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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 16, 2018 2:24:54 GMT
The law and the judicial system says it. Unless the deceased is found on a military base, an Indian reservation, or a foreign embassy, then local PD has jurisdiction to investigate any deaths they deem to be suspicious. DAs don't give a shit if the victim works for the government or is a member of SHIELD or any government agency. 2 dead bodies are found within their county. That's their jurisdiction and they're going to investigate. And DAs often deal with Feds getting involved and trying to shut down their investigation for some reason or another so Howard and Maria Stark's case wouldn't be anything new or special that the DA hasn't dealt with before. And like with other cases where Feds get involved and try to shut down their investigation for some reason or another, DAs are usually stubborn and persistent and don't back down just because a few Feds threaten them. Feds getting involved and trying to shut down their investigation just makes most DAs work harder to uncover the truth. So what if that's what happens in real life this is a fucking movie, this shit like the keeping weekly near misses secret from the public is a common tv and film trope, none of the shit in cbm's of any kind work if you scrutinise them by real world logic, how the fuck doesn't everyone know who Superman is, fuck the argument that oh the Clark persona is so different to Superman no one can buy him as the man of steel how the fuck does he get around facial recognition software or the surveillance state we live in now or every tom dick and harry having smart phones and constantly taking selfies, how does Spidey deal with this issue, he doesn't even have superspeed.
How the fuck can Spider-Man even swing like he does, it should kill him every time he tries it, how can The Atom breath when he shrinks? how is Superman able to fly to different solar systems in the comics when he is no longer energized by a yellow sun when the sudden appearance or red sunlight renders him impotent, how do shrinking heroes both keep their full bodied physical strength but not their full bodied weight.
There are hundreds of bullshit things with comics you just go with, this is a bs thing that is prevelant in hundreds of other shows, movies, books and whatever else why the fuck do you care so much about it not being real world accurate only for the MCU?
And also again Shield is not like any real world agency their power established on their shows and films far exceeds any normal agency similar to agencies like Argus, both are unchecked in their powers when needed or bogged down by red tape again when needed, comparing them to real life agencies is borderline retarded, so I ask why the fuck are you doing so now only for the MCU? oh yeah it's because you are a fucking troll.
You also have it that Superman told a high ranking military officer that he grew up in Kansas. Spider-man swinging would only hurt the Tobey Maquire version since he has hollow forearms that holds sacks for web fluid. But Spider-man has super strength so he can go about swinging without hurting himself. Especially in the movies where he mostly lets go of one webline before shooting the next. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 16, 2018 2:33:20 GMT
Would you please be kind enough to point out where I supplied a "BS" answer to your questions? It's your questions that are complete nonsense because the answers are obvious if you are intelligent enough to see and comprehend them. You can't blame everyone else if your questions don't make any sense and are nearly all invalid. You're getting to the point where it is a statistical impossibility that so many people have not managed to give you the "right" answer even by accident. It's BS because you gave good answers and he didn't want that. He wants to have reasons to hate the MCU. Notice he didn't reply to you. I did notice that. I have also noticed that it is easier for him to pick debate opponents who will present weaker arguments, become enraged or frustrated easily, or just give up as DC-Fan tends to use the same enervating debate tactics. He will attempt to wear his opponent down with nonsensical and repetitive arguments in a battle of attrition. When the combatant inevitably leaves the field frustrated that they can not even establish a mutually shared understanding of the objective reality of the situation, DC-Fan will unilaterally declare himself the winner of the engagement. A true Death Lord is not so easily enraged or fatigued. Hee hee hee... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 3:06:40 GMT
DC Fan is BACK!!!!&!!! And in top form!!!!@!!! To be honest though, these aren't bad questions.PLOT HOLES!!!!%!! No question is a bad question I suppose but, these questions are not particularly insightful or conducive to productive discussion. These are the questions of someone who is choosing to be willfully ignorant and has already made up their minds about the answers. I suppose you are correct, Skull Man. But folks 'round these parts are too obsessed with our resident DC fan, DC Fan. He may be baiting you guys, but he at least makes some decent points in this thread. Pointless? Oh yes. But harmlessly pointless. And pointlessly harmless! |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Sept 16, 2018 3:55:30 GMT
No question is a bad question I suppose but, these questions are not particularly insightful or conducive to productive discussion. These are the questions of someone who is choosing to be willfully ignorant and has already made up their minds about the answers. But folks 'round these parts are too obsessed with our resident DC fan, DC Fan. Well can you blame them? He keeps trying to make them look bad, he keeps implying they’re despicable people, he keeps calling them stupid, he even implied they were all pedophiles a while ago, etc... Just because they like a movie franchise he doesn’t like. Why do you guys even like that psycho? It’s weird... The guy’s a creepy weirdo. He would probably celebrate if someone important for the MCU like Kevin Feige died. I know he gets ecstatic everytime someone involved with the MCU gets accused of committing a horrible crime and he hopes they’re guilty. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 16, 2018 4:28:08 GMT
But folks 'round these parts are too obsessed with our resident DC fan, DC Fan. Well can you blame them? He keeps implying they’re despicable people, he calls them stupid, he calls them pedophiles and all sorts of things, etc... Just because they like a movie franchise he doesn’t like. Why do you guys even like that psycho? It’s weird... The guy’s a creepy weirdo.I couldn't agree with you more. The "cult of personality" that's been built up around DC-Fan on this board is disturbing in the extreme to me but, far be it from me to tell anyone who they should and should not celebrate. I don't think it's a coincidence that his following is mostly made up of individuals who are just as petty and combative as he is. |
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Post by damngumby on Sept 16, 2018 5:03:25 GMT
I've asked these questions before, but MCU fans have never been able to answer them. So I'll ask again: 1. Bucky shot out the camera. Since there's a tape of the murders, that means the recorded footage was already sent to a central location for storage before Bucky shot out the camera. How did HYDRA know where to get the recorded footage? More importantly, if HYDRA was able to go get the recorded footage from some central storage location, why didn't the police do that too? 2. Why was the investigation so shoddy? 2 people die in a car crash. Investigators would want to know how it happened. Was there another car and driver involved, who may have fled the scene? If not, then what caused Howard Stark to crash his car? Was he speeding? If so, were there skidmarks? Or was he drunk? Or did he have drugs in his system? If not, then what caused him to crash his car? Was the car defective? Why didn't the investigators look at the video footage? 3. Maria Stark was choked to death so she would've had bruises and palm prints around her neck and a crushed larynx. Why did the coroner rule that an accidental death? Was the coroner just incompetent? Some MCU fans claimed that HYDRA bribed the coroner to cover up the murders? If so, then why did HYDRA keep the videotape, the 1 piece of evidence that contradicts the coroner's report and conclusively proves that it was murder, for 25 years? Some MCU fans claimed that they kept the videotape as proof that the mission was completed. 1st, Howard and Maria Stark's deaths were reported in the newspapers so that pretty much proves that the Starks were dead and the mission was completed. 2nd, even if HYDRA needed the videotape to prove that the mission was completed, once they viewed the videotape, there wasn't any reason to keep the videotape anymore. So why didn't HYDRA destroy the videotape, the 1 piece of evidence that contradicts the coroner's report and conclusively proves that it was murder, after they viewed it? Did HYDRA not know how to destroy the videotape? 4. Why didn't Zemo just upload the videotape to the Internet for the whole world to see? Did Zemo not have Internet access? How did Zemo even know that Cap and Iron Man both knew to go to the base in Siberia and how did Zemo even know Cap and Iron both would show up at the base in Siberia within seconds of each other? Did Zemo have psychic powers? 1. Since the Starks were in route to the Pentagon, we have to assume the security camera was the property of the Pentagon. And, since S.H.I.E.L.D. had many Hydra agents embedded in their ranks at the time, it's safe to conclude that procuring the videotape was a trivial matter for Hydra. 2. It's not uncommon for a clandestine organization to hinder a legitimate investigation which involves classified assets, personnel and or matters of national security. A "cover story" was likely generated to prevent the actual circumstances of the Stark's deaths from leaking to the public. 3. a) Again, the coroner and anyone else intimately involved with the investigation, was likely made to go along with the aforementioned "cover story" regarding the Stark's death. Also, it was probably S.H.I.E.L.D. that generated the cover story and not Hydra - although, given the deep entanglement of the two organizations at the time, it would be a challenge to say who was responsible for what exactly. 3. b) Civil War established that Hydra - for whatever reason - kept detailed mission logs of the Winter Soldier's activities. Mission logs are usually accompanied by artifacts that are related to the mission. 3. c) The videotape actually shows the Winter Soldier in action in the field. It would have been rare if not entirely unheard of for anyone within Hydra (or otherwise) to see the Winter Soldier in action during a covert operation. The videotape served the dual purpose of establishing how the StarKs "really" died and it also makes for one hell of a capabilities presentation. 4. Zemo was interested in executing a precision operation. Showing the videotape only to the interested parties, as opposed to the world at large, helped him to achieve this objective more expediently. Really glad to see that this film continues to capture your imagination. Asked and answered. Is everyone good with these answers? If DC-Fraud can’t keep up with the rest of us, we’re just going to have to leave him behind. Again. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 16, 2018 7:07:01 GMT
Yes, yes, we've all seen this song and dance play out, that you keep bringing this up and getting owned every single time just cements the notion that you are a major troll.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 16, 2018 7:15:46 GMT
Yes, yes, we've all seen this song and dance play out, that you keep bringing this up and getting owned every single time just cements the notion that you are a major troll. At this point, it is almost too reductive to label his actions as simple trolling. The compulsive repetitions, aggressive tantrums and disorganized thinking has to place him somewhere on “the spectrum”. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 16, 2018 7:20:44 GMT
Yes, yes, we've all seen this song and dance play out, that you keep bringing this up and getting owned every single time just cements the notion that you are a major troll. At this point, it is almost too reductive to label his actions as simple trolling. The compulsive repetitions, aggressive tantrums and disorganized thinking has to place him somewhere on “the spectrum”. Eh, I don't know I've come across some pretty life-long dedicated trolls in my time. |
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Post by summers8 on Sept 16, 2018 10:13:16 GMT
Bigger question for civil war. why couldn't the real climax of the film be like this,
or this
Bucky does not talk at all but steve punches people more and more on his behalf.okay..lol.
civil war , a showcase of brainless characters who use their fist all the time to solve their problems, zero complex story telling..
no intellectual philosophy you see in magneto, xavier, batman or dent like DOFP or TDK.
whatever mcu fans.
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Post by merh on Sept 16, 2018 11:31:18 GMT
I've asked these questions before, but MCU fans have never been able to answer them. So I'll ask again: 1. Bucky shot out the camera. Since there's a tape of the murders, that means the recorded footage was already sent to a central location for storage before Bucky shot out the camera. How did HYDRA know where to get the recorded footage? More importantly, if HYDRA was able to go get the recorded footage from some central storage location, why didn't the police do that too? This has been explained to you before. Its like that old Bill Cosby skit about his daughter when she was like 5 DAUGHTER: You gonna go to school today? DAD: No, I graduated. DAUGHTER: You gonna go to school today? DAD:No, I graduated. DAUGHTER: You gonna go to school today? DAD: Get outta here kid. You're bothering me. What part of Hydra "sever 1 head 2 more grow in its place" do you not get. In Winter Soldier it was shown Hydra was ALL OVER like the Illuminati conspiracy theory. Senators, police, EVERYWHERE. Why is is SO HARD TO COMPREHEND a secret organization fixated on controlling the world had people strategically placed everywhere. THEY OWNED BUCKY. As was said in Winter Soldier, he waa a ghost that existed for 75 yrs. They hauled him out of cold storahe, zapped his brain to ne their perfect little robot/brainwashed mindless killing machine, then put him back in cryo. Hydra took the footage. Either the police never saw it, or the cops investigating it were Hydra & stamped the answer they were ordered to stamp on the investigation. It is SUPPOSED to give off a creepy Illuminati vibe. This is the same question as above. When I started with the government body I work for, I met a guy who claimed he never got a ticket, never got pulled over because he had a sticker on his car claiming to be part of a certain group. A black guy so for all the claims of black people being targeted by cops, this guy allegedly had a "don't touch me" sticker. I mentally dismissed it as BS, but this is what we are saying with Hydra THEY WERE EVERYWHERE IN ALL LEVELS OF SOCIETY One imagines even CHILDREN IN SCHOOLS. EVERYWHERE. |
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 16, 2018 15:07:58 GMT
It's BS because you gave good answers and he didn't want that. He wants to have reasons to hate the MCU. Notice he didn't reply to you. I did notice that. I have also noticed that it is easier for him to pick debate opponents who will present weaker arguments, become enraged or frustrated easily, or just give up as DC-Fan tends to use the same enervating debate tactics. He will attempt to wear his opponent down with nonsensical and repetitive arguments in a battle of attrition. When the combatant inevitably leaves the field frustrated that they can not even establish a mutually shared understanding of the objective reality of the situation, DC-Fan will unilaterally declare himself the winner of the engagement. A true Death Lord is not so easily enraged or fatigued. Hee hee hee... This is why DC-Fan very rarely replies to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 17:30:40 GMT
But folks 'round these parts are too obsessed with our resident DC fan, DC Fan. Well can you blame them? He keeps trying to make them look bad, he keeps implying they’re despicable people, he keeps calling them stupid, he even implied they were all pedophiles a while ago, etc... Just because they like a movie franchise he doesn’t like. Why do you guys even like that psycho? It’s weird... The guy’s a creepy weirdo. He would probably celebrate if someone important for the MCU like Kevin Feige died. I know he gets ecstatic everytime someone involved with the MCU gets accused of committing a horrible crime and he hopes they’re guilty. You do realize it's you guys that keep him here by replying and arguing with him on his threads? If you all ignored him he would've left here ages ago. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 16, 2018 17:34:53 GMT
Well can you blame them? He keeps trying to make them look bad, he keeps implying they’re despicable people, he keeps calling them stupid, he even implied they were all pedophiles a while ago, etc... Just because they like a movie franchise he doesn’t like. Why do you guys even like that psycho? It’s weird... The guy’s a creepy weirdo. He would probably celebrate if someone important for the MCU like Kevin Feige died. I know he gets ecstatic everytime someone involved with the MCU gets accused of committing a horrible crime and he hopes they’re guilty. You do realize it's you guys that keep him here by replying and arguing with him on his threads? If you all ignored him he would've left here ages ago. BRILLIANT! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 17:38:54 GMT
Well can you blame them? He keeps implying they’re despicable people, he calls them stupid, he calls them pedophiles and all sorts of things, etc... Just because they like a movie franchise he doesn’t like. Why do you guys even like that psycho? It’s weird... The guy’s a creepy weirdo.I couldn't agree with you more. The "cult of personality" that's been built up around DC-Fan on this board is disturbing in the extreme to me but, far be it from me to tell anyone who they should and should not celebrate. I don't think it's a coincidence that his following is mostly made up of individuals who are just as petty and combative as he is. My "praising" of DC Fan is being taken a bit too literally. It's not DC Fan that amuses me but rather the obsession that people have with him. He has the remarkable ability to make hoards of fans argue with him until his threads are 10 pages long. Why you guys feel the need to even click on them is beyond me. I'm a Marvel fan and I can laugh them off quite easily. Case in point: our old pal Weibiblers. He was honestly one of my favorite users here. But his single minded obsession with DC fan got so extreme that now all he's posted for the past six months are deranged half insane theories that all the mods here are DC Fan socks. And he believes that crazy shit! Hell, you remember the ridiculous "v2 troll watch" thread, right? (In case you were wondering why I left KW, that's one reason why) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 17:52:53 GMT
It just occurred to me that the gents at Knowwhere are probably reading these posts... Sorry, guys! Gotta speak the truth! Weiblers, you know I still love you!  |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 16, 2018 17:59:33 GMT
It just occurred to me that the gents at Knowwhere are probably reading these posts... Sorry, guys! Gotta speak the truth! Weiblers, you know I still love you! They "Know" that! |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 16, 2018 18:01:20 GMT
I did notice that. I have also noticed that it is easier for him to pick debate opponents who will present weaker arguments, become enraged or frustrated easily, or just give up as DC-Fan tends to use the same enervating debate tactics. He will attempt to wear his opponent down with nonsensical and repetitive arguments in a battle of attrition. When the combatant inevitably leaves the field frustrated that they can not even establish a mutually shared understanding of the objective reality of the situation, DC-Fan will unilaterally declare himself the winner of the engagement. A true Death Lord is not so easily enraged or fatigued. Hee hee hee... This is why DC-Fan very rarely replies to me. Skulls have to stay united. Movies have an internal language and heightened reality that is not meant to be a perfect approximation of real life. It would be absurd and ridiculous to expect that unless you are a child. When you shoot at a car's gas tank in real life it does not immediately explode and somersault in the air. A question for DC-Fan and all of his acolytes: Why is he so determined to hold this particular movie - and no other - to a standard of verisimilitude that no fictional work can achieve? There has to be some kind of obsession at work here. That's just common sense. If DC-Fan was sincere in seeking answers to his "questions" he would consider all contributions instead of cherry picking the ones that are weak enough to refute or support his obvious anti-MCU agenda. His questions are often times so ludicrous as to not amount to much more than this... Why do we never see Steve Rogers, Bucky Barnes or Tony Stark go to the bathroom in Civil War? We clearly see Tony Stark drink coffee near the beginning of the film and yet we never see him go to the bathroom to urinate. Isn't his bladder full from the coffee by the second act? Or, are the Avengers so poor they can't afford bathrooms in their multi-million dollar mansion? Do they just pee in their uniforms?People will then try to respond to this pablum and, after much wasted time, deflections, and off-hand dismissals, he will give you the answer he was looking for. I'll tell you why you never see them urinate, it's because Steve Rogers is a dictator who wants everyone to pee on themselves for his amusement. If the team visited a urologist, the doctor would confirm this and he would not allow Steve Rogers to force everyone to wet themselves and lose their dignity. Steve Rogers is an anti-humanitarian and the MCU supports people (in real life) wetting their pants instead of going to the bathroom.All kidding aside, I don't have a problem with him hating the MCU, I just wish he'd own it instead of going through this half-baked routine of objectivity and bipartisanship. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 16, 2018 18:16:37 GMT
I couldn't agree with you more. The "cult of personality" that's been built up around DC-Fan on this board is disturbing in the extreme to me but, far be it from me to tell anyone who they should and should not celebrate. I don't think it's a coincidence that his following is mostly made up of individuals who are just as petty and combative as he is. My "praising" of DC Fan is being taken a bit too literally. It's not DC Fan that amuses me but rather the obsession that people have with him. He has the remarkable ability to make hoards of fans argue with him until his threads are 10 pages long. Why you guys feel the need to even click on them is beyond me. I'm a Marvel fan and I can laugh them off quite easily. Case in point: our old pal Weibiblers. He was honestly one of my favorite users here. But his single minded obsession with DC fan got so extreme that now all he's posted for the past six months are deranged half insane theories that all the mods here are DC Fan socks. And he believes that crazy shit! Hell, you remember the ridiculous "v2 troll watch" thread, right? (In case you were wondering why I left KW, that's one reason why) I wasn't speaking about you in particular, apologies if it came off that way. Why you left Knowhere is your own business and it's frankly no concern of mine. I can't speak for Wellibers or anything he said or did. What I can say is that this so-called obsession is a two-way street. DC-Fan appears to be just as obsessed with the MCU and Civil War in particular as some here are with debating him to a stand still on nonsensical "questions" and click-bait topics. You say you think he brings up good points, I can't agree with that. More times than not, he contributes less than nothing of value to a discussion about anything related to Marvel or the MCU. But, I get it, its fun to watch a clown dance. I'm just hoping for some new moves sometime in this century. Not one to tell anyone how to run their lives, such as they are but, he could really use a new cause. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 16, 2018 18:21:36 GMT
It just occurred to me that the gents at Knowwhere are probably reading these posts... Sorry, guys! Gotta speak the truth! Weiblers, you know I still love you! Don't lose any sleep over it, we're doing just fine. Knowhere is a fan forum and this isn't. The world don't move to the beat of just one drum... |
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