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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 20, 2018 17:58:36 GMT
Aquaman (b-list comic book character, doesn't feature a well known bankable star, DC keeps dropping the ball on their films)
Vice (the actual biopic about Dubya bombed and that was when he was actually relevant, I can't see the one about the VP doing better)
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Post by vegalyra on Oct 20, 2018 18:03:31 GMT
Yeah, a movie about a VP will bomb. I guess it could have been interesting if it was about a VP like Thomas Jefferson. He served under John Adams in the opposite party. That would be an interesting film. A movie about Cheney just shows that Hollywood has a big grudge against Bush still even though not too many people really care anymore.
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Post by ck100 on Oct 20, 2018 18:07:15 GMT
Second Act will come and go for J.Lo.
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Post by alpha128 on Oct 20, 2018 18:14:03 GMT
I don't believe that Episode IX will lose money, but I do firmly believe it will underperform compared to previous Star Wars episodes. I wouldn't be surprised if it failed to top $1 billion worldwide.
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Post by ck100 on Oct 20, 2018 18:15:40 GMT
I don't believe that Episode IX will lose money, but I do firmly believe it will underperform compared to previous Star Wars episodes. I wouldn't be surprised if it failed to top $1 billion worldwide. What if it gets a good marketing campaign and reviews? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 20, 2018 18:25:09 GMT
I don't believe that Episode IX will lose money, but I do firmly believe it will underperform compared to previous Star Wars episodes. I wouldn't be surprised if it failed to top $1 billion worldwide. You will always be able to justify this by adjusting for inflation, but at the end of the day it's still going to be a billion dollar blockbuster and that is the thing that matters to the studio. Viewers shouldn't even waste time caring about that as it's a nothingburger to enjoyment. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 18:41:09 GMT
Based on the trailer Aquaman has some of the worst CGI I have seen in a big budget movie. Not ONE underwater scene looks real. Yeah hope this bomb big time. Bubblebee and Mart Poppins gonna kick his ass!!!!!!!
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 20, 2018 18:44:24 GMT
I don't believe that Episode IX will lose money, but I do firmly believe it will underperform compared to previous Star Wars episodes. I wouldn't be surprised if it failed to top $1 billion worldwide. You will always be able to justify this by adjusting for inflation, but at the end of the day it's still going to be a billion dollar blockbuster and that is the thing that matters to the studio. Viewers shouldn't even waste time caring about that as it's a nothingburger to enjoyment. "but at the end of the day it's still going to be a billion dollar blockbuster and that is the thing that matters to the studio."
It will probably make money, but if it performs below expectations that will be a serious red flag to the studio. A lot of time and resources goes into just predicting box office expectations (focus groups, business meetings, data gathering, etc), so I'm sure they very much care it meets expectations. A lot of people forget "Batman and Robin" actually made money, but it fell so well below expectations that Hollywood wouldn't touch Batman for about 8 years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 18:44:35 GMT
I don't believe that Episode IX will lose money, but I do firmly believe it will underperform compared to previous Star Wars episodes. I wouldn't be surprised if it failed to top $1 billion worldwide. Yeah 5 Star wars movies in 4 years is really overkill. |
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Post by alpha128 on Oct 20, 2018 18:46:11 GMT
I don't believe that Episode IX will lose money, but I do firmly believe it will underperform compared to previous Star Wars episodes. I wouldn't be surprised if it failed to top $1 billion worldwide. What if it gets a good marketing campaign and reviews? Every Disney Star Wars film, whether an "Episode" or "A Star Wars Story", has demonstrated diminishing returns. "The Force Awakens" grossed $2.07 billion worldwide. "The Last Jedi", arguably had a good marketing campaign and good reviews, but still grossed only $1.33 billion, or $740 million less than TFA. Likewise "Rouge One" grossed $1.06 billion worldwide. But "Solo" grossed only $393 million, or $667 million less than RO. After "The Last Jedi" China couldn't care less about "Star Wars", and the same can be said by many domestic fans. As I said before, I wouldn't be surprised if Episode IX failed to top $1 billion worldwide. |
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Post by alpha128 on Oct 20, 2018 18:51:26 GMT
I don't believe that Episode IX will lose money, but I do firmly believe it will underperform compared to previous Star Wars episodes. I wouldn't be surprised if it failed to top $1 billion worldwide. You will always be able to justify this by adjusting for inflation, but at the end of the day it's still going to be a billion dollar blockbuster and that is the thing that matters to the studio. Viewers shouldn't even waste time caring about that as it's a nothingburger to enjoyment. Even if it ticket price inflation does boost Episode IX's gross above $1 billion, it still has to be a disappointment to Disney if each new episode grosses less than its predecessor, something which is likely to happen with Episode IX. |
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Post by bravomailer on Oct 20, 2018 18:55:43 GMT
The movie about Mohammed bin Salman bringing democracy to his country won't do well.
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Post by alpha128 on Oct 20, 2018 18:58:20 GMT
I don't believe that Episode IX will lose money, but I do firmly believe it will underperform compared to previous Star Wars episodes. I wouldn't be surprised if it failed to top $1 billion worldwide. Yeah 5 Star wars movies in 4 years is really overkill. Despite what Bob Iger said, I don't think it's the quantity of Star Wars movies, but rather the quality of them. Marvel managed to score two $1 billion+ films in 2018, and they were released 10 weeks apart. But they were both excellent movies and audiences responded favorably to both. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 20, 2018 19:01:48 GMT
Yeah 5 Star wars movies in 4 years is really overkill. Despite what Bob Iger said, I don't think it's the quantity of Star Wars movies, but rather the quality of them. Marvel managed to score two $1 billion+ films in 2018, and they were released 10 weeks apart. But they were both excellent movies and audiences responded favorably to both. Marvel has a pretty good racket going with Avengers/MCU, it's basically a money factory. DC just fall on their face when they try to do the same thing with Justice League/DCU |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 20, 2018 19:06:14 GMT
You will always be able to justify this by adjusting for inflation, but at the end of the day it's still going to be a billion dollar blockbuster and that is the thing that matters to the studio. Viewers shouldn't even waste time caring about that as it's a nothingburger to enjoyment. "but at the end of the day it's still going to be a billion dollar blockbuster and that is the thing that matters to the studio."
It will probably make money, but if it performs below expectations that will be a serious red flag to the studio. A lot of time and resources goes into just predicting box office expectations (focus groups, business meetings, data gathering, etc), so I'm sure they very much care it meets expectations. A lot of people forget "Batman and Robin" actually made money, but it fell so well below expectations that Hollywood wouldn't touch Batman for about 8 years.
The problem is the haters are the ones making up pretend expectations. TLJ did great business and was never going to surpass the pent up demand for Star Wars TFA delivered. What we will find is that, it is either going to do slightly worse or slightly better than TLJ. It has no hope of beating TFA. There will not be a major drop off. There's no way to compare Solo to the end of a trilogy and the reality is most people actually have enjoyed this sequel just fine. People are going to want to see that story concluded. Add to that the fact that both of the movies will be available on regular cable and the accompanying massive ad campaign and no competition and it's going to be a beast. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 20, 2018 19:10:08 GMT
You will always be able to justify this by adjusting for inflation, but at the end of the day it's still going to be a billion dollar blockbuster and that is the thing that matters to the studio. Viewers shouldn't even waste time caring about that as it's a nothingburger to enjoyment. Even if it ticket price inflation does boost Episode IX's gross above $1 billion, it still has to be a disappointment to Disney if each new episode grosses less than its predecessor, something which is likely to happen with Episode IX. I'm not saying anything about ticket price inflation as much as I'm saying ewhoners use inflation on the original trilogy to claim the new movies are stinkers. Prices are not going to rise that much to make a big difference otherwise. Disney will not be disappointed as long as they make their money. The trilogy is ending and you have nothing which to base your presumptions on anyway. |
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Post by alpha128 on Oct 20, 2018 19:17:22 GMT
The trilogy is ending and you have nothing which to base your presumptions on anyway. As I noted before, box office history shows diminishing returns for every Disney Star Wars sequel/spin-off film. "The Force Awakens" grossed $2.07 billion worldwide. "The Last Jedi" grossed only $1.33 billion, or $740 million less than TFA. "Rouge One" grossed $1.06 billion worldwide. "Solo" grossed only $393 million, or $667 million less than RO. There is no reason to believe that current trends won't continue and Episode IX will gross more than Episode VIII. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 20, 2018 19:29:33 GMT
The trilogy is ending and you have nothing which to base your presumptions on anyway. As I noted before, box office history shows diminishing returns for every Disney Star Wars sequel/spin-off film. "The Force Awakens" grossed $2.07 billion worldwide. "The Last Jedi" grossed only $1.33 billion, or $740 million less than TFA. "Rouge One" grossed $1.06 billion worldwide. "Solo" grossed only $393 million, or $667 million less than RO. There is no reason to believe that current trends won't continue and Episode IX will gross more than Episode VIII. This simply means that Disney could be anticipating the drop-off and being OK with it. Your analysis would routinely show drop-off for many sequels. It's ridiculous to put an "only" in front of TLJ's box office gross. As I already said, it is silly to pconflate a trilogy with stand alone stories and especially one as plagued as Solo. I would be shocked if your analysis is not base primarily on your dislike of the films (To be clear I have no idea or actual care if you do, it's just that you sound like one of them.). No one looking at this rationally could even pretend that TLJ was a financial disappointment. |
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Post by alpha128 on Oct 20, 2018 20:10:46 GMT
It's ridiculous to put an "only" in front of TLJ's box office gross. No one looking at this rationally could even pretend that TLJ was a financial disappointment. Then consider this quote from Forbes.com on Nov 14, 2017: And yet, the actuals for "The Last Jedi" were:
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $620,181,382 46.5%
+ Foreign: $712,358,507 53.5%
= Worldwide: $1,332,539,889
So "The Last Jedi" fell short of the worst case scenario by over $100 million dollars. |
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