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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 13:56:22 GMT
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 12, 2018 14:32:28 GMT
I doubt it mean he'll be more powerful. Because why should they start now? It probably means he'll get a costume closer to his comics appearance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 12:00:11 GMT
I doubt it mean he'll be more powerful. Because why should they start now? It probably means he'll get a costume closer to his comics appearance. Sadly you are probably right. Although I didn't mean he would become more powerful just a better fighter since he is supposed to be one of the best martial artists in DC comics and trained the likes of Lady Shiva and I don't get why they couldn't just have him like that and had him as a really hard opponent for Oliver to take down in a fight. They made Ra' a hard opponent for him to defeat back in Season 3 and Ra' nearly killed him but with Ricardo they had him cheat to beat Oliver in their first one on one fight. If Ricardo had gone into that fight and beat Oliver fairly they would have made him look like a far bigger threat.
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 30, 2018 16:28:40 GMT
Well, the Arrowverse has been very poor on making fighters as good as they should be. Just look at Laurel Lance to see that.
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Post by dazz on Oct 1, 2018 13:44:16 GMT
Not really they fail in properly setting characters up to be as good as they are, it's not that Laurel wasn't a good fighter when they made her a fighter, it's all the same choregography and shit, it's just they didn't set her up right so no one brought it, and because they let her lack of development before becoming insta fighter be shown, same for Thea or Roy, but atleast Roy was always shown to be more show than go when against trained fighters.
I mean Thea became ninja Thea after 6 months, Prometheus became on par with Oliver in less than a year, Oliver surpassed Merlyn despite no additional training to improve himself in about a year despite Malcolm being far superior to him at first, he even exceeds Ra's after just a month of training, but that lot isn't dwelled upon, usually only Laurel's because we "saw" her training, but when you think about it we didn't she trained for months under Wildcat who isn't he supposed to be like a championship calibre fighter? then she trained with Nyssa for the same month Oliver trained with Ra's not to mention the months inbetween and after where she was training alongside all of Team Arrow.
That's the odd thing why is Oliver one of the worlds top fighters and not Diggle he's been training in h2h with Oliver for 6 years now shouldn't he be above just throwing haymakers at this point?
Diaz should have been able to hang with Oliver more than he did though imo, sure he should have cheated but not when Oliver had him beat but just when Oliver shows an edge over him, by making him using a weapon to save himself it established Oliver is good enough to beat him fairly, had Oliver nad he been almost even but Diaz then decides to cheat instead of giving Oliver a fair chance it leaves the question unanswered as to if Oliver can beat him, you use this trick in wrestling all the time, the guy hit's his finish but either cant make the cover/ref is distracted leaves the question open whether the opponent could have kicked out if the pin got counted right away, breaking up a submission or distracting the ref just before/as the guy is tapping however negates this, same for pulling the ref out and the guy being pinned not moving, as that proves he would have lost otherwise, they proved Diaz would lose to Oliver, takes away a bit of his menace, as now Oliver doesn't need to improve to beat him, he just needs to get face to face with him again.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Oct 1, 2018 15:03:38 GMT
Yeah, no one really gets proper training on this show and it's sad; especially when you have the likes of Oliver being away for five year and they initially make it seem like those five years were the total culmination of Oliver's training. When in reality, Oliver spent all of a week on the island being taught to use a bow and arrow and that was basically it. He isn't shown learning any substantially new forms of combat during his time away from home; he barely even used his bow in the flashbacks after a while. Hell, come to think of it we never even see any sort of origin of him using the salmon ladder. He apparently just decided that this looks like the type of workout regimen he wanted, after five years of not really having a dedicated workout routine and just scrapping by.
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Post by BexxyJ on Oct 3, 2018 13:24:55 GMT
Most actors on these shows couldn’t fight to save their own lives. Put them in a ring with me and I'd take them all down.
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 3, 2018 21:26:13 GMT
Don't you usually have to pay extra to get your ass beat by a beautiful woman?
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Post by stargazer1682 on Oct 3, 2018 21:42:46 GMT
Don't you usually have to pay extra to get your ass beat by a beautiful woman? Just the spectators.
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 7, 2018 13:55:36 GMT
Hey, there are some people I would love to see get their butts handed to them by a super chica for free.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 10:38:53 GMT
Not really they fail in properly setting characters up to be as good as they are, it's not that Laurel wasn't a good fighter when they made her a fighter, it's all the same choregography and shit, it's just they didn't set her up right so no one brought it, and because they let her lack of development before becoming insta fighter be shown, same for Thea or Roy, but atleast Roy was always shown to be more show than go when against trained fighters. I mean Thea became ninja Thea after 6 months, Prometheus became on par with Oliver in less than a year, Oliver surpassed Merlyn despite no additional training to improve himself in about a year despite Malcolm being far superior to him at first, he even exceeds Ra's after just a month of training, but that lot isn't dwelled upon, usually only Laurel's because we "saw" her training, but when you think about it we didn't she trained for months under Wildcat who isn't he supposed to be like a championship calibre fighter? then she trained with Nyssa for the same month Oliver trained with Ra's not to mention the months inbetween and after where she was training alongside all of Team Arrow. That's the odd thing why is Oliver one of the worlds top fighters and not Diggle he's been training in h2h with Oliver for 6 years now shouldn't he be above just throwing haymakers at this point? Diaz should have been able to hang with Oliver more than he did though imo, sure he should have cheated but not when Oliver had him beat but just when Oliver shows an edge over him, by making him using a weapon to save himself it established Oliver is good enough to beat him fairly, had Oliver nad he been almost even but Diaz then decides to cheat instead of giving Oliver a fair chance it leaves the question unanswered as to if Oliver can beat him, you use this trick in wrestling all the time, the guy hit's his finish but either cant make the cover/ref is distracted leaves the question open whether the opponent could have kicked out if the pin got counted right away, breaking up a submission or distracting the ref just before/as the guy is tapping however negates this, same for pulling the ref out and the guy being pinned not moving, as that proves he would have lost otherwise, they proved Diaz would lose to Oliver, takes away a bit of his menace, as now Oliver doesn't need to improve to beat him, he just needs to get face to face with him again. Yeah. You bring up a lot of good points there Dazz in regards to not properly setting up characters to be good fighters but I guess comic books could be blamed in a way too ‘cause there have been quite a few superheroes that have started out as regular people who suddenly become highly experienced fighters once they got superpowers or put on a costume. Quite often you will find the type of power they get has nothing to do with fighting skills and they can be shown as being useless fighters before they get powers and zap, they are great fighters who are fighting the world’s worst villains and while the ‘Spider-Man’ movies by Sam Rami showed Peter working on his fighting skills when he was going to those underground fighting tournaments I seem to recall him becoming a good fighter overnight in the original comic books and it was never explained how Spider-Man become a good fighter whereas with Jessica Drew she was a former soldier and deadly assassin before she got powers and become Spider Woman.
Ninja Thea did come awfully quick in ‘Arrow’ and it would have been better if they had a bigger time gap in the time when she was away with Malcolm but it is kinda hard to make a character which was never shown to be a good fighter in the first two seasons capable of being able to fight alongside her brother and if they had shown Thea could fight before then it would have been more believable but then again as General Kenobi has pointed out on here, Laurel was shown to be a better fighter than she was when she was training to become the Black Canary in the previous seasons and they forgot about that and made her appear to be useless and I will always say the biggest problem with Laurel was she wasn’t the Black Canary at the start taking over from her Mother, Dinah Drake.
With Prometheus I think their excuse with him was he was trained by Talia and what appeared to be the League of Shadows and Bruce Wayne was portrayed as being trained fairly quickly by Ra’ and the League of Assassins in ‘Batman Begins’ for example but the problem was the writers never portrayed Talia as a great fighter and if they had just had one scene where she had taken down Oliver the same way her Father did in Season 3 it would have made sense and set her up to be an even bigger threat to Oliver after he had dealt with Prometheus but the character appears to be dropped now and I am not sure if she is dead or alive ‘cause I don’t think it was confirmed. The writers had a perfect excuse for Adrian becoming a better fighter than Oliver if they had given him that steel crap with the advanced technology he has in the comic books ‘cause that helps him become a better fighter and can predict his opponents moves.
I agree with what you said you about Diggle and I think the reason they are holding back with him is the same reason why the Black Canary has never been portrayed as being on the same level as she is in the comic books and that is ‘cause they don’t want them overshadowing Oliver and they go out of their way to make every character look weaker to make him look stronger and we are seeing that on the show now with Oliver being in prison and the team are no longer superheroes and none of them have been able to touch Diaz and it was difficult for them to get one of the Longbow Hunters but that will most likely change when Oliver gets out and he will save the day and take down all of the Long Bow Hunters by himself and there will only be Diaz left standing with the Miracutie.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 10:40:05 GMT
Most actors on these shows couldn’t fight to save their own lives. Put them in a ring with me and I'd take them all down. Yes. You would just like you took down that nasty prey mantis the other night.
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Post by dazz on Nov 1, 2018 13:39:00 GMT
Not really they fail in properly setting characters up to be as good as they are, it's not that Laurel wasn't a good fighter when they made her a fighter, it's all the same choregography and shit, it's just they didn't set her up right so no one brought it, and because they let her lack of development before becoming insta fighter be shown, same for Thea or Roy, but atleast Roy was always shown to be more show than go when against trained fighters. I mean Thea became ninja Thea after 6 months, Prometheus became on par with Oliver in less than a year, Oliver surpassed Merlyn despite no additional training to improve himself in about a year despite Malcolm being far superior to him at first, he even exceeds Ra's after just a month of training, but that lot isn't dwelled upon, usually only Laurel's because we "saw" her training, but when you think about it we didn't she trained for months under Wildcat who isn't he supposed to be like a championship calibre fighter? then she trained with Nyssa for the same month Oliver trained with Ra's not to mention the months inbetween and after where she was training alongside all of Team Arrow. That's the odd thing why is Oliver one of the worlds top fighters and not Diggle he's been training in h2h with Oliver for 6 years now shouldn't he be above just throwing haymakers at this point? Diaz should have been able to hang with Oliver more than he did though imo, sure he should have cheated but not when Oliver had him beat but just when Oliver shows an edge over him, by making him using a weapon to save himself it established Oliver is good enough to beat him fairly, had Oliver nad he been almost even but Diaz then decides to cheat instead of giving Oliver a fair chance it leaves the question unanswered as to if Oliver can beat him, you use this trick in wrestling all the time, the guy hit's his finish but either cant make the cover/ref is distracted leaves the question open whether the opponent could have kicked out if the pin got counted right away, breaking up a submission or distracting the ref just before/as the guy is tapping however negates this, same for pulling the ref out and the guy being pinned not moving, as that proves he would have lost otherwise, they proved Diaz would lose to Oliver, takes away a bit of his menace, as now Oliver doesn't need to improve to beat him, he just needs to get face to face with him again. Yeah. You bring up a lot of good points there Dazz in regards to not properly setting up characters to be good fighters but I guess comic books could be blamed in a way too ‘cause there have been quite a few superheroes that have started out as regular people who suddenly become highly experienced fighters once they got superpowers or put on a costume. Quite often you will find the type of power they get has nothing to do with fighting skills and they can be shown as being useless fighters before they get powers and zap, they are great fighters who are fighting the world’s worst villains and while the ‘Spider-Man’ movies by Sam Rami showed Peter working on his fighting skills when he was going to those underground fighting tournaments I seem to recall him becoming a good fighter overnight in the original comic books and it was never explained how Spider-Man become a good fighter whereas with Jessica Drew she was a former soldier and deadly assassin before she got powers and become Spider Woman.
Ninja Thea did come awfully quick in ‘Arrow’ and it would have been better if they had a bigger time gap in the time when she was away with Malcolm but it is kinda hard to make a character which was never shown to be a good fighter in the first two seasons capable of being able to fight alongside her brother and if they had shown Thea could fight before then it would have been more believable but then again as General Kenobi has pointed out on here, Laurel was shown to be a better fighter than she was when she was training to become the Black Canary in the previous seasons and they forgot about that and made her appear to be useless and I will always say the biggest problem with Laurel was she wasn’t the Black Canary at the start taking over from her Mother, Dinah Drake.
With Prometheus I think their excuse with him was he was trained by Talia and what appeared to be the League of Shadows and Bruce Wayne was portrayed as being trained fairly quickly by Ra’ and the League of Assassins in ‘Batman Begins’ for example but the problem was the writers never portrayed Talia as a great fighter and if they had just had one scene where she had taken down Oliver the same way her Father did in Season 3 it would have made sense and set her up to be an even bigger threat to Oliver after he had dealt with Prometheus but the character appears to be dropped now and I am not sure if she is dead or alive ‘cause I don’t think it was confirmed. The writers had a perfect excuse for Adrian becoming a better fighter than Oliver if they had given him that steel crap with the advanced technology he has in the comic books ‘cause that helps him become a better fighter and can predict his opponents moves.
I agree with what you said you about Diggle and I think the reason they are holding back with him is the same reason why the Black Canary has never been portrayed as being on the same level as she is in the comic books and that is ‘cause they don’t want them overshadowing Oliver and they go out of their way to make every character look weaker to make him look stronger and we are seeing that on the show now with Oliver being in prison and the team are no longer superheroes and none of them have been able to touch Diaz and it was difficult for them to get one of the Longbow Hunters but that will most likely change when Oliver gets out and he will save the day and take down all of the Long Bow Hunters by himself and there will only be Diaz left standing with the Miracutie.
Lets just hope they don't S4 it and have them be incompetent without Oliver but then he shws up then everyone undermines him and shows him up a bit, because you know that shit was stupid, whats also stupid is how they do both undermine Oliver but then undermine every other character to attempt to prop him back up, when jst stop ruining the characters for jeebus's sake.
With Dig it makes sense why they don't show off his skills as much because the actor probably isn't as adapt at it, but Digg having skills that go unrecognised would have been a great moment in S5, have him and Oliver spar in front of the recruits who because of how smooth they do the stick fighting no one realises how good they both are, that the fact they can go so long is a testament to how much Dig has learned, then have Dig be the one who spars and shows up the recruits, and it would be a nice reminder and running joke for the season of the recruits realising just how much they have to learn or how seamlessly Oliver or Dig can go easy on them without showing it.
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Post by General Kenobi on Nov 4, 2018 17:17:03 GMT
I imagine they will go the S4 route because they refuse to learn from their mistakes and continue to make them because that is easier then thinking of something new.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 10:50:00 GMT
Yeah. You bring up a lot of good points there Dazz in regards to not properly setting up characters to be good fighters but I guess comic books could be blamed in a way too ‘cause there have been quite a few superheroes that have started out as regular people who suddenly become highly experienced fighters once they got superpowers or put on a costume. Quite often you will find the type of power they get has nothing to do with fighting skills and they can be shown as being useless fighters before they get powers and zap, they are great fighters who are fighting the world’s worst villains and while the ‘Spider-Man’ movies by Sam Rami showed Peter working on his fighting skills when he was going to those underground fighting tournaments I seem to recall him becoming a good fighter overnight in the original comic books and it was never explained how Spider-Man become a good fighter whereas with Jessica Drew she was a former soldier and deadly assassin before she got powers and become Spider Woman.
Ninja Thea did come awfully quick in ‘Arrow’ and it would have been better if they had a bigger time gap in the time when she was away with Malcolm but it is kinda hard to make a character which was never shown to be a good fighter in the first two seasons capable of being able to fight alongside her brother and if they had shown Thea could fight before then it would have been more believable but then again as General Kenobi has pointed out on here, Laurel was shown to be a better fighter than she was when she was training to become the Black Canary in the previous seasons and they forgot about that and made her appear to be useless and I will always say the biggest problem with Laurel was she wasn’t the Black Canary at the start taking over from her Mother, Dinah Drake.
With Prometheus I think their excuse with him was he was trained by Talia and what appeared to be the League of Shadows and Bruce Wayne was portrayed as being trained fairly quickly by Ra’ and the League of Assassins in ‘Batman Begins’ for example but the problem was the writers never portrayed Talia as a great fighter and if they had just had one scene where she had taken down Oliver the same way her Father did in Season 3 it would have made sense and set her up to be an even bigger threat to Oliver after he had dealt with Prometheus but the character appears to be dropped now and I am not sure if she is dead or alive ‘cause I don’t think it was confirmed. The writers had a perfect excuse for Adrian becoming a better fighter than Oliver if they had given him that steel crap with the advanced technology he has in the comic books ‘cause that helps him become a better fighter and can predict his opponents moves.
I agree with what you said you about Diggle and I think the reason they are holding back with him is the same reason why the Black Canary has never been portrayed as being on the same level as she is in the comic books and that is ‘cause they don’t want them overshadowing Oliver and they go out of their way to make every character look weaker to make him look stronger and we are seeing that on the show now with Oliver being in prison and the team are no longer superheroes and none of them have been able to touch Diaz and it was difficult for them to get one of the Longbow Hunters but that will most likely change when Oliver gets out and he will save the day and take down all of the Long Bow Hunters by himself and there will only be Diaz left standing with the Miracutie.
Lets just hope they don't S4 it and have them be incompetent without Oliver but then he shws up then everyone undermines him and shows him up a bit, because you know that shit was stupid, whats also stupid is how they do both undermine Oliver but then undermine every other character to attempt to prop him back up, when jst stop ruining the characters for jeebus's sake.
With Dig it makes sense why they don't show off his skills as much because the actor probably isn't as adapt at it, but Digg having skills that go unrecognised would have been a great moment in S5, have him and Oliver spar in front of the recruits who because of how smooth they do the stick fighting no one realises how good they both are, that the fact they can go so long is a testament to how much Dig has learned, then have Dig be the one who spars and shows up the recruits, and it would be a nice reminder and running joke for the season of the recruits realising just how much they have to learn or how seamlessly Oliver or Dig can go easy on them without showing it.
I agree but I have a feeling they are going to especially now we know Ricardo Diaz has the Miarakudo and they will most likely have the rest of the team come face to face with Ricardo when they can get passed the Long Bow Hunters and he will take all of them out easily and they will be unprepared and won’t know what hit them. I can see that happening this season and they will have to get the Green Arrow back to help them ‘cause he will be the only person who will be able to stop Ricardo Diaz and save the city and that could play a big part in Oliver being released from prison if the government think the Green Arrow is their only hope since he was able to defeat Slade and a whole army of soldiers who were on Mirakaudo back at the end of Season 2. What are your thoughts on them bringing back the Mirarkudo Dazz and did you expect to see it again after they were blocked from using Deathstroke? I think they are using it to make Ricardo a bigger psychical threat to Oliver on his own 'cause they failed to do that last season when they had him defeat Oliver cheating but with the Mirakudo Ricardo will have a physical advantage over Oliver now.
I like your ideas for Diggle but they seem to be going in a new direction with him this season and one the actor has said won't see him returning to Team Arrow anytime soon even after Oliver gets out of prison and that is where I think Roy will come into it and take Diggle's spot on the team and they could have him being second in charge and teaching the newer recruits but I think they have moved passed that now. I am interested in if Black Siren will official join the team when Oliver gets out of prison.
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Post by dazz on Nov 16, 2018 14:27:24 GMT
Lets just hope they don't S4 it and have them be incompetent without Oliver but then he shws up then everyone undermines him and shows him up a bit, because you know that shit was stupid, whats also stupid is how they do both undermine Oliver but then undermine every other character to attempt to prop him back up, when jst stop ruining the characters for jeebus's sake.
With Dig it makes sense why they don't show off his skills as much because the actor probably isn't as adapt at it, but Digg having skills that go unrecognised would have been a great moment in S5, have him and Oliver spar in front of the recruits who because of how smooth they do the stick fighting no one realises how good they both are, that the fact they can go so long is a testament to how much Dig has learned, then have Dig be the one who spars and shows up the recruits, and it would be a nice reminder and running joke for the season of the recruits realising just how much they have to learn or how seamlessly Oliver or Dig can go easy on them without showing it.
I agree but I have a feeling they are going to especially now we know Ricardo Diaz has the Miarakudo and they will most likely have the rest of the team come face to face with Ricardo when they can get passed the Long Bow Hunters and he will take all of them out easily and they will be unprepared and won’t know what hit them. I can see that happening this season and they will have to get the Green Arrow back to help them ‘cause he will be the only person who will be able to stop Ricardo Diaz and save the city and that could play a big part in Oliver being released from prison if the government think the Green Arrow is their only hope since he was able to defeat Slade and a whole army of soldiers who were on Mirakaudo back at the end of Season 2. What are your thoughts on them bringing back the Mirarkudo Dazz and did you expect to see it again after they were blocked from using Deathstroke? I think they are using it to make Ricardo a bigger psychical threat to Oliver on his own 'cause they failed to do that last season when they had him defeat Oliver cheating but with the Mirakudo Ricardo will have a physical advantage over Oliver now.
I like your ideas for Diggle but they seem to be going in a new direction with him this season and one the actor has said won't see him returning to Team Arrow anytime soon even after Oliver gets out of prison and that is where I think Roy will come into it and take Diggle's spot on the team and they could have him being second in charge and teaching the newer recruits but I think they have moved passed that now. I am interested in if Black Siren will official join the team when Oliver gets out of prison. I am not sure what they plan to do this season, on one hand I see Oliver getting out and being royally pissed with everyone, except Wild Dog maybe because he's the only one seemingly wanting to carry on which would be a nice change to see Renee not be the asshat of the group, also after 6-9 months in prison Oliver coming out less sociable than he usually is would make sense, hell if they kill off his buddy in the prison just before or just as he leaves that would be a major catalyst for Oliver to want to work alone again.
The whole him in prison thing is still stupid, not from what they are doing with him in prison I kind of like this but how they got him there was dumb as fuck, how a man who saved the world 3 times first from Aliens, then Damien Dahrk and also fucking Nazi's cannot get a presidential pardon is moronic.
As for the Mirakuru I kind of like it I hope it's not pure MK though like make it a serum that gives the same enhancesments but only periodically requiring regular injections, this way you explain away the psychotic break thing, but also allows for some things like the "cure" doesn't work on it due to it being modified, Diaz may need to back off when the MK runs out as it leaves him weaker for a time, and can be used in the end fight, Diaz beats Oliver when he's juiced but then the drug either wears down and Oliver then kicks the shit out of him or they go Universal Soldier and Oliver juices himself up and we get superhuman strong brawl between the two until Oliver owns him.
I hope Siren joins the team as I like KC and felt she's always got shafted since S2 ended, and I like the story for Siren she was like Laurel until the people she loved died on her, I mean we saw that a bit in "our" Laurel when hurt she could go to a dark place but she had her dad or Oliver & her friends to lean on and help her through it, Siren didn't have that all she had was people willing to exploit her anger, so it makes sense how now with people giving her a chance she could become a good guy, I really hope Oliver when he gets out is the one to embrace her as a friend the easiest and have him want to do it for Quentin, helping Siren mattered to him he gave his life for her and so Oliver is going to do all he can to be there for her also, I don't care if they get together after Felicity dies but I want Green Arrow and black Canary and yes I think Dinah needs to stay as a cop in present day after a point and Siren takes the Canary mantle and then Green Arrow & Black Canary are strong allies and friends in the very least, if they kill off Felicity and have the hook up im cool with that also but I just want that duo to work as a kick ass tandem, throw Roy or another Speedy/Red Arrow in the mix to make it a triple threat and I dig it even more.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 10:44:08 GMT
I agree but I have a feeling they are going to especially now we know Ricardo Diaz has the Miarakudo and they will most likely have the rest of the team come face to face with Ricardo when they can get passed the Long Bow Hunters and he will take all of them out easily and they will be unprepared and won’t know what hit them. I can see that happening this season and they will have to get the Green Arrow back to help them ‘cause he will be the only person who will be able to stop Ricardo Diaz and save the city and that could play a big part in Oliver being released from prison if the government think the Green Arrow is their only hope since he was able to defeat Slade and a whole army of soldiers who were on Mirakaudo back at the end of Season 2. What are your thoughts on them bringing back the Mirarkudo Dazz and did you expect to see it again after they were blocked from using Deathstroke? I think they are using it to make Ricardo a bigger psychical threat to Oliver on his own 'cause they failed to do that last season when they had him defeat Oliver cheating but with the Mirakudo Ricardo will have a physical advantage over Oliver now.
I like your ideas for Diggle but they seem to be going in a new direction with him this season and one the actor has said won't see him returning to Team Arrow anytime soon even after Oliver gets out of prison and that is where I think Roy will come into it and take Diggle's spot on the team and they could have him being second in charge and teaching the newer recruits but I think they have moved passed that now. I am interested in if Black Siren will official join the team when Oliver gets out of prison. I am not sure what they plan to do this season, on one hand I see Oliver getting out and being royally pissed with everyone, except Wild Dog maybe because he's the only one seemingly wanting to carry on which would be a nice change to see Renee not be the asshat of the group, also after 6-9 months in prison Oliver coming out less sociable than he usually is would make sense, hell if they kill off his buddy in the prison just before or just as he leaves that would be a major catalyst for Oliver to want to work alone again.
The whole him in prison thing is still stupid, not from what they are doing with him in prison I kind of like this but how they got him there was dumb as fuck, how a man who saved the world 3 times first from Aliens, then Damien Dahrk and also fucking Nazi's cannot get a presidential pardon is moronic.
As for the Mirakuru I kind of like it I hope it's not pure MK though like make it a serum that gives the same enhancesments but only periodically requiring regular injections, this way you explain away the psychotic break thing, but also allows for some things like the "cure" doesn't work on it due to it being modified, Diaz may need to back off when the MK runs out as it leaves him weaker for a time, and can be used in the end fight, Diaz beats Oliver when he's juiced but then the drug either wears down and Oliver then kicks the shit out of him or they go Universal Soldier and Oliver juices himself up and we get superhuman strong brawl between the two until Oliver owns him.
I hope Siren joins the team as I like KC and felt she's always got shafted since S2 ended, and I like the story for Siren she was like Laurel until the people she loved died on her, I mean we saw that a bit in "our" Laurel when hurt she could go to a dark place but she had her dad or Oliver & her friends to lean on and help her through it, Siren didn't have that all she had was people willing to exploit her anger, so it makes sense how now with people giving her a chance she could become a good guy, I really hope Oliver when he gets out is the one to embrace her as a friend the easiest and have him want to do it for Quentin, helping Siren mattered to him he gave his life for her and so Oliver is going to do all he can to be there for her also, I don't care if they get together after Felicity dies but I want Green Arrow and black Canary and yes I think Dinah needs to stay as a cop in present day after a point and Siren takes the Canary mantle and then Green Arrow & Black Canary are strong allies and friends in the very least, if they kill off Felicity and have the hook up im cool with that also but I just want that duo to work as a kick ass tandem, throw Roy or another Speedy/Red Arrow in the mix to make it a triple threat and I dig it even more.
Well, we are midway through the season now and we still don’t know what their plans for the rest of the season are or who the main villain is going to be as we were discussing previously and I think this is the most unorganised season they have made compared to previous seasons and you only have to look back at all the previous seasons where we knew Malcolm Merylyn, Deathstroke, Ra’ al, Damian Dhark, Prometheus and Ricardo Diaz were the main villains and Oliver would have a big face off with them at the end of the season but at this point things could go either way now Oliver is out and they could have a storyline where there is a big earthquake in Star City and Team Arrow needs to rescue everybody and get them all to safety for all we know and I think a big part of that has to do with the new showrunner.
One thing we know the show is going to be focusing on moving forward is the new Green Arrow and now we know it is Oliver’s Step Sister we have a number of questions like why she is here, why she is hiding her identity from Oliver and is she a friend or a foe and while it is highly unlikely she’s working for Hydra like Beccy suggested on the subject thread lol ‘cause they are a Marvel villain group we are all expecting her to be like she is in the comic books but maybe they might do what they did with the Adrian Chase character and have her turn out to be the villain instead. I think we are going to see his psychotic prison buddy again or they wouldn’t have had him escape from prison too but just what he does remains to be seen and I am still not sure of what he is capable of or why he was in prison in the first place.
From a physical point of view he doesn’t look like he is much of a threat to the Green Arrow but if he is Killer Moth and puts on the costume with the jetpack and armour and has the special gun that can shoot sticky acid at people and grenades he will be a major threat going forward. What is interesting is there hasn’t been much news about the second half of the season and usually a lot of sites have all kinds of rumours about what is going to happen when the show returns and there has been rumours about the other shows and we know Lex Luthor is coming to ‘Supergirl’ soon and the Reverse Flash is back in ‘The Flash’ but the only thing I have come across with ‘Arrow’ is Connor Hawke is returning in the second half and that will most likely be in the flash forwards to the future.
I think Black Siren will join Team Arrow this season and we are slowly seeing her warm to the others and Dinah even looks to be seeing her in a different light now and it is only a matter of time and they will all be friends like Crowley became with Sam, Dean and Castiel in ‘Supernatural’ lol but I am really not sure what their plans are for Dinah ‘cause she is the Black Canary again in the future flashes and unless they change those she will most likely be the Black Canary at the end. A lot of people thought the grown up version of William from the Flash Forwards was the Green Arrow and we know that isn’t true but they might still have him find a way to go back to the past and change things but my only problem with that is it would be too similar to what they are doing on ‘The Flash’ with Nora.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 1, 2019 1:18:55 GMT
Halfway through the season and no idea what the villain's nefarious scheme is? Sheesh. Way to drop the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 12:05:55 GMT
Halfway through the season and no idea what the villain's nefarious scheme is? Sheesh. Way to drop the ball. Ohh. It is not just so much we don't know the villain's nefarious scheme but we have no idea who the main villain is at the moment and they are spending so much time going back and forth to the future flashes I wouldn't be surprised if the main villain turns out to be a character in the future instead of the present. I know you aren't watching the show anymore but did you know future Renee has turned to the dark side and is no longer friends with the team?
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Post by BexxyJ on Feb 24, 2019 14:06:31 GMT
Halfway through the season and no idea what the villain's nefarious scheme is? Sheesh. Way to drop the ball. Ohh. It is not just so much we don't know the villain's nefarious scheme but we have no idea who the main villain is at the moment and they are spending so much time going back and forth to the future flashes I wouldn't be surprised if the main villain turns out to be a character in the future instead of the present. I know you aren't watching the show anymore but did you know future Renee has turned to the dark side and is no longer friends with the team? You're not thinking right. The future is the series villain. Sounds dumb but if the future is so bad it should be the mission of all the superheroes to change it and the past and the future will come together to rewrite the wrongs.
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