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Post by captainbryce on Aug 27, 2018 23:49:18 GMT
As far as I'm concerned, a call-out thread is one where the subject is about a specific poster, or a narrow group of posters. So that would in fact include this very thread (would it not). I mean, AJ has basically confirmed that this thread is about me with some interesting if not unsubstantiated claims. Geode has conveniently gone silent on the matter, but if we take AJ’s claims at face value, that would make THIS a call-out thread by your criteria yes?
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 27, 2018 23:50:00 GMT
Jesus, I almost forgot about that clown. Whatever happened to him? He disappeared at the same time as this: Loser Evicted From Parent's HouseYou decide what happened to him.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 27, 2018 23:50:57 GMT
In many cases of call-out threads people who start them believe in their cases the call-out threads are justified. These people naively believe that while certain call-out threads can be bad for some reason their call-out thread stems from a very good reason and deserved to be made. If only you could see the irony of this statement when contrasted with everything else you’ve done on this thread! Keep justifying your call-out threads. Got deleted. You have attempted for years to paint geode as person with low intelligence and a liar. You have always failed. Will continue to do so. But when you start call-out threads you do reveal how it can never get out of your head.
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 27, 2018 23:54:12 GMT
I’m not interested in your excuses for failing to prove your claims (I already know you can’t do that). What I’m pointing out is the fact that your claim couldn’t even have been validated IF that board/profile/post was still there. Because I already told you the substance of that post (adding the context that you deliberately took out). And I don’t see you denying that either. The fact is, that post was not anti Semitic (which is what you’re trying to imply). So who’s the liar now dude (besides geode of course). Your explanation about that post is another lie. It was not about Jews are irrelevant to Christianity. I can address about what it was but given the fact that you don't even accept acknowledge admitting to your own posts I see that as futile. Yes, it was anti-Semitic post. Okay, well YOU say it’s a lie because you decided (in ignorance and devoid of context) that it was a lie. You have no evidence, and not even a reasonable argument for why it’s a lie. So you claiming it’s a lie can be easily dismissed. Again, why would I make an anti-Semitic comment (for any reason), especially as I am part Jewish. You can’t answer that, so don’t bother trying. We’ll just chalk that up to another empty claim that can’t be reasoned logically, or proved beyond you having an opinion about me. By the way geode, when are you going to go back to your regular user id?
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 27, 2018 23:56:45 GMT
Your explanation about that post is another lie. It was not about Jews are irrelevant to Christianity. I can address about what it was but given the fact that you don't even accept acknowledge admitting to your own posts I see that as futile. Yes, it was anti-Semitic post. Again, why would I make an anti-Semitic comment (for any reason), especially as I am part Jewish. You can’t answer that, so don’t bother trying Haha......we have seen such statements before too. One can easily be anti-Semitic based on beliefs if beliefs outweigh importance of birth in one's opinion. Silly logic, Bryce.
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 27, 2018 23:56:57 GMT
If only you could see the irony of this statement when contrasted with everything else you’ve done on this thread! Keep justifying your call-out threads. Got deleted. You have attempted for years to paint geode as person with low intelligence and a liar. You have always failed. Will continue to do so. But when you start call-out threads you do reveal how it can never get out of your head. That’s an interesting opinion geode (or clone). I respectfully disagree, and I think I’ve demonstrated on numerous occasions how much a liar he is (as I’ve demonstrated how much you are in this thread). You make claims that you cannot substantiate (just like your friend), and you hypocritically start a call-out thread to criticize me for starting a call-out thread. If that’s not demonstrative of low IQ, I don’t know what is. Cheers!
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 27, 2018 23:58:11 GMT
Keep justifying your call-out threads. Got deleted. You have attempted for years to paint geode as person with low intelligence and a liar. You have always failed. Will continue to do so. But when you start call-out threads you do reveal how it can never get out of your head. That’s an interesting opinion geode (or clone). I respectfully disagree, and I think I’ve demonstrated on numerous occasions how much a liar he is (as I’ve demonstrated how much you are in this thread). You make claims that you cannot substantiate (just like your friend), and you hypocritically start a call-out thread to criticize me for starting a call-out thread. If that’s not demonstrative of low IQ, I don’t know what is. Cheers! Your successful demonstration or substantiation of what you claim is what lies only in your mind. Cheers!
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 27, 2018 23:58:47 GMT
Again, why would I make an anti-Semitic comment (for any reason), especially as I am part Jewish. You can’t answer that, so don’t bother trying Haha......we have seen such statements before too. One can easily be anti-Semitic based on beliefs if beliefs outweigh importance of birth in one's opinion. Silly logic, Bryce.
You, have not demonstrated that I’ve said or done anything anti-Semitic on ANY thread! I acknowledged that I made that statement. I also added context that you removed. That’s not antisemitism, that’s you intentionally trying to distort someone else’s position in a weak attempt to make them look like an antisemite.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 28, 2018 0:06:16 GMT
Haha......we have seen such statements before too. One can easily be anti-Semitic based on beliefs if beliefs outweigh importance of birth in one's opinion. Silly logic, Bryce.
You, have not demonstrated that I’ve said or done anything anti-Semitic on ANY thread! I acknowledged that I made that statement. I also added context that you removed. That’s not antisemitism, that’s you intentionally trying to distort someone else’s position in a weak attempt to make them look like an antisemite. One would say your stupid logic that "why would I make an anti-Semitic comment (for any reason), especially as I am part Jewish" itself may be revealing.
If you want then I can give you the context too. It started with your claims that anti-Semitism was mainly valid in days of Hitler. Apparently it was not something big in today's time. PD and I explained to you that it was still an important topic and a thing prevalent today too even in USA. After sometimes you lost your cool and wrote those lines "Fuck the Jews". Then deleted your post.
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 28, 2018 0:21:45 GMT
If you want then I can give you the context too. It started with your claims that anti-Semitism was mainly valid in days of Hitler. Apparently it was not something big in today's time. PD and I explained to you that it was still an important topic and a thing prevalent today too even in USA. After sometimes you lost your cool and wrote those lines... No, that was actually a completely different conversation, and yes I remember that one too (which is still completely valid by the way). So you're lying right now, trying to force a false context onto a statement. And notice how you have avoided all the other points (which apparently you'd rather not talk about) that I made in these last two posts. So, I'm going to be done with this nonsense. I'm pretty sure I successfully demonstrated the hypocrisy of using a call-out thread to condemn call-out threads. Suffice it to say, I don't think you've convinced anyone that I am either an antisemite or a liar. I think there is evidence to support that you/geode planned to do that at the outset because of some bizarre emotional attachment you have to me and my comments. You've obviously conceded to your inability to back up anything you've claimed about me (as predicted), so there's really no reason for me to continue. If the geode user id ever finds the courage to re-engage, I'd be happy to carry on once more.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 28, 2018 0:28:02 GMT
If you want then I can give you the context too. It started with your claims that anti-Semitism was mainly valid in days of Hitler. Apparently it was not something big in today's time. PD and I explained to you that it was still an important topic and a thing prevalent today too even in USA. After sometimes you lost your cool and wrote those lines... No, that was actually a completely different conversation, and yes I remember that one too (which is still completely valid by the way). So you're lying right now, trying to force a false context onto a statement. And notice how you have avoided all the other points (which apparently you'd rather not talk about) that I made in these last two posts. So, I'm going to be done with this nonsense. I'm pretty sure I successfully demonstrated the hypocrisy of using a call-out thread to condemn call-out threads. Suffice it to say, I don't think you've convinced anyone that I am either an antisemite or a liar. I think there is evidence to support that you/geode planned to do that at the outset because of some bizarre emotional attachment you have to me and my comments. You've obviously conceded to your inability to back up anything you've claimed about me (as predicted), so there's really no reason for me to continue. If the geode user id ever finds the courage to re-engage, I'd be happy to carry on once more. You can deny all you like (one should not be surprised considering you denied an entire post you had made and which I posted). And no it is not valid by the way. That anti-Semitism is not an issue now. It is still. But I am not surprised.
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Post by phludowin on Aug 28, 2018 5:52:50 GMT
As far as I'm concerned, a call-out thread is one where the subject is about a specific poster, or a narrow group of posters. So that would in fact include this very thread (would it not). I mean, AJ has basically confirmed that this thread is about me with some interesting if not unsubstantiated claims. Geode has conveniently gone silent on the matter, but if we take AJ’s claims at face value, that would make THIS a call-out thread by your criteria yes? I don't think so. This thread was started by geode , not Aj_June . And geode didn't name any posters from this board. Not in the subject line, not in the OP. So, not a callout thread in my opinion.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Aug 28, 2018 17:56:03 GMT
Most call-out threads are basically ad hominem attacks. As it is generally known by those who understand logical fallacies, when people resort to using an ad hominem approach they have essentially lost the argument and have nothing left to do but offer insults. I've found most of them to be simple cries for attention. (Not discounting them also being attacks.) When I stepped away from this forum it was pretty much 80% Youtube links, Fleetsin spam, and callout shitposts. Checked back in today: Fleetspam is 45% of the whole first page content, the Youtube links are now Maya complaining about no one caring about her Youtube links, but at least there seem to be less callouts. So... that's good, I guess?
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Post by geode on Aug 29, 2018 6:33:39 GMT
So that would in fact include this very thread (would it not). I mean, AJ has basically confirmed that this thread is about me with some interesting if not unsubstantiated claims. Geode has conveniently gone silent on the matter, but if we take AJ’s claims at face value, that would make THIS a call-out thread by your criteria yes? I don't think so. This thread was started by geode , not Aj_June . And geode didn't name any posters from this board. Not in the subject line, not in the OP. So, not a callout thread in my opinion. Yes, you are correct. This thread is about call-out threads but is not a call-out thread in and of itself unless it is a call-out thread of call-out threads in general. I have posted on this board very little for a long time now, for a lack of much intelligent discussion. I often never visit here as several weeks have gone past. I always thought that to be considered a call-out thread that a thread needs to call somebody out. I guess one might say that my comment to the effect that some people here who start call-out threads have limited intelligence might be construed as speaking negatively about such people. If a specific individual takes my thread to be about him or her, is that person feeling that he or she is of limited intelligence?
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Post by geode on Aug 29, 2018 6:38:13 GMT
Most call-out threads are basically ad hominem attacks. As it is generally known by those who understand logical fallacies, when people resort to using an ad hominem approach they have essentially lost the argument and have nothing left to do but offer insults. I've found most of them to be simple cries for attention. (Not discounting them also being attacks.) When I stepped away from this forum it was pretty much 80% Youtube links, Fleetsin spam, and callout shitposts. Checked back in today: Fleetspam is 45% of the whole first page content, the Youtube links are now Maya complaining about no one caring about her Youtube links, but at least there seem to be less callouts. So... that's good, I guess? I agree completely that most call-out threads are cries for attention even more often than just attempted insults. I guess I have not been the only regular to step away from this board? The problems you have identified are a large part of the reason I left.
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Post by geode on Aug 29, 2018 6:48:46 GMT
As it is generally known by those who understand logical fallacies, when people resort to using an ad hominem approach they have essentially lost the argument and have nothing left to do but offer insults. Fallacies do not imply that someone has lost an argument or that whatever the person is claiming is false or wrong. The idea of fallacies is simply that they do not amount to valid arguments (validity being defined as the impossibility of premises being true and conclusions false; with a fallacy, it's possible for premises to be true while the conclusion is false, hence we do not have a valid argument by definition). So, if for example part of our argument for the Earth not being flat is that the vast majority of people say that the Earth isn't flat, we're committing the argumentum ad populum fallacy even though our claim that the Earth isn't flat is true. So committing a fallacy doesn't imply that the person's claim isn't true. It's just that it's not true for the reasons that they're arguing. It's true for other reasons. I simply said that those who understand logical fallacies generally believe that those who make ad hominem comments have little or nothing left to say but insults. This is a true statement in my opinion. I was not saying that the use of logical fallacies in and of itself meant somebody had lost an argument. One can litter an argument with ad homs and still be making valid points. There are people with great intelligence that use ad homs to great effect. But generally insults are used by people with average intelligence or lower intelligence due to a lack of anything left to say that comes from being informed and able to contribute meaningful comments. "Ad hominem attacks are ultimately self-defeating. They are equivalent to admitting that you have lost the argument." Lost Arguments
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 29, 2018 11:30:14 GMT
Fallacies do not imply that someone has lost an argument or that whatever the person is claiming is false or wrong. The idea of fallacies is simply that they do not amount to valid arguments (validity being defined as the impossibility of premises being true and conclusions false; with a fallacy, it's possible for premises to be true while the conclusion is false, hence we do not have a valid argument by definition). So, if for example part of our argument for the Earth not being flat is that the vast majority of people say that the Earth isn't flat, we're committing the argumentum ad populum fallacy even though our claim that the Earth isn't flat is true. So committing a fallacy doesn't imply that the person's claim isn't true. It's just that it's not true for the reasons that they're arguing. It's true for other reasons. I simply said that those who understand logical fallacies generally believe that those who make ad hominem comments have little or nothing left to say but insults. This is a true statement in my opinion. I was not saying that the use of logical fallacies in and of itself meant somebody had lost an argument. One can litter an argument with ad homs and still be making valid points. There are people with great intelligence that use ad homs to great effect. But generally insults are used by people with average intelligence or lower intelligence due to a lack of anything left to say that comes from being informed and able to contribute meaningful comments. "Ad hominem attacks are ultimately self-defeating. They are equivalent to admitting that you have lost the argument." Lost Arguments Most of the time on these boards I tend to address the whole board, not just the person to whom I reply. That however is not how most people do it. They are not addressing the "public" they are addressing the individual and in that case there can be (I didn't say always is) a good and logical reason to address the problem the individual has in relation to the topic. It can help them understand why they keep making the same wrong move. In a recent prolonged exchange over what the "appeal to nature fallacy" actually meant, I had considerable difficulty explaining that nature already has informed public policy and will continue to do so quite logically, citing several examples. The problem is with amateurs who do not understand the rules and yet depend on them to claim a victory. On these boards it is usually the person calling a rule who is failing logic, not the other way around. I recommend that you (generally, not you, geode especially) do not depend on rules for your victories, at least not until you understand how complicated they really can get. No one has yet argued that the examples I cited should not be decided because nature dictated. That is in fact the good reason they were decided.
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Post by geode on Aug 29, 2018 12:52:20 GMT
I simply said that those who understand logical fallacies generally believe that those who make ad hominem comments have little or nothing left to say but insults. This is a true statement in my opinion. I was not saying that the use of logical fallacies in and of itself meant somebody had lost an argument. One can litter an argument with ad homs and still be making valid points. There are people with great intelligence that use ad homs to great effect. But generally insults are used by people with average intelligence or lower intelligence due to a lack of anything left to say that comes from being informed and able to contribute meaningful comments. "Ad hominem attacks are ultimately self-defeating. They are equivalent to admitting that you have lost the argument." Lost Arguments Most of the time on these boards I tend to address the whole board, not just the person to whom I reply. That however is not how most people do it. They are not addressing the "public" they are addressing the individual and in that case there can be (I didn't say always is) a good and logical reason to address the problem the individual has in relation to the topic. It can help them understand why they keep making the same wrong move. In a recent prolonged exchange over what the "appeal to nature fallacy" actually meant, I had considerable difficulty explaining that nature already has informed public policy and will continue to do so quite logically, citing several examples. The problem is with amateurs who do not understand the rules and yet depend on them to claim a victory. On these boards it is usually the person calling a rule who is failing logic, not the other way around. I recommend that you (generally, not you, geode especially) do not depend on rules for your victories, at least not until you understand how complicated they really can get. No one has yet argued that the examples I cited should not be decided because nature dictated. That is in fact the good reason they were decided. Interesting but irrelevent to the discussion I last rendered, as I have not relied upon a rule to make my point, but have instead offered an observation that I and many others have seen in conversations, whether they have been on message boards or elsewhere.
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 29, 2018 13:24:00 GMT
I simply said that those who understand logical fallacies generally believe that those who make ad hominem comments have little or nothing left to say but insults. This is a true statement in my opinion. I was not saying that the use of logical fallacies in and of itself meant somebody had lost an argument. One can litter an argument with ad homs and still be making valid points. There are people with great intelligence that use ad homs to great effect. But generally insults are used by people with average intelligence or lower intelligence due to a lack of anything left to say that comes from being informed and able to contribute meaningful comments. What’s funny about this is that after acknowledging that this is only your opinion, you are essentially using a form of ad hominem yourself to try to justify your argument about how it suggests lower intelligence. There is no evidence that your opinion relating attacks to “intelligence” is correct, which essentially makes it an attack on anyone else who attacks you. That’s not very sound reasoning!
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Post by Cinemachinery on Aug 29, 2018 16:09:02 GMT
I've found most of them to be simple cries for attention. (Not discounting them also being attacks.) When I stepped away from this forum it was pretty much 80% Youtube links, Fleetsin spam, and callout shitposts. Checked back in today: Fleetspam is 45% of the whole first page content, the Youtube links are now Maya complaining about no one caring about her Youtube links, but at least there seem to be less callouts. So... that's good, I guess? I agree completely that most call-out threads are cries for attention even more often than just attempted insults. I guess I have not been the only regular to step away from this board? The problems you have identified are a large part of the reason I left. Yeah, although we've always had shit-posters to one degree or other, even on the old IMDB. Another part of it was a simple decline in people who actually discussed religion or spiritual stuff.
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