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Post by hi224 on Oct 11, 2018 21:54:20 GMT
Absolutely enjoyed the movie however it has a vast amount of flaws as well. The conflicts felt forced and a tad contrived as well to me at least perhaps. I thought the direction was a bit tepid and flat as well to be honest, nothing was framed very interestingly. The characterizations were a tad aloof and very inconsistent as well. Ally at the start seems more no nonsense no bullshit, then adversely is able to put up with Normans BS throughout the movie. Norman seems to have disdain as well as illustrated when he can't stand how ally has compromised her whole image. Yet seems perfectly cool with doing as such himself as well. Is he alright with selling out as long as Ally doesn't be like him? or actually is he expressing a self loathing perhaps of himself as well? also the dynamics between him and his brother could've been explored better. the movie actually seemed to struggle to convey the message of artistic integrity versus compromising for the sake of a happy life. I loved the songs, the performances, and certain themes as well.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 11, 2018 22:53:09 GMT
Predictions about nominations by chance?
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Post by Nora on Oct 12, 2018 0:13:02 GMT
Predictions about nominations by chance? music, song, her acting. only the song will get it though.
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Post by Nora on Oct 12, 2018 0:13:36 GMT
Absolutely enjoyed the movie however it has a vast amount of flaws as well. The conflicts felt forced and a tad contrived as well to me at least perhaps. I thought the direction was a bit tepid and flat as well to be honest, nothing was framed very interestingly. The characterizations were a tad aloof and very inconsistent as well. Ally at the start seems more no nonsense no bullshit, then adversely is able to put up with Normans BS throughout the movie. Norman seems to have disdain as well as illustrated when he can't stand how ally has compromised her whole image. Yet seems perfectly cool with doing as such himself as well. Is he alright with selling out as long as Ally doesn't be like him? or actually is he expressing a self loathing perhaps of himself as well? also the dynamics between him and his brother could've been explored better. the movie actually seemed to struggle to convey the message of artistic integrity versus compromising for the sake of a happy life. I loved the songs, the performances, and certain themes as well. i agree the relationship with the brother could have been explored better. the rest of what you describe as flaws didnt bother me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 0:26:59 GMT
Well Like The Greatest Showman the movie has what every studio wishes for: Great word of mouth! Expect it to outgross Venom this weekend, which will be an incredible feat. The music is obviously a driving factor, just check out the itunes chart: www.doipod.com/itunes-charts/itunes-top-100-songs-usa/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 0:32:42 GMT
Following an October record opening, Venom is considered the industry favorite to repeat in first place this weekend, but the usual front-loading of comic book pics will be doubled up by the fact that the film loses many IMAX and PLF screens to one of the weekend’s new releases. That could result in a close race for the top two spots as A Star Is Born continues to display excellent holding power in its early days and a sophomore frame north of $25 million looks increasingly possible based on our current models. pro.boxoffice.com/weekend-forecast-first-man-goosebumps-haunted-halloween-bad-times-el-royale/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 16:08:19 GMT
Ha ha ha! Madonna must be so jealous. EVITA was never that big a hit although she did get a golden globe and no Oscar nomination!
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Post by moviemanjackson on Oct 20, 2018 21:20:42 GMT
Editing was hit or miss but overall I enjoyed this a lot.
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Post by hi224 on Oct 21, 2018 4:37:17 GMT
Predictions about nominations by chance? Actor Picture Director Editing 3 song noms Actress Supporting Actor cinematography
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Post by hi224 on Oct 21, 2018 4:37:48 GMT
Predictions about nominations by chance? music, song, her acting. only the song will get it though. Cooper is a frontrunner right now.
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Post by mactwist2 on Oct 21, 2018 13:34:12 GMT
I would say i disagree with most of what you said. It felt genuine to me. I've known multiple guys like cooper (not rockstars) but alcoholics and drug addicts. Most aren't bad dudes and they've tried to change for people but are in too deep. I've known many girls who put up with their bs would their personality would say they wouldn't. It's not that uncommon. If you love someone you give them chance after chance. I'd have liked to explore the brother relationship more but it was alrdy a bit long so i get why they didn't and am satisfied with what we did get.
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Post by hi224 on Oct 22, 2018 2:17:51 GMT
I would say i disagree with most of what you said. It felt genuine to me. I've known multiple guys like cooper (not rockstars) but alcoholics and drug addicts. Most aren't bad dudes and they've tried to change for people but are in too deep. I've known many girls who put up with their bs would their personality would say they wouldn't. It's not that uncommon. If you love someone you give them chance after chance. I'd have liked to explore the brother relationship more but it was alrdy a bit long so i get why they didn't and am satisfied with what we did get. yeah but Ally's character felt like someone rewrote her midway through the screenplay, the women who tells her boyfriend off on the phone and punches a guy at a bar feels removed from the more rational girl in the second half of the movie. Thats at least How I simply felt, but I see what your saying as well.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 19, 2019 7:55:51 GMT
I viewed A Star Is Born twice, the second time in the IMAX in December. I considered it "pretty good" the first time (meaning above-average) and "pretty good/good" the second time, meaning that I liked it slightly better. The film is atmospheric, the singing and musical aspects are excellent, and Cooper's performance (both his acting and his singing) stand out. Moreover, his direction is solid and shows a nice feel for human interaction (both tragic and comic) and the visceral nature of a musician's existence, although he does not offer much in the way of visual composition.
The movie's main flaw is that it cannot transcend its "old Hollywood" structure and sensibilities. (I viewed the original, from 1954 with Judy Garland and James Mason in the leading roles, in the theater in April 2016; I have not seen the 1976 version.) Thus the film's climactic development, which should create an emotional wallop, fails to make enough of an impact due to excessive sentimentality and foreshadowing. And while the film presents compelling concerns about selling out one's artistic integrity for the sake of fame and popular marketability, it fails to fully develop them or take them to their potentially devastating conclusion. Instead, the movie presents the theme, cultivates the conflict for awhile, and then sort of lets it drop, as if the exploration is too dicey.
The best scenes come early, as the Cooper and Gaga characters feel each other out, and I actually liked the editing.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 19, 2019 7:57:24 GMT
Absolutely enjoyed the movie however it has a vast amount of flaws as well. The conflicts felt forced and a tad contrived as well to me at least perhaps. I thought the direction was a bit tepid and flat as well to be honest, nothing was framed very interestingly. The characterizations were a tad aloof and very inconsistent as well. Ally at the start seems more no nonsense no bullshit, then adversely is able to put up with Normans BS throughout the movie. Norman seems to have disdain as well as illustrated when he can't stand how ally has compromised her whole image. Yet seems perfectly cool with doing as such himself as well. Is he alright with selling out as long as Ally doesn't be like him? or actually is he expressing a self loathing perhaps of himself as well? also the dynamics between him and his brother could've been explored better. the movie actually seemed to struggle to convey the message of artistic integrity versus compromising for the sake of a happy life. I loved the songs, the performances, and certain themes as well. How did you feel that Jack (this movie's version of Norman) sold out?
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 19, 2019 7:58:49 GMT
i agree the relationship with the brother could have been explored better. the rest of what you describe as flaws didnt bother me. I didn't quite buy into the brother relationship aspect either. Elliot mumbled his way through his role, as though he was channeling Kris Kristofferson from the earlier version and I found his character distracting and unnecessary, due to the lack of exploration. That aspect might have been a tad archetypal, as suggested by the casting of Elliott. As I noted earlier, A Star Is Born cannot transcend its "old Hollywood" roots.
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Post by hi224 on Jan 19, 2019 16:31:57 GMT
Absolutely enjoyed the movie however it has a vast amount of flaws as well. The conflicts felt forced and a tad contrived as well to me at least perhaps. I thought the direction was a bit tepid and flat as well to be honest, nothing was framed very interestingly. The characterizations were a tad aloof and very inconsistent as well. Ally at the start seems more no nonsense no bullshit, then adversely is able to put up with Normans BS throughout the movie. Norman seems to have disdain as well as illustrated when he can't stand how ally has compromised her whole image. Yet seems perfectly cool with doing as such himself as well. Is he alright with selling out as long as Ally doesn't be like him? or actually is he expressing a self loathing perhaps of himself as well? also the dynamics between him and his brother could've been explored better. the movie actually seemed to struggle to convey the message of artistic integrity versus compromising for the sake of a happy life. I loved the songs, the performances, and certain themes as well. How did you feel that Jack (this movie's version of Norman) sold out? I believed that was pretty clear that he had issues with his celebrity hence the whole excess drinking and apathy he exuded regarding his fame status.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 21, 2019 8:50:39 GMT
How did you feel that Jack (this movie's version of Norman) sold out? I believed that was pretty clear that he had issues with his celebrity hence the whole excess drinking and apathy he exuded regarding his fame status. ... true, but I am not certain that that discomfort indicates that he ever sold out, so much as he proved "successful." He wants Ally to be successful, but on her terms with her songs. Indeed, A Star Is Born seems to suggest that Jack succeeded on his terms with his songs, as opposed to becoming a matinee idol pop star.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 21, 2019 8:58:08 GMT
That aspect might have been a tad archetypal, as suggested by the casting of Elliott. As I noted earlier, A Star Is Born cannot transcend its "old Hollywood" roots. It was a role that was superfluous, to what some of the audience would have been aware of about the story. I can't comment on the first 2 versions, as I haven't seen them, but in the 76' version, none of this family stuff cropped up if I recall for Kristofferson's character. Elliot is also around 30yrs Cooper's senior. It was casting for sensational effect only. ... I concur. I do not recall such a role in the 1954 version, but it is the kind of character and relationship that smacks of "old Hollywood" melodrama—the slightly mysterious older brother whose presence haunts the protagonist. In a sense, it is something out of an old Western, thus making the casting of Elliott all the more predictable (if ironically appropriate). That said, I believe that the film's greater flaw is the excessive sentimentalizing and foreshadowing regarding the climactic development.
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Post by hi224 on Jan 21, 2019 18:22:31 GMT
It actually felt more like Cooper did his own rendition of Tender Mercies or Crazy Heart rather then A Star is Born.
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Post by darkpast on Mar 3, 2019 4:39:57 GMT
finally saw this, it was well done, one of the better studio films of 2018
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