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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Oct 26, 2018 20:14:03 GMT
when you look at these pictures do you see the resemblance ? for as much talk as there is about arya being more like her aunt Lyanna it is sansa who is more like her , maybe in personality arya is more like her aunt but not in looks ,maybe in the books, but on the show they have made a point to show lyanna as a romantic young lady marrying her prince following her heart -that is very unlike arya and more like sansa they also made a point to show lyanna/sansa wearing same hairstyles , season 6 when bran had a vision of a young lyanna at winterfell she had similar hairstyle as sansa did season 1 , season 7 when lyanna marrys rhaegar targrayen she is wearing the same exactly braided rose hairstyle sansa had on all season long of all the hairstyles they can do they made a point to show that over and over.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 26, 2018 21:02:06 GMT
Sansa looked like a Tully, Lyanna looked like a Stark.
Both of them were considered beautiful though although Lyanna was more of a tomboy and overall a much more horrible individual.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Oct 26, 2018 21:55:32 GMT
Its not uncommon for a niece too look like her aunt. They do share 25% of the same genes.
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Post by Nightman on Oct 26, 2018 22:00:57 GMT
Lyanna had all the worst aspects of Sansa and Arya, and was far worse than either. She and Rhaegar deserve to burn in the flames of all seven hells for the terrors their actions inflicted on their families, Elia, and the rest of the kingdoms.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Oct 26, 2018 22:16:57 GMT
Lyanna was more of a tomboy and overall a much more horrible individual. And here goes another turd blaming people for other people's reaction to them. Yes, I'm calling you a turd. Get flushed.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Oct 26, 2018 22:24:15 GMT
There is a scene in S1 in which the Septa remarks that Sansa is now wearing her hair the southern way. Having young Lyanna and early Sansa wear a common "northern" hairstyle is consistent with this.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 26, 2018 22:51:03 GMT
Lyanna was more of a tomboy and overall a much more horrible individual. And here goes another turd blaming people for other people's reaction to them.Yes, I'm calling you a turd. Get flushed. You better be glad I have no idea what you're talking about. In any event, if I'm a turd, it's one of a constipated Northerner so we don't flush easy.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Oct 28, 2018 20:22:46 GMT
Lyanna had all the worst aspects of Sansa and Arya, and was far worse than either. She and Rhaegar deserve to burn in the flames of all seven hells for the terrors their actions inflicted on their families, Elia, and the rest of the kingdoms. If they ever do a prequel they better do the lyanna and rhaegar story because i cant see how someone who was supposed to be a tomboy like arya get involved with a targaryen and a married one just doesnt seem something noble starks would do.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Oct 28, 2018 20:26:34 GMT
Its not uncommon for a niece too look like her aunt. They do share 25% of the same genes. i know its not uncommon to share genes with relatives but on the show they never once mentioned unless i missed it of arya being like her aunt ,personality or in looks, they could have easily made a young lyanna look more like arya did but they didnt and i think thats because i think they are trying to link lyanna with sansa in some way that goes deeper than hairstyles.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Oct 28, 2018 20:28:36 GMT
There is a scene in S1 in which the Septa remarks that Sansa is now wearing her hair the southern way. Having young Lyanna and early Sansa wear a common "northern" hairstyle is consistent with this. even arya mentioned it in S7 how she remembers seeing sansa at their fathers execution and the way she styled her hair- dont remind me because i think arya was acting all jealous towards sansa and i also got waif flashbacks.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Oct 28, 2018 20:30:22 GMT
Sansa looked like a Tully, Lyanna looked like a Stark. Both of them were considered beautiful though although Lyanna was more of a tomboy and overall a much more horrible individual. ill reserve judgment on lyanna until they explain her actions better but no i did not like what she did like i was mentioning above for someone who comes from a noble family she was single and she decided to hook up with married guy , for someone who did that ned was still a good brother and protected his sister and her son.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Oct 29, 2018 9:15:47 GMT
Lyanna had all the worst aspects of Sansa and Arya, and was far worse than either. She and Rhaegar deserve to burn in the flames of all seven hells for the terrors their actions inflicted on their families, Elia, and the rest of the kingdoms. If they ever do a prequel they better do the lyanna and rhaegar story because i cant see how someone who was supposed to be a tomboy like arya get involved with a targaryen and a married one just doesnt seem something noble starks would do. The idea of "noble Starks" is just a fantasy. There was one "noble Ned Stark" who died for it and imprinted to some extent on two of his sons and one of his daughters, as fathers often do, either straight (Tywin on Cersei) or inverted (on Tyrion). What remains is a tomboy, which rather goes in the way of not following expectations and as such fits with having an adventure with a married man. Rhaegar could be blamed to some extent for having an extra-marital adventure, but not very far because it is something about half of mankind indulges in anyway. Going further and taking Lyanna as his official wife, setting a previous one aside, is something kings have done regularly throughout the ages, although I don't recall it ever being done when already having a male heir. Henry VIII didn't do it. This is something of a first, which GRRM justifies by the fantasy/prophecy nonsense. Still, none of this was more than a political offence to the Dornish and a disappointment to foolish Robert Baratheon. What really started things was the tyrannical behaviour of the Mad King. He is the one to blame, not Lyanna, not Rhaegar, not even Brandon Dumbasastark who went proffering threats right down to King's Landing. So did Lyanna want to be queen, as S1 Sansa, instead of playing with sticks like Arya? Maybe, or maybe she was just an adventurous girl.
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 29, 2018 13:40:08 GMT
I have no idea what the hell people are talking in this thread. We don't even know Lyanna well enough.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 29, 2018 19:00:05 GMT
I have no idea what the hell people are talking in this thread. We don't even know Lyanna well enough. We know her plenty as a peripheral character, but the great thing about her character is even when we knew nothing about her we formed opinions about her just as we formed them about the main characters.
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 29, 2018 19:04:33 GMT
I have no idea what the hell people are talking in this thread. We don't even know Lyanna well enough. We know her plenty as a peripheral character, but the great thing about her character is even when we knew nothing about her we formed opinions about her just as we formed them about the main characters. I am not sure about you but I have yet to know more about her motives and some more background before I conclude that she is a horrible person.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 29, 2018 20:48:45 GMT
We know her plenty as a peripheral character, but the great thing about her character is even when we knew nothing about her we formed opinions about her just as we formed them about the main characters. I am not sure about you but I have yet to know more about her motives and some more background before I conclude that she is a horrible person. The motives matter little in relation to the results unless something far more extraordinary happens which, to be clear, I want. So far based on the plot I’m the TV show we have 1. She is kidnapped or runs away 2. She is raped or she is in love 3. She is ignorant of everyone around her or she knows her family will try to rescue here. I’m going with the notion she fell in love with Rhaegar, ran away with him, and got married by a kooky maester. Granted she could have been forced and coerced the whole time but I’m basing this all on what we’ve seen so far. I hope I’m wrong since that version is godawful.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Oct 30, 2018 11:36:12 GMT
We know her plenty as a peripheral character, but the great thing about her character is even when we knew nothing about her we formed opinions about her just as we formed them about the main characters. I am not sure about you but I have yet to know more about her motives and some more background before I conclude that she is a horrible person. I agree I would like to know more about her too before making any judgements on her but just from the recap of her story I just don't like what she did , a single girl getting involved with a married man with children especially at those times and a lot of stuff said about her in the books doesn't fit With what she did there are a lot to the story we don't know , we don't know much about Rhaegar Targaryen either only that he liked music and was a gentle person didnt want to hurt people I just don't get how a kind person like that could turn away from his wife and children maybe ellaria was not a nice person maybe there was a reason , there is a lot we don't know , I started this thread only because of the resemblance Sansa and her aunt have I think they are doing this for a reason on the show .i just hope for sansas sake she has a better ending than her aunt but Sansa more than once has been linked to her aunt she's the only in the crypts lighting her candle talking about her not arya as much as hinted in the books she was more like her.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Oct 30, 2018 12:54:16 GMT
I am not sure about you but I have yet to know more about her motives and some more background before I conclude that she is a horrible person. The motives matter little in relation to the results According to this complete moron, Stalin's mother must have been a terrible person.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Oct 30, 2018 13:11:16 GMT
I am not sure about you but I have yet to know more about her motives and some more background before I conclude that she is a horrible person. I agree I would like to know more about her too before making any judgements on her but just from the recap of her story I just don't like what she did , a single girl getting involved with a married man with children especially at those times and a lot of stuff said about her in the books doesn't fit With what she did there are a lot to the story we don't know , we don't know much about Rhaegar Targaryen either only that he liked music and was a gentle person didnt want to hurt people I just don't get how a kind person like that could turn away from his wife and children maybe ellaria was not a nice person maybe there was a reason , there is a lot we don't know , I started this thread only because of the resemblance Sansa and her aunt have I think they are doing this for a reason on the show .i just hope for sansas sake she has a better ending than her aunt but Sansa more than once has been linked to her aunt she's the only in the crypts lighting her candle talking about her not arya as much as hinted in the books she was more like her. The story is consciously told in a partial, biased way. We first hear that Rhaegar was a bad guy, we are told by the Starks that he abducted and raped her. This is the story Sansa heard and repeats. The same way we are told the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn to find out in the 4th season that it was a lie. The show has spent no time telling Rhaegar's motives. In the books, there is talk of a prophecy, that the Dragon must have three heads, that Rhaegar has only two children and Elia is in poor health, incapable of giving him the third the prophecy needs. Here again, GRRM portrays how people do irrational things because they believe in something. This is a constant throughout. Rhaegar, Melissandre, Stannis, Cersei and others do terrible or terribly stupid things because of some silly belief. In the show we see two priestesses of the Lord of Light decide that different people are "the chosen one", Melissandre thinks it is Stannis, then Jon Snow while Kinvara in Meereen says it is Daenerys. GRRM lays it very thick: "prophecies are nonsense, manipulation tools, only fools believe in them and it gets them in trouble", but half of his stupid fans want to see one fulfilled one way or another.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 30, 2018 14:07:35 GMT
I am not sure about you but I have yet to know more about her motives and some more background before I conclude that she is a horrible person. I agree I would like to know more about her too before making any judgements on her but just from the recap of her story I just don't like what she did , a single girl getting involved with a married man with children especially at those times and a lot of stuff said about her in the books doesn't fit With what she did there are a lot to the story we don't know , we don't know much about Rhaegar Targaryen either only that he liked music and was a gentle person didnt want to hurt people I just don't get how a kind person like that could turn away from his wife and children maybe ellaria was not a nice person maybe there was a reason , there is a lot we don't know , I started this thread only because of the resemblance Sansa and her aunt have I think they are doing this for a reason on the show .i just hope for sansas sake she has a better ending than her aunt but Sansa more than once has been linked to her aunt she's the only in the crypts lighting her candle talking about her not arya as much as hinted in the books she was more like her. To me, this kind of view doesn't make sense. I don't see how people can read a story that discusses a characters actions and not get a view of that character. Martin and the show both write in order for people to interpret a scene as opposed to waiting for the ending. We don't even know the motives of the main characters entirely at this point and yet we form opinions of them. When we first met Sansa, she was often as hated as Joffrey or Cerce and now she has completely transformed to a fan favorite. Jaime is in a similar situation. I knew from the get go there was more to the story with Lyanna and especially in the book where they can spend 100 pages on her alone if Martin chose, but they literally spelled out Lyanna's story on the TV show. There's not much more to her character beyond the motive. Did she marry Rhaegar for love or did she do it to fulfill prophecy (Which has not been touch on much in the show)? The more she did it for love the more despicable a character she is in comparison to the damage caused.
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