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Post by RiP, IMDb on Oct 2, 2018 3:51:22 GMT
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Post by thefleetsin on Oct 2, 2018 3:54:23 GMT
because living the life of a right wing nazi would be such the redeeming thing to do.
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Post by goz on Oct 2, 2018 3:58:22 GMT
Luckily there is no such thing as sin and liberalism is a recommended model for people and societies to get along better individually and in society. It is egalitarian, logical thinking and humanistic promoting equality and hopefully gets rid of much of the conservatism that allowed bigotry, sexism and racism owing to the rigid patriarchal hierarchies of government politics and religion.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Oct 2, 2018 4:30:43 GMT
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Oct 2, 2018 4:46:30 GMT
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Post by goz on Oct 2, 2018 6:10:05 GMT
Luckily there is no absolute moral code, and liberalism adjusts to modern times and modern issues leaving behind the racism bigotry and sexism of those conservative anachronisms that have plagued the past allowing a new logical altruistic egalitarian future. |
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Post by goz on Oct 2, 2018 6:11:29 GMT
It is highly telling that your quotes as rebuttals come from several centuries past. Typical. |
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Post by phludowin on Oct 2, 2018 8:06:09 GMT
It is highly telling that your quotes as rebuttals come from several centuries past. Typical. In fact, I wonder if the OP knows that in Europe, liberalism is a synonym for libertarianism; an ideology embraced by many US Republicans. Maybe the OP believes that Republicans are sinners. |
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Post by progressiveelement on Oct 2, 2018 8:11:57 GMT
So, fascism and communism, yay?
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Post by rizdek on Oct 2, 2018 9:21:08 GMT
Describe the liberalism of which you speak...what are its goals, what is its agenda, how does it say we should approach life, what philosophy does it espouse?
Jesus was a liberal. Look at his teachings. Love your neighbor. Love your enemies. Turn the other cheek. If someone asks for you cloak, give him your cloak also. Do good to those who abuse you. Love the down trodden, love the sinners. But then, Jesus was considered a heretic by the religious of the day.
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Post by progressiveelement on Oct 2, 2018 14:02:33 GMT
To an asshole, it is.
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Post by thefleetsin on Oct 2, 2018 14:39:37 GMT
Luckily there is no absolute moral code, and liberalism adjusts to modern times and modern issues leaving behind the racism bigotry and sexism of those conservative anachronisms that have plagued the past allowing a new logical altruistic egalitarian future. but but but but but if we lack the stone tablets to hammer our points right through the skulls of the unknowing, what's the point in representing a blood-lusting monster in the first place? |
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Post by general313 on Oct 2, 2018 14:51:44 GMT
Where's the link to "Education makes it easier to sin"?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 2, 2018 16:31:43 GMT
Troll harder
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Post by thefleetsin on Oct 2, 2018 18:35:16 GMT
bang the bum slowly
here in the land of the freak and the home
of the slave
we require
only the perpetually brave
who
buy into a prophecy
where
males get laid
every time a snowflake
makes
some shade
over the same old barbarism
they played
when the pilgrims landed
promoting
these hands shall never
turn a spade.
sjw 10/02/18 inspired at this very moment in time by a sequential rhythm that sticks in my head.
from the 'blathering series' of poems
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Post by mslo79 on Oct 3, 2018 23:04:08 GMT
I pretty much judge political parties as a whole, be it conservative or liberal, based on which one is more inline with God's moral order. so in this regard it's obvious liberals are most opposed to God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)). so it's pretty easy to see which party is the overall better choice. NOTE: I am not saying either side is perfect, as we are all sinners, but basically conservative values are obviously the safer bet looking at things from God's point of view if you have to choose between the two. like I don't see how anyone can be a Christian, who takes it a bit more seriously, and still support abortion as God greatly frowns on that one as it's murder from His point of view. one of the major areas liberals go off-the-rails is they support abortion which is a evil act (i.e. abortion is murder in the eyes of the Catholic church and that's THE church Jesus Christ started with Peter, who's basically the first pope, and then went down through the generations til today) and God greatly frowns on that one as it's a serious sin. when someone fails to get that basic life issue correct (i.e. liberals put a persons "choice" higher than a persons right to life when it should be the other way around) it's only a matter of time before their morals are pretty much in the toilet which is what's happening on the left as the decades pass as without a moral order based around God, chaos ensues. liberals tend to be backwards in general and lately many of them support what was once bad is now good and what was once good is now bad. those more extreme liberals are blind. p.s. those who deny the reality of sin just raise their chances of ending up in hell when they die. they might think it's all BS now but when they get closer to death they might feel a bit differently  ; basically if one reject God, He simply confirms their choice and hell is the alternative. because since all good comes from God, and they are removed from God by rejecting him, nothing good can remain whatsoever. so nothing but suffering/hate beyond comprehension remain in hell since they rejected THE good, which is God by living a life of sin etc. gozBecause morality was generally of higher standards back then than it is in today's world where more and more people are drifting away from God. God's morality does not change with time as it's the same regardless of what's popular or unpopular in society at any given time. just look at societies moral decline here in the USA over the last 50-60 years or so. but since your on the left you probably see it as "progress". I think that's probably why conservatives and liberals are so opposed in today's politics because the left is going further left while the right holds about where it was. so the more left the left goes, the more they will begin to hate the right since the right tends to hold fairly steady around God's morality which is the truth. I am not saying everything is worse in today's world vs 50+ years ago, as some stuff improved, but in some ways it's worse. also, I am not saying everyone in the left is horrible etc but enough of them in a position of power are corrupt and promote stuff that God opposes. but as this quote from the bible says... "Make no mistake: God is not mocked, for a person will reap only what he sows, because the one who sows for his flesh will reap corruption from the flesh, but the one who sows for the spirit will reap eternal life from the spirit." - Galatians 6:7-8 rizdekBut Jesus does not act like sin is no big deal as sin has consequences. also, loving someone means wanting what's best for that person which is doing what we can for that person to reach Heaven. so correcting someone when they do wrong, is actually a act of love. but liberals call it "hate speech" or "bigot" etc when we try to correct them and tell them what they are doing is a sin. one of the liberals major violations... they support abortion which Jesus Christ considers murder and that's obviously pretty serious. basically I don't see how one can be Christian and support abortion as there is a major conflict there. trust me, Jesus Christ is more conservative than liberal for sure given what each party support it's obvious He's more inline with conservative values than liberals progressive "values". that's where conservatives and liberals differ... conservatives generally base their morality as best they can around Jesus Christ, which is objective morality, where as liberals tend to think morality is subjective and they basically make things up as they go along which, given enough time, you can see the moral standards decline as the decades pass and that's what happening on the left right now and why they are so opposed to conservatives because they are drifting further and further away from God and after a while they begin to love their sin and hate what's good because of it. like I always say... once someone thinks abortion is no big deal that's the beginning of their moral decline since it's a lack of respect for human life at it's most innocent stage. that's a red flag. phludowinUnless your Jesus Christ or His mother Mary, then your a sinner. so basically just shy of everyone who has ever walked the planet is a sinner regardless of which political party your with. but with that said... it's pretty obvious conservative values are more inline with Jesus Christ than liberals progressive "values" are. |
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Post by goz on Oct 3, 2018 23:26:32 GMT
I pretty much judge political parties as a whole, be it conservative or liberal, based on which one is more inline with God's moral order. so in this regard it's obvious liberals are most opposed to God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)). so it's pretty easy to see which party is the overall better choice. NOTE: I am not saying either side is perfect, as we are all sinners, but basically conservative values are obviously the safer bet looking at things from God's point of view if you have to choose between the two. like I don't see how anyone can be a Christian, who takes it a bit more seriously, and still support abortion as God greatly frowns on that one as it's murder from His point of view. one of the major areas liberals go off-the-rails is they support abortion which is a evil act (i.e. abortion is murder in the eyes of the Catholic church and that's THE church Jesus Christ started with Peter, who's basically the first pope, and then went down through the generations til today) and God greatly frowns on that one as it's a serious sin. when someone fails to get that basic life issue correct (i.e. liberals put a persons "choice" higher than a persons right to life when it should be the other way around) it's only a matter of time before their morals are pretty much in the toilet which is what's happening on the left as the decades pass as without a moral order based around God, chaos ensues. liberals tend to be backwards in general and lately many of them support what was once bad is now good and what was once good is now bad. those more extreme liberals are blind. p.s. those who deny the reality of sin just raise their chances of ending up in hell when they die. they might think it's all BS now but when they get closer to death they might feel a bit differently ; basically if one reject God, He simply confirms their choice and hell is the alternative. because since all good comes from God, and they are removed from God by rejecting him, nothing good can remain whatsoever. so nothing but suffering/hate beyond comprehension remain in hell since they rejected THE good, which is God by living a life of sin etc. goz Because morality was generally of higher standards back then than it is in today's world where more and more people are drifting away from God. God's morality does not change with time as it's the same regardless of what's popular or unpopular in society at any given time. just look at societies moral decline here in the USA over the last 50-60 years or so. but since your on the left you probably see it as "progress". I think that's probably why conservatives and liberals are so opposed in today's politics because the left is going further left while the right holds about where it was. so the more left the left goes, the more they will begin to hate the right since the right tends to hold fairly steady around God's morality which is the truth. I am not saying everything is worse in today's world vs 50+ years ago, as some stuff improved, but in some ways it's worse. also, I am not saying everyone in the left is horrible etc but enough of them in a position of power are corrupt and promote stuff that God opposes. but as this quote from the bible says... "Make no mistake: God is not mocked, for a person will reap only what he sows, because the one who sows for his flesh will reap corruption from the flesh, but the one who sows for the spirit will reap eternal life from the spirit." - Galatians 6:7-8 rizdek But Jesus does not act like sin is no big deal as sin has consequences. also, loving someone means wanting what's best for that person which is doing what we can for that person to reach Heaven. so correcting someone when they do wrong, is actually a act of love. but liberals call it "hate speech" or "bigot" etc when we try to correct them and tell them what they are doing is a sin. one of the liberals major violations... they support abortion which Jesus Christ considers murder and that's obviously pretty serious. basically I don't see how one can be Christian and support abortion as there is a major conflict there. trust me, Jesus Christ is more conservative than liberal for sure given what each party support it's obvious He's more inline with conservative values than liberals progressive "values". that's where conservatives and liberals differ... conservatives generally base their morality as best they can around Jesus Christ, which is objective morality, where as liberals tend to think morality is subjective and they basically make things up as they go along which, given enough time, you can see the moral standards decline as the decades pass and that's what happening on the left right now and why they are so opposed to conservatives because they are drifting further and further away from God and after a while they begin to love their sin and hate what's good because of it. like I always say... once someone thinks abortion is no big deal that's the beginning of their moral decline since it's a lack of respect for human life at it's most innocent stage. that's a red flag. phludowin Unless your Jesus Christ or His mother Mary, then your a sinner. so basically just shy of everyone who has ever walked the planet is a sinner regardless of which political party your with. but with that said... it's pretty obvious conservative values are more inline with Jesus Christ than liberals progressive "values" are. Everything you say is predictably Christian right. This statement however is totally and absolutely untrue. Your own Bible proves it with changing attitudes to murder, slavery and other societal anthropological issues, legalities and customs. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 2:13:37 GMT
one of the major areas liberals go off-the-rails is they support abortion... Support of choice, not support of abortion. Many that support choice don't wish to ever have one. If god gave us free will, isn't choice part of that process? Can one be forgiven for abortion? Is abortion worse than murder? Liberals and conservatives both break all the Ten Commandments... which commandments are the more 'serious'? |
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Post by rizdek on Oct 4, 2018 8:14:57 GMT
rizdek But Jesus does not act like sin is no big deal as sin has consequences. also, loving someone means wanting what's best for that person which is doing what we can for that person to reach Heaven. so correcting someone when they do wrong, is actually a act of love. but liberals call it "hate speech" or "bigot" etc when we try to correct them and tell them what they are doing is a sin. one of the liberals major violations... they support abortion which Jesus Christ considers murder and that's obviously pretty serious. basically I don't see how one can be Christian and support abortion as there is a major conflict there. trust me, Jesus Christ is more conservative than liberal for sure given what each party support it's obvious He's more inline with conservative values than liberals progressive "values". that's where conservatives and liberals differ... conservatives generally base their morality as best they can around Jesus Christ, which is objective morality, where as liberals tend to think morality is subjective and they basically make things up as they go along which, given enough time, you can see the moral standards decline as the decades pass and that's what happening on the left right now and why they are so opposed to conservatives because they are drifting further and further away from God and after a while they begin to love their sin and hate what's good because of it. like I always say... once someone thinks abortion is no big deal that's the beginning of their moral decline since it's a lack of respect for human life at it's most innocent stage. that's a red flag.
Conservatives who come out against women who've been abused and the under privileged aren't "correcting" behavior, they're being critical and self-righteous. And Jesus didn't support that. Jesus may have been against murder, but please quote me the verse where Jesus says murder is wrong. What he did say was that anyone who is angry with his brother or sister will be subject to judgement and anyone who say, "you fool" will be in danger of hell fire. Are you referring to liberals as the equivalent of fools? He also said he who draws the sword will die by the sword, which, it seems to me, has relevance to the gun-toting Christians who advocate standing one's ground by drawing a gun. I doubt Jesus would've been a gun rights advocate.
Jesus was a law breaker of the laws of the day. The "conservatives" of the day had lots of arbitrary laws, lots of prejudices, lots of pedantic rules that Jesus knew made no difference to the good inside one's soul. So he flaunted them, and got himself crucified for his efforts. He was the liberal of the day.
As far as abortion goes, I'm not particularly in favor of it, being a default naturalist, I see the unborn as an important part of the gene pool, an addition to the variety that is the strength of evolution. I am truly surprised that the conservatives have become the champions against abortion while the liberals champion abortion...it seems it should be the other way around. Liberals actually care about the downtrodden and unprotected, that's their thing, while conservatives care not a wit about the underdog. The truth of conservatives actual point of view comes out in what they do about the fetus after it is born. THEN, as a baby, they don't want to provide services, support, they don't want healthcare for all, they want companies to be able to make lots of money off the basic need and right of having healthcare. As far as educating the children, that has become a liberal thing. Just look at how conservatives complain that the education system is run by liberals. Well why is that? It's because conservatives don't have the time or inclination to become educators, that's too....lowly, too menial. They want to become businessmen, real estate tycoons, make billions off the poor like...well, I won't say his name, but his initials are Donald Trump.
But back to Jesus and abortion. There's no particular reason to think Jesus would've been against abortion that I can see. Certainly, as I pointed out and you can't rebut, the God of the OT had no problem killing children, innocent children by the droves. He drowned them, killed them to flaunt his power over unruly rulers and even had no problem setting up a situation where Herod had the first born killed all to find this baby Jesus. God could've just produced the baby Jesus to Herod...you know, to stop the killings of the innocent and then just protected Jesus FROM Herod. See? The God of the Bible had no problem using kids and even the unborn as pawns in his grand scheme.
Heck, the God of the Bible even ORDERED abortion as a test of a woman to see if she had been unfaithful. Read it in Numbers 5:11...
So, while I understand the sentiment that abhors abortion and actually share that feeling. I would want to protect the fetus, one can't use Bible God to say it's wrong. God of the Bible himself USED, advocated and instructed abortion as part of his rituals and holy ceremonies.
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; basically if one reject God, He simply confirms their choice and hell is the alternative. because since all good comes from God, and they are removed from God by rejecting him, nothing good can remain whatsoever. so nothing but suffering/hate beyond comprehension remain in hell since they rejected THE good, which is God by living a life of sin etc.