couldn't never understand how this film got a pass either - absolutely despised it.
First half was just plain boring and then we were served up the insult of the plans no longer being beamed aboard the Tantive IV simply to facilitate the supposedly film saving "cool" Vader scene.
The only think I appreciate about this film was that it 100% killed any expectations I had from Disney's Star Wars well in advance of TLJ.
The way I see it - if you're happy with that Vader scene and the lack of continuity into ANH, then you've got to be equally happy with the "cool" Snoke room fight and lack of follow through of any of TFA's plot lines in TLJ.
We were signposted what Disney's vision for Star Wars was right here...
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Sept 29, 2018 5:27:10 GMT
I can’t help but find it weird how out of all the Disney-era Star Wars movies thus far, this is the one that’s the least polarizing among fans. Even a lot of people who otherwise hate the Disney Star Wars movies seem to be fine with this one. I just don’t get it. This movie was not only even more guilty of pandering to nostalgia than TFA, but it didn’t add anything remotely interesting to the universe of Star Wars. I have to disagree about this. Rogue One got a lot of accusation about this from some critics, but aside from a few scenes like the C3PO/R2D2 cameo there wasn't much. Most of the so-called pandering nostalgia of ships, tanks, and characters were very organic. In some cases they were totally necessary and not having it would've made the movie seem inauthentic. By contrast, TFA's pandering was inorganic and unnecessary. In some cases it actually stripped the characters and the universe from the development and growth that should've taken place over a 30 year hiatus. (The Resistance is totally identical to the Rebellion. The First Order is totally identical to the Empire. Han Solo is the exact same character we saw, not at the end of ROTJ, but at the end of ANH, etc). Whereas as the "pandering" of RO made perfect sense in a story that preceded ANH by days or hours. That's a highly subjective conclusion. I think many people at least found the story engaging. It might even (arguably) be one of its strongpoints. The characters weren't the most compelling. For one thing they didn't show much range or any development over the course of the story. So I can understand this complaint. But I did like the characterization choices. I found the Darth Vader scene added to building on his ruthless mythos. We honestly haven't seen a ton of that outside of his duels with Luke, which tempers it a little. So it was a nice touch. I can tell some things that RO did do that other Disney SW didn't. And reasons why it got praised. The movie definitely got the mythos of SW right. Much better than TFA and TLJ. Ironically it also infused more original designs and world building in with all of its so-called pandering than TFA did! It was also more gritty, something some liked and some didn't. But it did put the war in Star Wars. The story and characters had lots of gravitas, which also appealed to some fans. And unfortunately you can't say that about all of the characters or storylines in the episodic movies. But I get how it might not appeal to some SW fans because of it's differences and weaker points.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 28, 2018 14:22:46 GMT
Amazing every word of what you just said was wrong. This film has everything:
- it adds to the universe instead of shrinking it - it has world building - scale and cinematography - GRAVITAS and melodrama - new art design (U-Wing, droid etc) - fresh music - Jyn is a personalily who dies for the legacy of her two fathers (Rey is just a Sue)
I bet, as with the Vader scene, you sat through the entire "Your father would be proud" tone-poem where they all die and thought to yourself: I don't know what I am supposed to feel.
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