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Post by egon1982 on Sept 2, 2018 0:21:56 GMT
Check out at 1:24:34 which is a controversial rant by 2 youtube friends of mine Ocpcommunications and Ramboraph4life urging audiences, horror fans and studios to just let iconic horror franchises and beloved horror icons to just die and rest in peace and move on to make fresh brand new ones.
With comparisons to the Universal monsters of the 30s/40s/50s, Universal bottoming out of their own icons, slasher craze and crash of the 80s and the recent trend of sequelizing and remaking Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Friday The 13th (despite they with me like the 2009 remake and no sequel has happened in 10 years), Elm Street, Child's Play, Scream, Saw, Hellraiser, etc. and how they feel it's time to let these franchises and beloved horror icons to slumber in peace than to constantly bring them back in hope of new life/profit/old glory otherwise they are gonna be zombies .
Make new horror icons that are fresh and new! it's how Michael Myers, Chucky, Freddy Krueger, Leatherface, Jigsaw, Ghostface, Jason Voorhees and Pinhead came to be as they were not copies of the universal monsters but unique in their own ways. Horror needs unique fresh icons again like take for example Annabelle she is the new Chucky, Not the same tired old ones force fed to new generations like they are still as cool as they were in the 80s 90s and early 2000s. They had their time in the sun and earned retirement from the genre, let them kick off their shoes to relax, bringing them back constantly is only gonna hurt their legacy and turn them into jokes. I know it is sad but it is true and this video may hurt some people but it's a painful truth as i stand by the guys in the rant, it's time to move on.
No need for anymore Halloween sequels, terrible direct to video Hellraiser sequels, Don Mancini made crappy Child's Play sequels (i felt the series ended at 3 and i'm not looking forward to the TV show and remake as the horse is already dead), anymore poor Leatherface sequels/prequels (the last TCM worth a damn was 1990's 3 while 2003's remake was decent), the 15th Leprechaun movie, more Children of the Corn sequels etc. it's a dead horse already and they are beating it, sometimes dead is better and this video tells the truth and i'm standing by them.
I think it's better to let these characters retire/die from film and live on through merchandise like t-shirts, appreal, comics, video games, books, re-issues of the movies on blu-ray, streams of the old movies on amazon/hulu/netflix, toys and all that.
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Sept 2, 2018 14:25:06 GMT
I agree, but I think this is a problem that extends beyond horror. I miss the days when there were just three Star Wars films, for example.
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Post by Lebowskidoo š¦ on Sept 2, 2018 14:27:24 GMT
Horror loves to beat a dead horse, though.
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Post by Captain Spencer on Sept 2, 2018 15:32:39 GMT
I couldn't agree more. All these sequels/remakes/reboots of 70s and 80s horror movies is really getting tiresome. Well, actually it's been tiresome for quite some time now. Tinsel Town really does need to concentrate more on new and original concepts for the horror genre.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Sept 2, 2018 21:59:13 GMT
It is lazy and based on the money guys knowing the sequels and remakes will make money. Interesting the usual suspects had their screen debuts within 14 years of each other. Leatherface 1974 and Chucky 1988 with the other in between. 30 years since Chucky and there hasn't been a horror figure to match Jason or Michael Myers. Candyman maybe but not as iconic. Hannibal Lecter but arguably not horror.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 2, 2018 22:14:24 GMT
It's not a merit-based business. The ideological apparatchiks completely took it over-and because they have money to spare, they can just keep churning out shit and say "well, the public doesnt have a choice--take it or leave it."
Especially true since they prevent alternatives to get a piece of the market. THIS is the problem. In the 60s Hollywood was getting kind of stale, but there were many independent companies around. Most of the horror in that period was small production companies. Same with the 70s--and even in the 80s--New Line Cinema, Charles Band etc..
It's not a talent problem, it's an artificial monopoly problem.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 23:36:38 GMT
I couldn't agree more. All these sequels/remakes/reboots of 70s and 80s horror movies is really getting tiresome. Well, actually it's been tiresome for quite some time now. Tinsel Town really does need to concentrate more on new and original concepts for the horror genre. I feel like Hollywood has gotten very lazy in general. It seems to be all sequels and remakes in every genre, and what's original doesn't get any attention.
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Post by James on Sept 2, 2018 23:39:53 GMT
As long as they're able to make more great franchises for this generation, I'm good. Otherwise, we may as well stick with old franchises, and see what new directors and filmmakers have to represent in the newer entries.
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Post by rogerthat on Sept 3, 2018 15:22:51 GMT
I will not rest until there is a Friday the 13th part 13. That said I agree it is time for some new villians of horror.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Sept 4, 2018 0:28:17 GMT
I mostly agree. The one notable exception for me would be the upcoming Halloween sequel, partly because while I love the original 1978 film I'm not too sold on the bulk of the follow-ups and I'd be interested in seeing a sequel that gets back to basics and ignores the rest.
Other than that though, I agree that they should just allow the old horror franchises rest in peace.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 8:02:52 GMT
As long as they're able to make more great franchises for this generation, I'm good. Otherwise, we may as well stick with old franchises, and see what new directors and filmmakers have to represent in the newer entries. This. I think with the right writers some of these franchises can still work and I just mentioned on another thread how I think a lot of Horror franchises have gone downhill in their latest entries but there are some exceptions I have enjoyed and since making new movies with these Horror icons isn't stopping newer icons from being made I don't think they should be stopped - at least until they can come up with some new Horror icons that can take their place first which they aren't doing now. The OP mentioned some good characters when he has talked about this on other threads and I enjoyed the 'Wolf Cop' movie but ask around how many people actually know the 'Wolfcop' movie compared to 'A Nightmare On Elm Street', 'Friday the 13th' and 'Halloween' and even lesser-knowns like 'Hellraiser', 'Children of the Corn', 'Phantasm' and 'Candyman.' There have been some great Horror movies in the past decade but they are just not coming out with characters like Freddy, Jason, Michael, Chucky and Leatherface anymore and the most popular new Horror character in the past few years has been Pennywise in the 'It' remake and Pennywise is far from new.
The success of the latest 'It' movie shows these Horror characters can be replaced with new actors 'cause there were a lot of fans that didn't think they would be able to replace Tim Curry in the role of Pennywise when they first announced they were making a remake and not only did they successfully do that but the new 'It' film has been more popular than the 1990 miniseries. Sure Pennywise originated in a novel but Tim Curry's performance was very popular and was known to many fans. In saying that I disagree about the poster's thoughts about Pinhead and Pinhead is a character from a novel and his first appearance in Clive Barker's 'The Hellbound Heart.' I think the 'Hellraiser' franchise can be saved but to do so it needs to go back to its creator, Clive Barker who wants to reboot it and has a lot of exciting things he wants to do in future 'Hellraiser' movies. The first three movies were written by Clive Barker and Peter Atkins and I would like to see them take back over the franchise and return to the timeline of the first three movies with Kirsty and the Cenobites and the front.
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Post by Lebowskidoo š¦ on Sept 9, 2018 11:32:10 GMT
I'd prefer a decent remake to a good older movie than some lame-ass continuation of the original that dumps all over what has gone before it....yes, Halloween movies, I'm talking to you. Laurie is dead but has a daughter, Jamie. Then Laurie is alive, never had a daughter, she had a son. Then Michael is dead dead. Then Michael is alive and kills Laurie dead dead. And now, none of this happened, at all? No wonder horror gets looked down upon.
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Post by northernlad on Sept 9, 2018 14:06:54 GMT
There is just no creativity anymore...or I should say the creativity is still there but the big corps/film studios flat out don't want to invest it in it so they keep churning out the same old stuff. I've seen this going on in movies and now it's spreading to TV as well. Everything is a rehash of some better original piece of work. It's kind of a sad age we live. And I will add here, as long as people continue to spend money on this rehashed stuff, it won't end.
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Post by Captain Spencer on Sept 9, 2018 18:57:33 GMT
There is just no creativity anymore...or I should say the creativity is still there but the big corps/film studios flat out don't want to invest it in it so they keep churning out the same old stuff. I've seen this going on in movies and now it's spreading to TV as well. Everything is a rehash of some better original piece of work. It's kind of a sad age we live. And I will add here, as long as people continue to spend money on this rehashed stuff, it won't end. Well said.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Sept 9, 2018 21:29:13 GMT
There is just no creativity anymore...or I should say the creativity is still there but the big corps/film studios flat out don't want to invest it in it so they keep churning out the same old stuff. I've seen this going on in movies and now it's spreading to TV as well. Everything is a rehash of some better original piece of work. It's kind of a sad age we live. And I will add here, as long as people continue to spend money on this rehashed stuff, it won't end. Yes, but... There is good and original stuff out there. Just not at the multiplex that often. Which is just true in general. Not just in horror. But with as much stuff in existence in general, there's always gonna be good stuff. The percentage of good shit to just shit may be more skewed, but the point that people are trying to make is that if you're willing to look them there is quality to be found.
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Post by lostinlimbo on Sept 9, 2018 21:50:40 GMT
I donāt see the point getting worked up about it. Just donāt watch āem. If others want to, so be it. Hollywood, even the horror genre has always been about fads, and franchises where they would milk concepts bone-dry. Itās a business. Hell I enjoyed the 80s slasher craze, it was rancid, but I couldnāt get enough of it.
Every once in awhile Hollywood can deliver something worthwhile, no question, but thatās not where I get my main fix. Honestly it means you got to search if you want something constantly unique than waiting for it to fall on your lap. I donāt see a problem with that either, as it usually opens up my eyes to other films I didnāt even know about. Thereās enough mainstream, indie, or international horror out there... good and bad. I know getting access to the latter two can at times be hard, but I find that to be part of the pleasure. Sometimes you wish these indie horrors would get big studio, and mainstream releases, but you then you got to think just how much control would these film-makers have in a studio bound production. Sure the money might be there, but will the vision, and final product be the same.
Iām sure there are film-makers out there that have numerous ideas, original ones too for these classic horror franchises, which I wouldnāt mind seeing, but itās the studio taking the safe route rather than taking the chance to explore those concepts, especially if they just want to hold onto the filmās rights.
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Post by egon1982 on Sept 11, 2018 9:27:51 GMT
I couldn't agree more. All these sequels/remakes/reboots of 70s and 80s horror movies is really getting tiresome. Well, actually it's been tiresome for quite some time now. Tinsel Town really does need to concentrate more on new and original concepts for the horror genre. I always liked Ocpcommunications and Ramboraph4life's videos because those youtube critic guys come off as real people with real honesty/feelings who can't lie about things. Those guys both have a passion for movies and those guys can see the errors now in Hollywood now and aren't blinded by the beauty of the movie. Sometimes i agree or disagree with them but they are fine reviewers who makes some worthwhile reviews like see this review of Tragedy Girls which Ocpcommunications considers a potential modern horror classic: And his hilarious rant on Curse of Chucky by Ocpcommunications which i despise along with Seed and Cult and thought Bride was mediocre (but at least it has a better director than Don Mancini whom Mike, Matt and i think Don has became a hack after part 3 and think they should had hired someone else to write the scripts for Chucky sequels after 3 as we think the third is the last worthwhile Chucky film and the other films are spin-offs of the trilogy and are hurting Chucky's legacy): And they are so right with that podcast i mentioned eh? it's time to bury Freddy (the remake was an epic fail and Jackie was poor as Freddy as he sounded like Sling Blade/Bale Batman as you can't do it! Robert Englund IS and WAS Freddy as he will die with him as Englund even said so), Chucky, Leatherface, Jigsaw, Ghostface, Pinhead and Jason as they are gonna become jokes like the monsters in the Abbot and Costello movies and Ocp/Ramboraph4life are right we don't want to see Harold and Kumar meet the slashers crossover movie as Abbot and Costello meets Frankenstein was a great film but no need to copy that formula to make Freddy/Chucky/Leatherface/Michael/Jason/Jigsaw/Ghostface in one crossover movie with Harold and Kumar to make them into bigger jokes and even with that old farfetched Cheech and Chong meets Jason idea from 1986. And it's better to let their legacy live on through comics, video games, books, costumes, merchandise, appreal etc. to streams of the old movies on amazon prime/hulu/netflix/crackle to let generations see these franchises for what they were even with the rise and fall of some sequels to become legends than become jokes and come up with new franchises/new characters. Ocpcommunications and Ramboraph4life are like "Do executives think clearly sometimes?" then Ocp said "No! but sometimes they also look at the bottom line" We don't need to be fucked in the ass by studios even by directors/writers when it comes to these remakes/sequels to 80s/90s/early 2000s cinematic horror icons, it hurts, some of us are done and we need to send this message to studios and the two guys i mention's podcast is a wake up call to have some fans of these franchises/horror fans who are done with these franchises to send their message across to studios to make new icons and let old ones rest and did you like their comparisons to the Universal monsters even how that franchise was ran into the ground?. Now Hell fest looks like alot of fun and seems like a fresh slasher film with a potential new horror icon in the mainstream, we need to make Hell Fest a hit and to give studios the message that we need new horror icons and new franchises and it has potential. You agree with them to try and give a fuck to make new horror films and potential new franchises and new icons like say Wolfcop, Leslie Vernon, Victor Crawley, Captain Splauding etc. and most of those movies like Wolfcop, Babadook, Behind the Mask, Session 9, Tucker and Dale vs Dale etc. should had been released in multiplex theaters?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 8:15:05 GMT
I donāt see the point getting worked up about it. Just donāt watch āem. If others want to, so be it. Hollywood, even the horror genre has always been about fads, and franchises where they would milk concepts bone-dry. Itās a business. Hell I enjoyed the 80s slasher craze, it was rancid, but I couldnāt get enough of it. Every once in awhile Hollywood can deliver something worthwhile, no question, but thatās not where I get my main fix. Honestly it means you got to search if you want something constantly unique than waiting for it to fall on your lap. I donāt see a problem with that either, as it usually opens up my eyes to other films I didnāt even know about. Thereās enough mainstream, indie, or international horror out there... good and bad. I know getting access to the latter two can at times be hard, but I find that to be part of the pleasure. Sometimes you wish these indie horrors would get big studio, and mainstream releases, but you then you got to think just how much control would these film-makers have in a studio bound production. Sure the money might be there, but will the vision, and final product be the same. Iām sure there are film-makers out there that have numerous ideas, original ones too for these classic horror franchises, which I wouldnāt mind seeing, but itās the studio taking the safe route rather than taking the chance to explore those concepts, especially if they just want to hold onto the filmās rights. I think you made a lot of great points in your post lostinlimbo and what I would love to see are more Horror comic books like 'Hack/Slash', 'Monstress', 'Darkchylde', 'Vampirella', 'Wonderland (Zenescope), 'Faust', and 'Lady Death' adapted into Live Action movies and I think with the right writers 'Hack/ Slash' could not only be a success but one of the most popular slasher franchises in years. Cassie Hack and Vlad are awesome characters and I don't know if you have read the comic books but they feature Cassie and Vlad going around killing slashers and saving people and there are a number of Horror movie icons that have appeared in them too. There was a movie of 'Darkchylde' in development a few years back and John Carpenter was set to direct it and he called it one of the greatest Horror stories he read and said Ariel Chylde had the potential to be one of the most popular Horror characters of all time but the studio sadly didn't go through with it due to the way comic books with female leads were viewed at the time but now with 'Wonder Woman' I think they should try again but I think 'Hack/Slash' deserves a movie the most. The late Wes Craven and Tobe Hooper called it a masterpiece and Wes Craven wanted to adapt it but sadly didn't get around to it. Bring On Cassie Hack!!!
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 12, 2018 8:30:36 GMT
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Post by lostinlimbo on Sept 15, 2018 4:28:16 GMT
I donāt see the point getting worked up about it. Just donāt watch āem. If others want to, so be it. Hollywood, even the horror genre has always been about fads, and franchises where they would milk concepts bone-dry. Itās a business. Hell I enjoyed the 80s slasher craze, it was rancid, but I couldnāt get enough of it. Every once in awhile Hollywood can deliver something worthwhile, no question, but thatās not where I get my main fix. Honestly it means you got to search if you want something constantly unique than waiting for it to fall on your lap. I donāt see a problem with that either, as it usually opens up my eyes to other films I didnāt even know about. Thereās enough mainstream, indie, or international horror out there... good and bad. I know getting access to the latter two can at times be hard, but I find that to be part of the pleasure. Sometimes you wish these indie horrors would get big studio, and mainstream releases, but you then you got to think just how much control would these film-makers have in a studio bound production. Sure the money might be there, but will the vision, and final product be the same. Iām sure there are film-makers out there that have numerous ideas, original ones too for these classic horror franchises, which I wouldnāt mind seeing, but itās the studio taking the safe route rather than taking the chance to explore those concepts, especially if they just want to hold onto the filmās rights. I think you made a lot of great points in your post lostinlimbo and what I would love to see are more Horror comic books like 'Hack/Slash', 'Monstress', 'Darkchylde', 'Vampirella', 'Wonderland (Zenescope), 'Faust', and 'Lady Death' adapted into Live Action movies and I think with the right writers 'Hack/ Slash' could not only be a success but one of the most popular slasher franchises in years. Cassie Hack and Vlad are awesome characters and I don't know if you have read the comic books but they feature Cassie and Vlad going around killing slashers and saving people and there are a number of Horror movie icons that have appeared in them too. There was a movie of 'Darkchylde' in development a few years back and John Carpenter was set to direct it and he called it one of the greatest Horror stories he read and said Ariel Chylde had the potential to be one of the most popular Horror characters of all time but the studio sadly didn't go through with it due to the way comic books with female leads were viewed at the time but now with 'Wonder Woman' I think they should try again but I think 'Hack/Slash' deserves a movie the most. The late Wes Craven and Tobe Hooper called it a masterpiece and Wes Craven wanted to adapt it but sadly didn't get around to it. Bring On Cassie Hack!!!
I definitely agree. There is indeed a rich comic universe out there to explore, and itās definitely more imaginative than the film industry. So it should be a goldmine for adaptations, but I also guess copyright issues, and royalties play a big part of it and some probably wonāt find an audience beyond its niche followers. But you never know if you donāt try I would love to see āVampirellaā as the 90s film didnāt do it much justice. āFaustā too. Iāve seen āHack/Slashā in stores, but yeah, Iām not familiar with the stories or characters. But it sounds like a cool spin on the horror material. Even a TV series could work. Fantastic to see those horror directors at one point of time attached, or showing interest in these projects, and source material. I didnāt relaise how much of a fan Carpenter was of the comic world until I read one of his introductions for a Batman graphic novel expressing his admiration of Steve Niles and Kelley Jonesā work.
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