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Post by amyghost on Sept 5, 2018 21:37:51 GMT
How many think this new sub-category of the L&O franchise will make a viable series? Or does it come across as Wolf and Co. just scrambling for anything 'relevant' to pump up a franchise that may be running out of steam?
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Post by deembastille on Sept 5, 2018 22:01:01 GMT
he was probably bullied into it by sjws.
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Post by permutojoe on Sept 6, 2018 12:15:41 GMT
Can't imagine that will be any good.
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Post by sweetpea on Sept 6, 2018 17:38:14 GMT
It is an actual division. I think it will come down to the right actors & good writing. I remember when SVU came along. So many were like "wait there's really a separate division for that?" And with that, I do think they could be looking to end SVU, so this could be why they ok'd it. I also think it's wise for it to be 13 eps, as long as they keep it at that.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 6, 2018 18:05:14 GMT
I think it may not be bad if they stick to the original L&O format, and don't give in to turning it into a soaper about the characters personal lives, as SVU has been for too many seasons now. Keeping it at 13 eps would probably be a good way of doing that. But honestly, I am wondering if maybe this whole genre of police/crime drama is beginning to have run its' course, and maybe audiences are just tiring of these shows in general.
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Post by deembastille on Sept 6, 2018 19:31:38 GMT
Not every division of the police department (or anything) needs to be the basis of a TV show.
This is just anger inducing. "Like What Would You Do?"
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Post by kleinreturns on Sept 6, 2018 19:52:24 GMT
Interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 18:26:49 GMT
I think it may not be bad if they stick to the original L&O format, and don't give in to turning it into a soaper about the characters personal lives, as SVU has been for too many seasons now. Keeping it at 13 eps would probably be a good way of doing that. But honestly, I am wondering if maybe this whole genre of police/crime drama is beginning to have run its' course, and maybe audiences are just tiring of these shows in general. They are. As a former fan (I even loved the Vincent D'Nofrio series), it's kind of played out by now. "Dramatic Procedural s" have lost a lot of steam against those "ID Discovery Series" (which I find equally manipulative- Go ahead, watch a few of those back to back, and notice that the timelines on certain clues don't add up: as in, "they knew 'x' already at this point, but the 'documentary doesn't clarify it to create fake 'suspense'). Also, procedural documentary series tend to be more interesting, like Durst, OJ, etc. Even Netflix, AMC dramatic series tend to run better than a 48 minute jaunt through 'single Mom Olivia's' predictable adventures, at this point. |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 10, 2018 21:12:05 GMT
I think it may not be bad if they stick to the original L&O format, and don't give in to turning it into a soaper about the characters personal lives, as SVU has been for too many seasons now. Keeping it at 13 eps would probably be a good way of doing that. But honestly, I am wondering if maybe this whole genre of police/crime drama is beginning to have run its' course, and maybe audiences are just tiring of these shows in general. They are. As a former fan (I even loved the Vincent D'Nofrio series), it's kind of played out by now. "Dramatic Procedural s" have lost a lot of steam against those "ID Discovery Series" (which I find equally manipulative- Go ahead, watch a few of those back to back, and notice that the timelines on certain clues don't add up: as in, "they knew 'x' already at this point, but the 'documentary doesn't clarify it to create fake 'suspense'). Also, procedural documentary series tend to be more interesting, like Durst, OJ, etc. Even Netflix, AMC dramatic series tend to run better than a 48 minute jaunt through 'single Mom Olivia's' predictable adventures, at this point. And also, much of the whole look and feel of these 'dark' necro-porn police procedurals stemmed directly from the massive success of the film Silence of the Lambs, which pioneered the whole stylistic makeup of the genre. When you consider that that film is now 27 years old, that's a pretty long time to ride a trend. And how many ways can you keep telling essentially the same storyline over and over? Which is probably one reason L&O:SVU ended up going down the personal drama road--the writers just couldn't keep thinking up ways to make the crime drama element seem fresh. Unfortunately, Benson's endless life crises have gotten just as stale as the whole fictional procedural format has become. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 21:39:17 GMT
They are. As a former fan (I even loved the Vincent D'Nofrio series), it's kind of played out by now. "Dramatic Procedural s" have lost a lot of steam against those "ID Discovery Series" (which I find equally manipulative- Go ahead, watch a few of those back to back, and notice that the timelines on certain clues don't add up: as in, "they knew 'x' already at this point, but the 'documentary doesn't clarify it to create fake 'suspense'). Also, procedural documentary series tend to be more interesting, like Durst, OJ, etc. Even Netflix, AMC dramatic series tend to run better than a 48 minute jaunt through 'single Mom Olivia's' predictable adventures, at this point. And also, much of the whole look and feel of these 'dark' necro-porn police procedurals stemmed directly from the massive success of the film Silence of the Lambs, which pioneered the whole stylistic makeup of the genre. When you consider that that film is now 27 years old, that's a pretty long time to ride a trend. And how many ways can you keep telling essentially the same storyline over and over? Which is probably one reason L&O:SVU ended up going down the personal drama road--the writers just couldn't keep thinking up ways to make the crime drama element seem fresh. Unfortunately, Benson's endless life crises have gotten just as stale as the whole fictional procedural format has become. That's a good point about "SOL". I'd also hammer home the point all the "L&O" series were at their best when the 'cops/characters' back stories were more 'implied' then when put right out there. Briscoe, Benson, Stabler, Goren, all of them? Were best matched against storylines where their 'history' was more implied, as opposed to 'right out in front'. The "L&O:CI" shows greatest strength was d'Nofrio's 'oddness'. But once his 'oddness' became the main storyline, the series went south (for me). |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 10, 2018 21:55:18 GMT
And also, much of the whole look and feel of these 'dark' necro-porn police procedurals stemmed directly from the massive success of the film Silence of the Lambs, which pioneered the whole stylistic makeup of the genre. When you consider that that film is now 27 years old, that's a pretty long time to ride a trend. And how many ways can you keep telling essentially the same storyline over and over? Which is probably one reason L&O:SVU ended up going down the personal drama road--the writers just couldn't keep thinking up ways to make the crime drama element seem fresh. Unfortunately, Benson's endless life crises have gotten just as stale as the whole fictional procedural format has become. That's a good point about "SOL". I'd also hammer home the point all the "L&O" series were at their best when the 'cops/characters' back stories were more 'implied' then when put right out there. Briscoe, Benson, Stabler, Goren, all of them? Were best matched against storylines where their 'history' was more implied, as opposed to 'right out in front'. The "L&O:CI" shows greatest strength was d'Nofrio's 'oddness'. But once his 'oddness' became the main storyline, the series went south (for me). I'm on board with you there. One of the original L&O's biggest strengths was the refusal to delve too much into the characters' personal lives. It was kept very much an occasional thing, used sparingly, and the show benefitted greatly from that.
And yes--Goren on CI was like Sherlock Holmes in the Conan Doyle stories: Holmes is the spice in the tale; too much backstory on him, or too much of him in the story proper outside of his deductive role, and he'd never have worked so well--the mystique of Holmes is knowing so little about the man himself. That was the feel the CI creators appeared to be going for initially with Goren, and then they appeared to forget this and made him the main focal point rather than an intriguing note. It was all too much, and I reached the point I just couldn't have cared less about his ongoing angst, no matter how winningly Vince played the role.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 22:18:38 GMT
That's a good point about "SOL". I'd also hammer home the point all the "L&O" series were at their best when the 'cops/characters' back stories were more 'implied' then when put right out there. Briscoe, Benson, Stabler, Goren, all of them? Were best matched against storylines where their 'history' was more implied, as opposed to 'right out in front'. The "L&O:CI" shows greatest strength was d'Nofrio's 'oddness'. But once his 'oddness' became the main storyline, the series went south (for me). I'm on board with you there. One of the original L&O's biggest strengths was the refusal to delve too much into the characters' personal lives. It was kept very much an occasional thing, used sparingly, and the show benefitted greatly from that.
And yes--Goren on CI was like Sherlock Holmes in the Conan Doyle stories: Holmes is the spice in the tale; too much backstory on him, or too much of him in the story proper outside of his deductive role, and he'd never have worked so well--the mystique of Holmes is knowing so little about the man himself. That was the feel the CI creators appeared to be going for initially with Goren, and then they appeared to forget this and made him the main focal point rather than an intriguing note. It was all too much, and I reached the point I just couldn't have cared less about his ongoing angst, no matter how winningly Vince played the role.
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