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Post by Aj_June on Jan 1, 2019 14:12:49 GMT
The best thing about him is that he is constantly double teamed that gets the average players of Houston open looks and makes life easy for them. Nah, best thing about him is he can shoot .442 and still turn anything into a foul, while often moving into the defender and taking steps. Leader in free throw attempts in 6 of the last 7 years. 1.97 shots/FTA this year. He just got a foul call while getting out of bed.
This one is easy - here is a list of the top 26 PPG seasons by 2pt%: 1972 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 57.4% 1989 Michael Jordan 55.4% 2014 Kevin Durant 54.9% 1990 Michael Jordan 54.8% 1988 Michael Jordan 54.6% 1980 George Gervin 54.0% 1966 Wilt Chamberlain 53.9% 1985 Bernard King 53.3% 1963 Wilt Chamberlain 52.8% 1964 Wilt Chamberlain 52.4% 1993 Michael Jordan 51.4% 2019 James Harden 51.3%1975 Bob McAdoo 51.2% 1965 Wilt Chamberlain 51.0% 1961 Wilt Chamberlain 50.9% 1962 Wilt Chamberlain 50.5% 1982 George Gervin 50.4% 1987 Michael Jordan 49.1% 1973 Tiny Archibald 48.8% 2006 Kobe Bryant 48.3% 2003 Tracy McGrady 48.0% 2006 Allen Iverson 46.5% 1960 Wilt Chamberlain 46.1% 1963 Elgin Baylor 45.3% 1967 Rick Barry 45.1% 1961 Elgin Baylor 43.0% FALSE - Harden ranks 12th on the list ahead of every other backcourt player except for Jordan. Harden destroys Kobe, McGrady, Iverson and Rick Barry. Harden's overall FG% is always lower than other top scorers because he takes (and makes) about 2X as many 3 pointers as anyone else on the list. That makes it seem like he's a less accurate shooter than someone like Kobe when the reality is, Harden shoots 2s at a rate similar to Wilt Chamberlain(!!!). Harden's career 2 pt accuracy is over >.500This seems like a dumb mistake for a professional sports analyst to make, but it happens all the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 14:22:04 GMT
Tracy McGrady was on that list?
WTF?
Not hating - I loved McGrady - just never knew he had stats like that
Nice to see guys like McAdoo, Ice Man, and especially Bernard King on that list
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 1, 2019 14:32:49 GMT
Tracy McGrady was on that list? WTF? Not hating - I loved McGrady - just never knew he had stats like that Nice to see guys like McAdoo, Ice Man, and especially Bernard King on that list Tracy had 2 or 3 great years. Just that he didn't have longetivity like Kob had or Iversion had. Sadly Tracy didn't do justice to his talent. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 14:41:22 GMT
wasn't he paired with Vince Carter on the Raps for a few years?
what a high flying duo
think those may have been the raps teams that may have met Iverson's Sixers in the Finals
mcgrady had a stint with the Rockets too correct? and am I off for thinking the Magic (may have Penny Hardaway in my head but think he spent time on the Magic)
he's a broadcaster/commentator for an NBA show on ESPN - The Jump - at times. enjoyable to listen to
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 1, 2019 15:16:40 GMT
Less than half (45%) of Harden's attempts are 2-pointers, so I'm not sure why that percentage matters. He only takes them away from the hoop if he's wide open or can guarantee a foul call. He's averaging 10.06 points a game on 2s.
27 free throws in his last game.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 1, 2019 17:22:27 GMT
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 4, 2019 13:06:35 GMT
Less than half (45%) of Harden's attempts are 2-pointers, so I'm not sure why that percentage matters. He only takes them away from the hoop if he's wide open or can guarantee a foul call. He's averaging 10.06 points a game on 2s. And if that is the case then why did you bring Harden's FG% and not his 3 point %. To help you with simple maths: A guy takes 5 2s with 0.500 accuracy will get 5 points on 5 FG attempts A guy who takes 5 3s with 0.350 accuracy will get 5.25 points from the same 5 FG attempts. Harden's career 3 point % is .366 and that is equal to 55% 2% accuracy. Moreover, Harden's playing style allows his team mates more space. His points are self created (87% unassisted 3s). |
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 4, 2019 13:12:32 GMT
wasn't he paired with Vince Carter on the Raps for a few years? what a high flying duo think those may have been the raps teams that may have met Iverson's Sixers in the Finals mcgrady had a stint with the Rockets too correct? and am I off for thinking the Magic (may have Penny Hardaway in my head but think he spent time on the Magic) he's a broadcaster/commentator for an NBA show on ESPN - The Jump - at times. enjoyable to listen to Carter and McGrady had two season together but McGrady came on the scene the season following the season he left. Had he stayed one more season at magic, that team might have had some chances! |
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 4, 2019 13:19:29 GMT
Less than half (45%) of Harden's attempts are 2-pointers, so I'm not sure why that percentage matters. He only takes them away from the hoop if he's wide open or can guarantee a foul call. He's averaging 10.06 points a game on 2s. And if that is the case then why did you bring Harden's FG% and not his 3 point %. To help you with simple maths: A guy takes 5 2s with 0.500 accuracy will get 5 points on 5 FG attempts A guy who takes 5 3s with 0.350 accuracy will get 5.25 points from the same 5 FG attempts. Harden's career 3 point % is .366 and that is equal to 55% 2% accuracy. Moreover, Harden's playing style allows his team mates more space. His points are self created (87% unassisted 3s). Don't give me that simple math crap. Comparing points on made 3s is only part of the comparison. You can't tell me cranking up only 3s at a .334 rate is better than putting up only 2s at a 50% rate, based on expected value of points, without looking at the impact of those additional misses (66.6% vs 50%). The first guy has virtually no chance at the rebound, essentially leaving his team 4 on 5. Often he needs a screener far from the basket who reduces the rebound chance further unless he races in. Follow-up shot? Only if a teammate gets it out to him. Sure, you might have that long bounce out, but guys don't have rim bounces that go over the backboard from 2. Airballs may be rare, but they're almost exclusively missed 3s. |
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 4, 2019 13:32:29 GMT
And if that is the case then why did you bring Harden's FG% and not his 3 point %. To help you with simple maths: A guy takes 5 2s with 0.500 accuracy will get 5 points on 5 FG attempts A guy who takes 5 3s with 0.350 accuracy will get 5.25 points from the same 5 FG attempts. Harden's career 3 point % is .366 and that is equal to 55% 2% accuracy. Moreover, Harden's playing style allows his team mates more space. His points are self created (87% unassisted 3s). Don't give me that simple math crap. Comparing points on made 3s is only part of the comparison. You can't tell me cranking up only 3s at a .334 rate is better than putting up only 2s at a 50% rate, based on expected value of points, without looking at the impact of those additional misses (66.6% vs 50%). The first guy has virtually no chance at the rebound, essentially leaving his team 4 on 5. Often he needs a screener far from the basket who reduces the rebound chance further unless he races in. Follow-up shot? Only if a teammate gets it out to him. Sure, you might have that long bounce out, but guys don't have rim bounces that go over the backboard from 2. Airballs may be rare, but they're almost exclusively missed 3s. And I gave you the context of those 3s. A person taking 3s at .366 over career would be considered good in itself but one making over 4 3s a game would be better than one making 1 3 at the same rate. You have already been told how Harden's playing style and dominance makes his team better. You bring in players like House or relegated players like Rivers and even they do better. All lies in James Harden. Also, Harden's forced to take shots on worst possessions. His efficiency is gonna take a hit because of that. In teams like GSW, you can give the ball to KD or Curry and occasionally to Klay. In Houston team mates just throw the ball in most difficult posessions to Harden even if he is double teamed. Yeah, you guys have that rings narrative. But Harden's best days are not over and even LeBron had switch teams to get those rings. Earlier you were going on about usage rate. Well, generally as usage rate increase beyond a certain point the efficiency decreases. In Harden's case it doesn't. Since 2014 his usage rate & efficiency are directly related. Meaning increasing his usage rate has increased his efficiency. Moreover, in teams like the one he is playing he isn't having a lot of choice either. |
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 8, 2019 8:40:43 GMT
Less than half (45%) of Harden's attempts are 2-pointers, so I'm not sure why that percentage matters. He only takes them away from the hoop if he's wide open or can guarantee a foul call. He's averaging 10.06 points a game on 2s. His points are self created (87% unassisted 3s). Today was a perfect example of what I said in the post I quoted. Michael Malone came up with this idea of putting 2 guys on Harden from the very first second of the game. That did work to some extent as Harden could score just inefficient 32. But what happened to the rest of the players because there were 2 guys on Harden?
Clint Capela had career high game (31 points!).
PJ Tucker had career high 7 3s.
Green managed to find his touch and got 6 3s of his own.
I have not seen a guy so frequently doubled as Harden is and yet that adds value to the team. Even if hurts Harden's numbers.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 14, 2019 21:35:21 GMT
What are they up to this week?
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 14, 2019 22:28:57 GMT
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 15, 2019 0:48:34 GMT
3 of the 4 best players of the Rockets injured now. Surely we are going to hit a massive losing streak. It's like Harden with G-League players playing now.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 15, 2019 3:20:44 GMT
57 tonight. 2 assists. Doing it on his own now.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Jan 15, 2019 16:32:31 GMT
Jesus, seriously!? DO we have anyone left? Soon it's gonna be James Harden V 5. Capela out Gordon out Paul out SO basically it's Tucker and Harden and second guys.] SO it looks like Rivers Harden House Jr *Who* Tucker Nene Jesus.... |
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 15, 2019 16:43:05 GMT
Jesus, seriously!? DO we have anyone left? Soon it's gonna be James Harden V 5. It's already Harden vs 5, Shady. Look at this funny clip. All 5 players have attention on harden and not a single of the 4 other players of Houston is being covered by the Griz players. It's unbelievable. But I think Harden can't keep up like this man. WE will go on losing streak unless CP3 returns soon which it seems he won't. Must watch vid (2 mins 9 seconds mark is the most interesting). |
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 15, 2019 16:52:02 GMT
Maybe they need to get someone for a 10-day contract. Melo, anyone?  |
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 15, 2019 16:55:03 GMT
57 tonight. 2 assists. Doing it on his own now. He is averaging 8.6 dimes for the season. Don't think he will get something as low as 2 on a regular basis but it could get 7 assists per game for the season in absence of Capela. Harden had a good chemistry with Capela and now Houston is effectively without Centre. Nene plays a few minutes and even then he shoots mid range instead of dunking. But even if he didn't assist most of the points Rockets were getting was mainly because the other team was totally focused on harden. But it has to end soon. We are 13-4 in last 17 and which in itself is unbelievable. We need CP3 back within 10 days or it could get problematic. But bringing him early could also be problematic. All problems are exaggerated by the fact that this is the most tight season for years. Hell, 14 of 15 teams in the Western Conference are all contenders for playoffs. No way. He is disgusting and selfish. If we could trade Brandon Knight + Marquese Chriss (Biggest scrub ever)+ 1st round pick(s) for some good PF/SF. |
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 17, 2019 3:42:04 GMT
And now 58 in a 145-142 OT loss to the Nets.
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