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Post by Marv on Oct 30, 2018 20:30:11 GMT
Lyanna was most likely a romantic...Rhaegar, the more is known about him the more i think he wanted to fullfill some destiny he believe for himself. Kind of like Stannis. We don't really know Lyanna personally but it seems she was a tomboy as a child, became smitten with Rhaegar and snuck away to betroth him. Its a very romeo and juliet-esque tale and just like that story its very romantic but horribly horribly stupid and ultimately ends in tragedy and more heartache than it was worth.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Oct 31, 2018 6:59:05 GMT
To me, this kind of view doesn't make sense. I don't see how people can … … We don't even know the motives of the main characters entirely at this point and yet we form opinions of them. When we first met Sansa, she was often as hated as Joffrey or Cerce and now she has completely transformed to a fan favorite. Jaime is in a similar situation. We know you don't understand shit. We get that. You're not the only dumbfuck to form hasty flawed opinions based on partial impressions or smiling faces, there are millions of you out there. That doesn't make it justified or even excusable.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Oct 31, 2018 7:02:30 GMT
Its a very romeo and juliet-esque tale and just like that story its very romantic but horribly horribly stupid and ultimately ends in tragedy and more heartache than it was worth. GRRM is recycling everything And why not? He's copied Jon Snow and Daenerys from Siegfried and Brünnhilde too. Euron is Odysseus, roaming the world for 20 years, tied to the mast of his ship and trying to get into Circe's good graces.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 1, 2018 17:06:41 GMT
I agree I would like to know more about her too before making any judgements on her but just from the recap of her story I just don't like what she did , a single girl getting involved with a married man with children especially at those times and a lot of stuff said about her in the books doesn't fit With what she did there are a lot to the story we don't know , we don't know much about Rhaegar Targaryen either only that he liked music and was a gentle person didnt want to hurt people I just don't get how a kind person like that could turn away from his wife and children maybe ellaria was not a nice person maybe there was a reason , there is a lot we don't know , I started this thread only because of the resemblance Sansa and her aunt have I think they are doing this for a reason on the show .i just hope for sansas sake she has a better ending than her aunt but Sansa more than once has been linked to her aunt she's the only in the crypts lighting her candle talking about her not arya as much as hinted in the books she was more like her. To me, this kind of view doesn't make sense. I don't see how people can read a story that discusses a characters actions and not get a view of that character. Martin and the show both write in order for people to interpret a scene as opposed to waiting for the ending. We don't even know the motives of the main characters entirely at this point and yet we form opinions of them. When we first met Sansa, she was often as hated as Joffrey or Cerce and now she has completely transformed to a fan favorite. Jaime is in a similar situation. I knew from the get go there was more to the story with Lyanna and especially in the book where they can spend 100 pages on her alone if Martin chose, but they literally spelled out Lyanna's story on the TV show. There's not much more to her character beyond the motive. Did she marry Rhaegar for love or did she do it to fulfill prophecy (Which has not been touch on much in the show)? The more she did it for love the more despicable a character she is in comparison to the damage caused. I never hated Sansa she annoyed me sometimes but I could relate to her at that age I would be head over heels with Joffrey too she didn't know how he was no one told her and I didn't expect a 13 year old to figure this out on her own, Especially in a world adults backstabbing and killing each other I say Sansa up to this point did very well for herself much better than her aunt but Lyanna was an adult I know it's dramatic tragedy when enemies fall in love with two main opposite families members getting involved I guess GRMM did borrow that from Romeo and Juliet but this Union of Lyanna and Rhaeger is less romantic to me because he was married with a family and unless writers explain Lyannas and rhaegers relationship better I will always question some things all they showed us two people kissing and getting married then lyanna giving birth/dying ,I do hope we get more sense of who Lyanna was season 8
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 1, 2018 17:14:55 GMT
I agree I would like to know more about her too before making any judgements on her but just from the recap of her story I just don't like what she did , a single girl getting involved with a married man with children especially at those times and a lot of stuff said about her in the books doesn't fit With what she did there are a lot to the story we don't know , we don't know much about Rhaegar Targaryen either only that he liked music and was a gentle person didnt want to hurt people I just don't get how a kind person like that could turn away from his wife and children maybe ellaria was not a nice person maybe there was a reason , there is a lot we don't know , I started this thread only because of the resemblance Sansa and her aunt have I think they are doing this for a reason on the show .i just hope for sansas sake she has a better ending than her aunt but Sansa more than once has been linked to her aunt she's the only in the crypts lighting her candle talking about her not arya as much as hinted in the books she was more like her. The story is consciously told in a partial, biased way. We first hear that Rhaegar was a bad guy, we are told by the Starks that he abducted and raped her. This is the story Sansa heard and repeats. The same way we are told the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn to find out in the 4th season that it was a lie. The show has spent no time telling Rhaegar's motives. In the books, there is talk of a prophecy, that the Dragon must have three heads, that Rhaegar has only two children and Elia is in poor health, incapable of giving him the third the prophecy needs. Here again, GRRM portrays how people do irrational things because they believe in something. This is a constant throughout. Rhaegar, Melissandre, Stannis, Cersei and others do terrible or terribly stupid things because of some silly belief. In the show we see two priestesses of the Lord of Light decide that different people are "the chosen one", Melissandre thinks it is Stannis, then Jon Snow while Kinvara in Meereen says it is Daenerys. GRRM lays it very thick: "prophecies are nonsense, manipulation tools, only fools believe in them and it gets them in trouble", but half of his stupid fans want to see one fulfilled one way or another. GRMM better very well then not let one of these prophecies come true in his books or show I agree about rheagar Starks say he was a bad person the daenyrys was told Rhaeger wouldn't hurt a fly he was into poems and songs ,maybe Rhaegar did indeed seduce lyanna to fullfill this propehcy stannis believing in melissandre was the stupidest thing he ever he sacrificed his own daughter I believe before this story ends both of those priestesses will talk in someone else to sacrifice themselves.Jon doesn't seem that of a believer even when melissandre came back however Dany was more inetersted in what she had to say and welcome her to dragonstone.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 1, 2018 18:13:00 GMT
GRMM better very well then not let one of these prophecies come true in his books or show … I believe before this story ends both of those priestesses will talk in someone else to sacrifice themselves.Jon doesn't seem that of a believer even when melissandre came back however Dany was more inetersted in what she had to say and welcome her to dragonstone. Prophecies are just fantasies people decide to believe in. Visions, on the other hand, have validity in GRRM's world. We saw Bran foresee the wildfire explosion of the Sept, Melisandre did see herself watching Bolton banners come down in Winterfell. She also told Arya she would "close eyes forever" and that they would meet again. That last bit still has to come true and one of Bran's vision in S4E02 was of a shadow flying over sunny King's Landing.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 9, 2018 20:53:05 GMT
GRMM better very well then not let one of these prophecies come true in his books or show … I believe before this story ends both of those priestesses will talk in someone else to sacrifice themselves.Jon doesn't seem that of a believer even when melissandre came back however Dany was more inetersted in what she had to say and welcome her to dragonstone. Prophecies are just fantasies people decide to believe in. Visions, on the other hand, have validity in GRRM's world. We saw Bran foresee the wildfire explosion of the Sept, Melisandre did see herself watching Bolton banners come down in Winterfell. She also told Arya she would "close eyes forever" and that they would meet again. That last bit still has to come true and one of Bran's vision in S4E02 was of a shadow flying over sunny King's Landing. i remember that - you think thats one of the dragons shadows??
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Nov 9, 2018 22:19:54 GMT
Prophecies are just fantasies people decide to believe in. Visions, on the other hand, have validity in GRRM's world. We saw Bran foresee the wildfire explosion of the Sept, Melisandre did see herself watching Bolton banners come down in Winterfell. She also told Arya she would "close eyes forever" and that they would meet again. That last bit still has to come true and one of Bran's vision in S4E02 was of a shadow flying over sunny King's Landing. i remember that - you think thats one of the dragons shadows?? I cannot think it could be anything else but since it is summer weather, it is either a vision of the past or carelessly portrayed future.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Nov 10, 2018 20:51:05 GMT
i remember that - you think thats one of the dragons shadows?? I cannot think it could be anything else but since it is summer weather, it is either a vision of the past or carelessly portrayed future. wel if its future will suck this means some kind of targaryen restoration ? or maybe just one dragon surviving ...
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